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Is bipolar disorder common with us?

Started by Kristen, December 07, 2008, 10:31:54 PM

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Choose the statement that fits you best.

I have episodes of mania followed by episodes of depression (or vice versa).
11 (30.6%)
I have manic highs!
0 (0%)
I have depressed lows...
14 (38.9%)
I freakin love polls and candy and car rides and......!!!!
5 (13.9%)
I wish I didn't get out of bed this morning. I hate life...
6 (16.7%)

Total Members Voted: 19

Vexing

Quote from: shaniam on December 08, 2008, 04:58:08 PM
At the very least, this poll is incapable of being unbiased, in that you did not include a "Sorry babe, I'm just fine really" response in your answers.

*Ticks notional "I am fine" box*
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Laura Eva B

Quote from: Kristen on December 08, 2008, 05:44:44 PM
It was never my intention to play down the seriousness of bipolar as all fun and games, but for me to come under fire for describing MY OWN mania as it is, fun, seems a little pretentious. My mania has a depressive side and causes me other problems as well but it is not near as serious as some of you describe or assume.

Kristen, is your own bipolar clinically diagnosed or "self diagnosed" ?

If you genuinely suffer from manic depression you should be on meds which can control it pretty well, least the manic episodes which get so many bi-polars sectioned  (is that a US term too ? ... means locked into a psychiatric establishment) every year or so ...

My mom's next door neighbour was bipolar ... gassed himself in the family car in a down period.

My first boss was both bipolar and paranoid, it had wrecked his career and marriage, people made fun of him recalling episodes when he'd lighted a cigarette and peeled a banana in the semiconductor fabrication clean room, traded his mini for a 4.2 litre 12 cylinder Jaguar, but it was a tragic story ...

Just saying we might self diagnose, I feel borderline depressive to the point I "lose days" but my GP has denied help other than therapy as I "function", but if you are really suffering from these conditions they wreck your life, your job, your relationships ... its not something you speculate about lightheartedly.

Laura x
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Candygirl

Try being bi-polar and dyslexic. Some gift to be given. Many times as a kid, you don't know what end is up. As an adult, once your under control, you still have times where your in the twilight zone. I still have times where I am zoned out of reality, and some place else. Certain sounds and smells trigger it. Never slap or shake someone who is having an episode.
I was under constant watch as a little kid. And was supervised as a adolescent. I wasn't manic. But was a mess none the less. I was diagnosed when I was around seven. It has affected my later adult life in some ways still. You never fully out grow it.
CG/Rene'
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Laura Eva B

I thought bipolar happens in adulthood ... never heard of a bipolar child ?

"Sounds and smells" triggering symptoms ... guess you're self diagnosing an imagined condition ...

If you're really bipolar you're going to have periods sectioned into a psychiatric hospital until they calm you down with meds !

Laura x
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taru

Seems like people fail to differentiate between hypomania and full-blown mania.

Mania is *not* fun, unless you count being psychotic and wrecking your life fun.
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Janet_Girl

Kristen,

Late to the party as usual.  I am reading and responding to your poll in the interest of conversation.  But I would have voted I don't have bipolar.  Yes I can get 'on a high' and 'crash on a low',  but a lot of people do that without be bipolar.

Sometimes the people on the forum, including myself, can go off on a tangent, because they feel particularly close to the topic.  Just remember they care and are expressing their opinion because they are passionate about the topic.

My ex has bipolar, or manic depression as she is diagnosed by the SSA pysics.  And it wasn't and isn't fun, when she is on a low.  But I do not think that bipolar is part of GID, however it can be a contributing factor.

Janet

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MarySue

Quote from: Laura Eva B on December 10, 2008, 01:38:09 AM
I thought bipolar happens in adulthood ... never heard of a bipolar child ?

Laura x

Bipolar disease usually shows up in the late teens or early 20s. However, that may just be because the diagnostic tests don't work for kids. There's no blood test (as far as I know). It's normally diagnosed by symptoms: eg, repeated manic episodes that have caused significant problems in your life, like overspending, sexual promiscuity, etc. It's difficult for an 8 year old to do that.
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shaniam

Quote from: Laura Eva B on December 09, 2008, 10:50:13 PM

Kristen, is your own bipolar clinically diagnosed or "self diagnosed" ?


