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Is the presence of something more disturbing than the lack of something?

Started by Nero, August 27, 2009, 02:43:10 PM

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Nero

hey guys and dolls,

Is the presence of something more disturbing than the lack of something?
Are external parts more troubling than internal parts?
Dysphorically speaking, I mean.

Basically - is the presence of a penis (on a girl) more disturbing than lack of a vagina? Or lack of breasts?

Are breasts (on guys) more disturbing than lack of a penis?

Are the presence of breasts (something external that is very visible and moves) more disturbing than the presence of a vagina (something internal and largely invisible)?

Your thoughts - personal or philosophical.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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sneakersjay

My opinion: the presence of the wrong parts was worse than now the absence of the correct part.

My internal parts caused me more grief monthly than any other thing, followed by the lumps.

Lack of a penis is a problem, but since the rest of me is now correct, I find that easier to deal with.  Will I fix it?  Likely.  But I can wait for that.


Jay


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DawnL

I know the answer to this one, for me anyway.

The presence of that thing was far more disturbing than the thought that I did not have a vagina then.  My feeling was I had to get rid of that thing first and foremost and if I ended up with a vagina, that was a bonus.  Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy that I have a vagina but if I had to, I could have lived without it.  I couldn't have lived the other way.
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Flan

I feel like bucking the trend  :P
While I really don't like my OEM equipment (cough, penis) what is really making me crazy are the poison factories under it. (especially during the better part of this week when I have to thank a deity for my anti-depressant if you catch my drift)

While this could be called an issue with external parts, I have to play devils advocate for the FtM peeps who have the opposite problem with internal parts and call it as an issue with the gonads that produce hormones over the other parts.
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Autumn

Lack of, for me.

Lack of breasts, curves (in the face, chest, hips, etc.)

I don't have to see my penis all the time, and most people don't see it anyway. I can find some uses for it with the right people.

My lack of shapeliness is obvious to everyone at all times, and myself any time I pass a mirror.
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GamerJames

Good timing for this thread, just last night I had a bit of a dysphoric moment when I was getting ready for bed. I was deciding whether to wear my soft packer to sleep (which I have done since I got it), and I felt kind of ridiculous for "needing" a piece of plastic in my pants just to feel comfortable. I got down on myself like "it's not real anyways" and crap like that, but while still feeling like "but I want to have it there all the time", and thus feeling ashamed and guilty that I needed some fake, security-blanket-like thing. Long story short, my partner was very reassuring and helped me to see that it's not "real" in the sense of flesh and blood, but it's not fake either. What it's symbolic of, or a "placeholder" for, is real to me - and will be real flesh and blood someday, and that's what counts in the long run.

It seems that whether I was aware of it or not, the lack of a penis is more disturbing to me than the presence of that "gaping maw" ever was (although, obviously, I'm not a fan of "it" either...). With the parts I biologically have, I know that my "clit" is my penis, my "vulva" is my scrotum, etc., and so even without the packer I can "rename" things and not be as bothered by the presence of what's physically there, but it still doesn't add up to the *rightness* of having something more substantial there that feels like what I *should* have. And now that I'm used to having the packer there, it feels that much more *wrong* when it isn't there...

As for bleeding every month, it is my biggest area of dysphoria of all. Not only does it grab me and shake me and scream in my face "see! female body!", but the flood of estrogen pretty near destroys my self worth and pushes me right back into that female persona that I'd affected for so long in order to be accepted, and now have finally shed - for three weeks a month at least. It also robs me of using my packer and/or STP (because I can't use tampons), and it's impossible for me to mentally reassure myself of my male identity when all of my coping tools have been taken away, and all of these physical feminine traits are thrown in my face. It's the worst week of every month. It always was, even before I realized why, but now it seems worse because I had climbed out of my cave of despair, and this puts me right back down there every time.
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Miniar




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DawnL

Very interesting to see both sides of this issue represented here.  Certainly hormones play a huge role in this and my SRS was liberating for both reasons.  The demise of that thing and the demise of the "poison factories" as so aptly expressed above.  T made me crazy just the way E makes some of you crazy.
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sneakersjay

Quote from: NES_junkie_James on August 27, 2009, 03:37:59 PM
Good timing for this thread, just last night I had a bit of a dysphoric moment when I was getting ready for bed. I was deciding whether to wear my soft packer to sleep (which I have done since I got it), and I felt kind of ridiculous for "needing" a piece of plastic in my pants just to feel comfortable. I got down on myself like "it's not real anyways" and crap like that, but while still feeling like "but I want to have it there all the time", and thus feeling ashamed and guilty that I needed some fake, security-blanket-like thing.

This sounds so stupid, but when I first realized I was trans, and another guy told me they made soft packers, I just about cried.  And when I got it, it was the most amazing thing ever.  Who knew a $12 rubber penis and balls could be so life-altering?

Yes, it's a placeholder.  But for now it feels real in terms of softness and warmth and texture, and I can stand to pee with it.  Makes a huge difference in how I see myself.


