Okay.. So, unlike the majority of the world, I barely get onto my Facebook.. Like maybe ONCE A MONTH but just to check up on the family and a few dear friends or maybe nab a pic or two of me for wonderful places like this :). However this time I forgot my stupid password!! I know what you're thinking.. Simple right? Just click "forgot password".. NOPE. I forgot that when I changed my gmail I didn't update it on FB (OOPS). So I fill out all the security things, jumped through all the hoops, just to get an email from The Facebook Team saying my account is being locked until I give them a picture of my I.D., again, this wouldn't normally be a problem (that's if you're cisgendered). So because my legal name is Jacob and my name on FB is Serenity they have decided to block me from my own page! I tried explaining that I'm going through my transition, and that I have yet to legally change my name, I gave them my birthday, my mothers name, my sisters name, my fathers name, and my fiancees name. I've sent them 7 pictures, three of which aren't even on my Facebook and one was my license! (I look exactly the same seeing as I was long haired at the time of the picture) (see pics below). I honestly don't know what else I can do. And according to my sister in law i'm not the first trans person that they've kicked bc of identity issues. Has this happened to any of you guys/gals? What are your thoughts on this? Are our Facebooks not physical (in a way) and Intellectual property? There are things I can NEVER replace on there. How in the world can they do this??? I mean the guy I've been emailing doesn't care and SERIOUSLY isn't listening. Do I need to give a blood sample? retinal scan? finger print?? GAHHHHHH!!!!!
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I don't use Facebook, so I can't offer any real help, but is there not someone else you could contact there other than the guy you've been talking to? How about getting a family member to contact them?
That is an idea!!... Thanks Sunderland :)
I think you misunderstand the nature of the relationship you have with Facebook. You basically have no rights. You'd have signed that all away when you signed up, and what little you didn't you can't afford to fight for anyway. The purpose of you being on Facebook is so that they can sell you to advertisers, and they can make more money doing that if they know who you are. It's not cost effective for them to have better support, so they don't. If you don't like it, its not Facebook's problem.
Its the same with all these types of sites including google, its how they make their money. I'm not saying its right or wrong, I think its just best to understand.
Can you revive your old gmail account?
Quote from: AnonyMs on March 01, 2015, 10:48:55 PM
I think you misunderstand the nature of the relationship you have with Facebook. You basically have no rights. You'd have signed that all away when you signed up, and what little you didn't you can't afford to fight for anyway. The purpose of you being on Facebook is so that they can sell you to advertisers, and they can make more money doing that if they know who you are. It's not cost effective for them to have better support, so they don't. If you don't like it, its not Facebook's problem.
Its the same with all these types of sites including google, its how they make their money. I'm not saying its right or wrong, I think its just best to understand.
Oh no I understand hun. But I refuse to not be heard. Sorry just in my nature. Ppl like you might just go oh well, who am I to try to change it? But ppl like me FIGHT for whats right. I get why they have stepped up the security for accounts, thats great! I get that they make money off of us, good for them! I get that they dont give two S***S about us, but nor do we them! But im an innocent honest person and i've provided evidence of that. My gender identity shouldn't merit them denying my access to whats mine (yes its their site i get that). I've jumped through their hoops and if I don't get a friggin' biscuit i'm gonna rip up the sofa!!! Those are my pictures, my words, practically the story of my life! (well since I joined in 2008) And just bc one dude says no-go doesn't mean there is no other way! I respect your blunt input but I cannot appreciate your all-is-doomed attitude love! I think its just best you understand. XOXO
Quote from: jessical on March 01, 2015, 11:01:30 PM
Can you revive your old gmail account?
YOURE A GENIUS JESS!!! I got so heated I didnt even think of that!!!SMH.. How long from deactivation is this still possible? Its been like four months since I changed my email.. Lemme give it a go anyway.
Quote from: jessical on March 01, 2015, 11:01:30 PM
Can you revive your old gmail account?