But isn't pretending to be bipolar because you have a 'manic personality' just a lot more fun?

:D
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tekla


But isn't pretending to be bipolar because you have a 'manic personality' just a lot more fun?


No, being manic is fun.  I encourage everyone to reach that limit in themselves and keep on pushing to find out just what it really is.  The difference is, I don't come down by being depressed for an equal amount of time, a couple days of good solid sleep with some desert naps is good enough.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Kristen

Quote from: shaniam on December 10, 2008, 12:00:30 PM
Quote from: Laura Eva B on December 09, 2008, 10:50:13 PM

Kristen, is your own bipolar clinically diagnosed or "self diagnosed" ?


But isn't pretending to be bipolar because you have a 'manic personality' just a lot more fun?

:D

It sure beats being a bully and making oneself look like a disrespectful fool on an internet forum.

:icon_chillpill:
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taru

So you want a thread for people with non-diagnosed bipolar that is so mild that it doesn't cause very major problems or need medication?

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Aiden

I was diagnosed with bipolar when I was 12, never agreed with it.  I've seen people bipolar.  I do not get the manic episodes.  I get mildy depressed and hiding it behind cheerfullness and really really down depressed where wish everything could just end.
Every day we pass people, do we see them or the mask they wear?
If you live under a mask long enough, does it eventually break or wear down?  Does it become part you?  Maybe alone, they are truly themselves?  Or maybe they have forgotten or buried themselves so long, they forget they are not a mask?
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Jamie-o

Quote from: Laura Eva B on December 10, 2008, 01:38:09 AM
I thought bipolar happens in adulthood ... never heard of a bipolar child ?

Laura x

From what I've read - and I am not an expert - some kids do have bi-polar disorder, but it tends to affect them differently than adults, and the mood swings are often much shorter.  (Swinging from hyperactivity, to crying jags, to outbursts of anger in a very short period of time.)  I know there's at least one book on the subject, though I don't know what the author's credentials were.
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Aiden

Dono, they have been reconsidering the diagnoses because they haven't seen much to confirm me as being bipolar either one
Every day we pass people, do we see them or the mask they wear?
If you live under a mask long enough, does it eventually break or wear down?  Does it become part you?  Maybe alone, they are truly themselves?  Or maybe they have forgotten or buried themselves so long, they forget they are not a mask?
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Candygirl

#57
Quote from: Laura Eva B on December 10, 2008, 01:38:09 AM
I thought bipolar happens in adulthood ... never heard of a bipolar child ?

"Sounds and smells" triggering symptoms ... guess you're self diagnosing an imagined condition ...

If you're really bipolar you're going to have periods sectioned into a psychiatric hospital until they calm you down with meds !

Laura x

Let's second guess what the poster reveals, because your so up on us all....