Jay


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GamerJames

Quote from: sneakersjay on August 27, 2009, 04:19:14 PM
This sounds so stupid, but when I first realized I was trans, and another guy told me they made soft packers, I just about cried.  And when I got it, it was the most amazing thing ever.  Who knew a $12 rubber penis and balls could be so life-altering?

Yes, it's a placeholder.  But for now it feels real in terms of softness and warmth and texture, and I can stand to pee with it.  Makes a huge difference in how I see myself.


Jay

Exactly!! Before I had it, I was like "meh, I'm fine, I don't need it" and now it's just like "how did I ever live without this?". It just feels so "natural" (which I know, in this case is a funny word to use), and I don't like being without it now. I'd rather take off my arms and walk around without them.

I waited a couple of months before I got one because I didn't think it would be such a big deal, and also money is really tight for me. But to tell you the truth that $12 was worth more than any other $12 item I've ever purchased in my life.

I still feel a little self-conscious about sleeping with it though... Does anyone else here do that too? Or am I the only "baby" who needs his "pacifier"? Ugh, I'm really conflicted, I am trying to be strong throughout all this transition stuff, and just take it all as it comes, but this has thrown me for a head-loop.
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sneakersjay

James, I wear it 24/7.

I even wore it to top surgery (and there is a funny story about that somewhere).  The only time I've been without it was for my hysto, and only because I wasn't out to them.  And I left it home in case someone had to go through my belongings.  Other than that, it's always with me.


Jay


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Nero

Quote from: NES_junkie_James on August 27, 2009, 04:31:18 PM
Exactly!! Before I had it, I was like "meh, I'm fine, I don't need it" and now it's just like "how did I ever live without this?". It just feels so "natural" (which I know, in this case is a funny word to use), and I don't like being without it now. I'd rather take off my arms and walk around without them.

I waited a couple of months before I got one because I didn't think it would be such a big deal, and also money is really tight for me. But to tell you the truth that $12 was worth more than any other $12 item I've ever purchased in my life.

I still feel a little self-conscious about sleeping with it though... Does anyone else here do that too? Or am I the only "baby" who needs his "pacifier"? Ugh, I'm really conflicted, I am trying to be strong throughout all this transition stuff, and just take it all as it comes, but this has thrown me for a head-loop.

I don't pack, but I think anything that helps ease the dysphoria even a little bit is a good thing. Sometimes we need some mental gymnastics to stay strong through all this. If the body map thing holds any truth, than anything to simulate the feel or look of congruence could possibly ease the dissonance.
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Miniar

I take mine off for physical therapy... and put it in my bag cause I can't imagine leaving house without it anymore..



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V M

I'd have to say both to some degree for me. But since I've started to develop some nice lil' boobies now I'll go with the annoying dangler as being more disturbing to me
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FairyGirl

for some things it seems to be like seeing the glass half empty or half full. I detest having "it" down there but I see the light at the end of the tunnel because I know "its" days are numbered. I hated having male hormones, I hate having facial hair oh god how I hate that.

But I also hated not having breasts, not having feminine features, not having a regular female body with the correct equipment, and not having acceptance as my true gender. I'm working on all those things- hormones are doing their magic, I'll have the correct equipment before too much longer, and I am finding more and more acceptance, or at least finding no one notices or cares. All we can do is work our hardest on changing those things we don't like, whether we are adding or subtracting them. If I want to continue even living, and I do, then that has to be enough for now.
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K8

Although I was being poisoned with testosterone, mainly I didn't like having a package (as it is called in the gay world).  I had visions of taking bolt cutters to the whole thing but figured I'd bleed to death, and what's the point of that?  I was particularly unhappy when the little head was doing the thinking for the big head.  Sure, it was the hormones, but the visible monster made its presence known against my will.

I would have liked to have the curves, but could add prosthetic breasts and that satisfied me.  In later years I always slept in a bra with breast forms, so I'm with you there James and Jay.  (I don't sleep with them anymore because I wear the forms all day and, besides, I'm starting to grow my own breasts, babies that they are. :))

Having a vagina was never important to me, although I'm waiting for one now – partly to change my gender markers, partly to get rid of the bulge so my pants fit properly, and partly because it's part of becoming as much of a woman as I can be.  I don't know how I'll feel when that mess is gone other than deep relief.

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Janet_Girl

I have detested that 'thing' and the 'twins' most of my adult life.  And now I am tucked almost all of the time.  I wish I could just cut it off, but I realize that it will become donor tissue for my vagina.

Curves, hips, butt even breasts can be artificially created.   Makeup can alter ones look.  The only thing that has to be constructed it my true genitalia.

The poison has been slowed and my true hormones now course thru my body.  Mind is at peace, body is changing slowly.


Janet
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Suzy

Well I have to say that I resort to mental gymnastics sometimes to make it through.  Like Autumn, at least I don't have to see it too often.  And when I do I just think of it as donor material.
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