Its been too long :( Thanks anyway though I really appreciate it!! I guess that window is relatively small.. Im gonna see about having my fiancee contact The Facebook team, as well as my sister. Maybe that will work :) I also plan to call (thats if theres a number). Probably gonna have to deal with alot of communicative issues due to their call center most likely being out of the U.S. but whatever it takes!! IM NOT GIVING UP. :D I really wonder if theres more trans ppl affected by this. If so then I feel like something should be started to help us all. And I will gladly storm those gates. They mess with Serenity, they get my rage. But im not a fighter. I use my wits to win like any smart girl should ;)
Haha! I like your tenacity. :)
Quote from: Sunderland on March 01, 2015, 11:43:46 PM
Haha! I like your tenacity. :)
Thank you Sunderland. I have the grip of a Kaiju when I am passionate enough about something! Hell I began dressing FULL TIME AT 13!! (Mind you i grew up in rural northern missouri) The harrasment and abuse i faced everyday wasn't for me, it was for all of us in a way. what really got the ball rolling was me wearing the most gorgeous dress to homecoming (despite warnings from my principle) (she called my dad) HA! And soon enough the gays started shining one by one!! :D I hate to say I paved that path for them and I, but i did drop kick the door down .. :) I fought with every teacher and any administrator in my way until they all fell like dominoes.
Wow, that's awesome! I didn't have anywhere near that level of courage to express my true gender when I was that young. I was too scared to even dress up in private. I was in total denial about how I felt.
I bet you looked beautiful in your dress. :)
It's a bit of a long shot, but you if the old gmail account has expired, you might be able to open a new one that has the same email address as the old one.
They blocked me from using the name I had been using for a couple of years and panicked me into using my birth name which spawned concerned pms from my friends that I had changed my mind so to speak. I tried to change it but 60 days must elapse and I'm not convinced that will go easily. Hate them.
I think this is completely poppycock, but I've come to reply completely off track and say, Serenity, damn, your licence photo is hot af. Can you teach us all how to take delicious licence photos please?
Quote from: serenityfaith on March 01, 2015, 11:14:51 PM
Oh no I understand hun. But I refuse to not be heard. Sorry just in my nature. Ppl like you might just go oh well, who am I to try to change it? But ppl like me FIGHT for whats right. I get why they have stepped up the security for accounts, thats great! I get that they make money off of us, good for them! I get that they dont give two S***S about us, but nor do we them! But im an innocent honest person and i've provided evidence of that. My gender identity shouldn't merit them denying my access to whats mine (yes its their site i get that). I've jumped through their hoops and if I don't get a friggin' biscuit i'm gonna rip up the sofa!!! Those are my pictures, my words, practically the story of my life! (well since I joined in 2008) And just bc one dude says no-go doesn't mean there is no other way! I respect your blunt input but I cannot appreciate your all-is-doomed attitude love! I think its just best you understand. XOXO
I refuse to use Facebook, but I do use LinkedIn which is much the same in principal. The difference is that I need LinkedIn for work and have no real use for Facebook - its not my kind of thing. Makes the decision easy I suppose.
I don't think many people realize what they are trading when the uses these services, although the cynic in me says that it wouldn't make any difference. I'm happy to hear you do know, it was comments about Intellectual Property and irreplaceable things that had me thinking otherwise. I have a tendency to get seriously annoyed about companies taking advantage of people like this. It kind of sets me off, and and I need far less of that in my life. I've got too many problems already. I generally keep my distance from them unless they have something I really need.
I did want to use Facebook once it get some info on some trans issues but they required an ID check, and I'm keeping my trans status hidden. There's no way I'm going to disclose it and my real identity to Facebook, and no way I can fight it since I'd lose the very thing I'm fighting for. Also, its kind of hopeless fighting companies like that. People win occasionally, but I seriously need less stress in my life. Those that fight the good fight though are helping the rest of us who won't. Not sure how I feel about that really.
As to doom and gloom, I think that what all of these companies are doing is exceptionally dangerous to our way of life. Democracy's not been around that long, and I can see it not lasting too much longer. The information and power these companies are accumulating would be very dangerous in the wrong hands, and historically there's never been any shortage of people wanting power over others. I'm feeling gloomy tonight - I probably shouldn't have commented here in the first place.
Super annoying. There was a guy in one of the FTM groups I'm a part of on there who had the same thing happen about a month ago (or a little longer). I think he just recently got it sorted out.
Facebook makes people show ID, yet I get posts from God and Santa Claus, go figure.
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on March 02, 2015, 06:49:42 AM
Facebook makes people show ID, yet I get posts from God and Santa Claus, go figure.
Santa Claus? What are you trying to say here?
The most radical, rebellious thing you can do in this situation, is to just walk away from Facebook.