I haven't self diagnosed.
It was thought that I may have been mildly to moderately retarded as a child in grade school, for I had horrible learning disabilities.
The school suggested to my parents that I be taken out of that school, and send to a place for the retarded. My folks were incensed.
I was taken to a child psychologist, who specialized in child development and learning disabilities. Number one was I needed glasses. Number two, I was dyslexic. Number three, I wasn't autistic as first suspected, but considered to be a Fey Child. It actually turned out to be ADHD.   I danced in out and out of reality, and had sessions where I was hard to reach. I was put on mild mood altering drugs for a while, to control my whispering, giggling and laughing, and talking to imaginary friends. I also had dizziness or fainting spells. I vomited a lot. I was so frail, that I had to wear a special helmet to protect my head, when I just blacked out, and hit the floor. I was a twirler, a skipper, flapped my arms, and I liked to sing nonsense songs.
My school accommodated me from 2nd to 6th grade, with specialized teachers to help me learn. I was watched,controlled,and on most occasions separated from the main student body.(like at recess) I wasn't in an inner city public school, but a rural school. They had different standards there.
I was given numerous tests as the years progressed, and sent to our States major University where cases like mine were being studied. By the time I was 11 and 12, I started having my first horrible migraine headaches. By the time 13,14,15  came,(Puberty) I was having terrifying panic attacks and violent outbursts of rage and then depression. My parents had me put in an institution for one half a summer at 14 were I was sedated. Interestingly; many thought I was a girl. I told them I was too...When my parents were aware of this, they clarified the facts. The staff was confused. There was talk of my having a split personality.
By the time I was 16, I was leveling off, with chemical help, and most of the weirdness was subsiding.  Except for the girlishness and withdrawal sessions. I came out to my mom at 17. All I said was, I wanted to be a girl, and I hated being a boy. She told me that was nice,but, I was a boy, and had to grow up. I refused to adhere. Which caused huge problems. For me, and for them. My mother found a dress and a pair of panties I had taken from a cousin my same age. Here I was, just 17, and forcing the issue. My dad was really angry.
He told my mother I was just nuts! He called me a queer to my face. My parents had a violent argument following that.
I had a chance to go to California when I was 18, and to live with family friends. They set me up, in a modest apartment that was above their garage, and had it's own balcony with entry... I went to art school out there. It was a chance for me to try to live on my own, sort of, and be in a more tolerant area than where I was from.  It turned into a nearly life ending disaster. I ended up with stainless steel pins, screws and wire holding parts of me together. I had to have my skull wired together, and then plastic surgery later to reshape the damage. I lost parts of my intestines and bladder. I lost a tooth, and had to have all of my front teeth reset. My pelvic bone is nothing but plastic and steel screws. When your beaten furiously with fists, stomped, and hit with blunt somethings countless times, plus stabbed and slashed, along with having been raped, you die. If your lucky,you can be saved. I was.  Three months in the hospital, over 500 sutures, and nearly a year to recover. Lots of mental therapy just to help you recover from that alone.  After that pain has passed, you get to endure followup plastic surgeries. Talk about major sessions of depression!
I was finally diagnosed as Bi-polar when I was 30. Which helped explain many things about my past. I still have vertigo on occasion, and faint without warning. The smell of blood and sudden sparklers in my eyes, are about a 2 min. warning I am going to go unconscious..  I very rarely drive by myself. I have a restricted license. I wear a medical alert bracelet.
I have been on Ritalin, Paxil, Zoloft, and Serzone. Today, I rely on a combination of Wellbutrin and Desyrel.  If I go off them, I will crash and end up in the hospital.  I have spent parts of my life numbed and incoherent as a kid. Numbed and incoherent as an adult. Other times, just totally out of it.  I'm still dyslexic, along with a severely damaged left eye optic nerve.  All this, and yet I still knew who I was inside....amazing. The fact that I could go through with SRS, was even more of a miracle.

Before you second guess what anyone has been through, it may help if you knew the facts!

As I have posted else where, we all have our histories, paths, experiences. Life isn't a Walmart fitting, where one size fits all.

You may wonder how it is , that I am able to write and to be coherent today. The answer is; Lots of love, physical therapy, mental therapy, legal assistance, retraining, re-schooling, State grants, and Art Scholarships. Endless hours listening to audio tapes, learning how to speak again. Reading the dictionary like a bible. Writing courses, and having a college prof nearly adopt you, mentoring you,in order for you to figure it out. Having physicians and psychiatrists who deeply care about your physical and mental well being. Group therapy.
A family who really loves you, after all the trails you put them though. And finally, a husband who not only knows of your past problems, and the current idiosyncrasies, but loves you for who you are, and allows you to be you. I still slur some of my words, and miss-speak often. I never quit trying. I can't quit. Life won't let me.

This has turned out to be way more info than I wanted to reveal.

CG


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Kristen

#58
Thank you for sharing CG. I know all of that must have been a hard time for you, and revealing it may be difficult but, talking about it is beneficial for others and yourself.

It seems like people who had similar difficulties during childhood turned out to be some of the most heartfelt and mature adults I know.

You are a survivor.
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Eva Marie

Wow. Just wow.

I agree with kristen, thanks for sharing candygirl <<hugs>>
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