Quote from: Sunderland on March 02, 2015, 12:00:09 AM
Wow, that's awesome! I didn't have anywhere near that level of courage to express my true gender when I was that young. I was too scared to even dress up in private. I was in total denial about how I felt.
I bet you looked beautiful in your dress. :)
Aww thanks! And well im so glad youve found that inner strength!!! as far as looking good, I think I did, this one guy (that i had known since childhood) walked up to me and said "dont tell anyone but you look better than my date"! I felt incredible and invincible that night. Despite the haters. And I was scared all the time but I would be damned if I let them see that. I had been trying to prove I wasn't afraid for years, why back down then? or as my little sister would say "dont get scared now!" lol
Quote from: jessical on March 02, 2015, 12:54:51 AM
It's a bit of a long shot, but you if the old gmail account has expired, you might be able to open a new one that has the same email address as the old one.
Hmm.. Thats an idea..!
Quote from: pollypagan on March 02, 2015, 02:49:36 AM
They blocked me from using the name I had been using for a couple of years and panicked me into using my birth name which spawned concerned pms from my friends that I had changed my mind so to speak. I tried to change it but 60 days must elapse and I'm not convinced that will go easily. Hate them.
I totally agree! This real name thing is just so rediculously embarassing, Since i sent them a pic of my license last night, today they decided to let me have access (which was just changing my password) but the next page wasnt my facebook but instead a file uploader (for another copy of my ID) and three fields for my first middle and last name. So I gave them my id again, but instead of jacob shields I put Serenity, Theyre now reviewing it. I have a feeling im gonna be denied the ability to use my name. I REFUSE to use my dead name anymore. NOT AN OPTION.
Quote from: Tripdistrans on March 02, 2015, 03:09:47 AM
I think this is completely poppycock, but I've come to reply completely off track and say, Serenity, damn, your licence photo is hot af. Can you teach us all how to take delicious licence photos please?
Hahahaha! youre too sweet trip! I was totally friggin hungover in that picture! and right before taking it I told the lady I felt like I looked like what comes out of a mastiff after a bag of gravy train!! LMAO I just got lucky with that pic I reckon!! :)
Quote from: AnonyMs on March 02, 2015, 04:49:06 AM
I refuse to use Facebook, but I do use LinkedIn which is much the same in principal. The difference is that I need LinkedIn for work and have no real use for Facebook - its not my kind of thing. Makes the decision easy I suppose.
I don't think many people realize what they are trading when the uses these services, although the cynic in me says that it wouldn't make any difference. I'm happy to hear you do know, it was comments about Intellectual Property and irreplaceable things that had me thinking otherwise. I have a tendency to get seriously annoyed about companies taking advantage of people like this. It kind of sets me off, and and I need far less of that in my life. I've got too many problems already. I generally keep my distance from them unless they have something I really need.
I did want to use Facebook once it get some info on some trans issues but they required an ID check, and I'm keeping my trans status hidden. There's no way I'm going to disclose it and my real identity to Facebook, and no way I can fight it since I'd lose the very thing I'm fighting for. Also, its kind of hopeless fighting companies like that. People win occasionally, but I seriously need less stress in my life. Those that fight the good fight though are helping the rest of us who won't. Not sure how I feel about that really.
As to doom and gloom, I think that what all of these companies are doing is exceptionally dangerous to our way of life. Democracy's not been around that long, and I can see it not lasting too much longer. The information and power these companies are accumulating would be very dangerous in the wrong hands, and historically there's never been any shortage of people wanting power over others. I'm feeling gloomy tonight - I probably shouldn't have commented here in the first place.
Hey now, all views and opinions are 100% welcome!! :) Im sorry if I came across a little rough.. Im just passionate about this and I cannot just roll over and be contempt. I know fighting this may be a lost cause, but maybe not!! I know where youre coming from, I have a lot of stress in my life as well, but if doing this gives me more then I will gladly take that weight, as I find it to be beyond worth it. I've spent the last 7 years of my life breaking down barriers and disarming prejudice, and this is the biggest battle yet. It feels like its my calling...
Quote from: ftmax on March 02, 2015, 04:53:00 AM
Super annoying. There was a guy in one of the FTM groups I'm a part of on there who had the same thing happen about a month ago (or a little longer). I think he just recently got it sorted out.
Do you happen to know what he did to get their approval?
Quote from: MugwortPsychonaut on March 02, 2015, 08:34:40 AM
The most radical, rebellious thing you can do in this situation, is to just walk away from Facebook.
Im thinking about it. We really need a revolution though. And I think that this facebook thing could be the shot heard around the world. Maybe im overthinking it, maybe im giving it too much credit, but maybe im not..
---a side note, Serenity, I love your choice of ticker.
On topic, I am not a fan of facebook, I have no images and few words. I think I use it as a calendar and way to find the friendly people or family I have a hard time contacting any other way.
Quote from: Devlyn Marie on March 02, 2015, 06:49:42 AM
Facebook makes people show ID, yet I get posts from God and Santa Claus, go figure.
Wouldn't you know!... But OF COURSE santa and god are good to go!! cisgendered white privilege figures.. ughhhh! lmao jk jk
I'm not so sure that everyone shows ID, look what happened to Cindy.
Quote from: LordKAT on March 02, 2015, 02:13:53 PM
I'm not so sure that everyone shows ID, look what happened to Cindy.
Forgive me, who is Cindy? What happened?
Quote from: serenityfaith on March 02, 2015, 02:15:28 PM
Forgive me, who is Cindy? What happened?
Are we talking about Pollypagan? (Im unaware of first names as im relatively new still)
I'm sorry for the reference. Cindy's past name made a fake facebook account. How could they have shown ID? I know I never did nor do I have my legal name on there.
Quote from: LordKAT on March 02, 2015, 02:19:58 PM
I'm sorry for the reference. Cindy's past name made a fake facebook account. How could they have shown ID? I know I never did nor do I have my legal name on there.
Right? Not interested in that at all!! Suprisingly they seemed to accept my dead name I.D. but they keep referring to me as jacob. Not Serenity like they should seeing as thats the account in question... They really need to rethink this policy and method of operation. BC im poking holes in it left and right.
I sometimes think it is more of a transgender irritation than it is an ID plan.
Quote from: LordKAT on March 02, 2015, 02:27:54 PM
I sometimes think it is more of a transgender irritation than it is an ID plan.
I second that. Totally going out of their way to discriminate, while hiding behind policy and law. how cute.. That and/or its for government reference, cataloging if you will..
I don't think it is government related no matter how much they may say it is. Anonymity on the internet has always been an illusion if you know how to look.
Quote from: LordKAT on March 02, 2015, 02:59:50 PM
I don't think it is government related no matter how much they may say it is. Anonymity on the internet has always been an illusion if you know how to look.
This is very true.
If it means anything, facebook, like many other major websites, are attacked 24/7 by hackers, phishers, and account thefts. Everyone is right saying you pretty much have no rights on that site, outside of any financial transactions, but you are visiting someone else s "property". You might have to make a new account, but I hope your efforts workout for you.
PS: Love your profile pic ;)
Let them try me. I came out on my male account as trans and switched over - made it public that Julia was my new name, though not my legal name. I will take Zuckerberg himself to court for discrimination if this happens to me.
Quote from: StrykerXIII on March 02, 2015, 09:32:59 PM
Let them try me. I came out on my male account as trans and switched over - made it public that Julia was my new name, though not my legal name. I will take Zuckerberg himself to court for discrimination if this happens to me.
I hope you don't go through this too love. I did the same thing, I changed my name to Serenity from jake, I'm thinking about taking this to court but it is a bit overwhelming to consider... Though I know i'm not even close to alone on this B.S.! Is there a # for this?? Its absurd...
Quote from: YoungZep on March 02, 2015, 09:14:15 PM
If it means anything, facebook, like many other major websites, are attacked 24/7 by hackers, phishers, and account thefts. Everyone is right saying you pretty much have no rights on that site, outside of any financial transactions, but you are visiting someone else s "property". You might have to make a new account, but I hope your efforts workout for you.
PS: Love your profile pic ;)
Why thank you YoungZep!! :D I hope this can work out for all of us affected. I'm still fighting for it. And I dont see an end near! But fear not, I will not give up!
"Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned," - William Congreve (The Mourning Bride 1697)
Anyone else seen this?? I see Facebook has been at this for quite some time!!
http://msmagazine.com/blog/2014/10/08/hello-my-name-is-facebook-policy-disrupts-transgender-identities/comment-page-1/#comment-440819
Quote from: serenityfaith on March 02, 2015, 02:01:53 PM
Hey now, all views and opinions are 100% welcome!! :) Im sorry if I came across a little rough.. Im just passionate about this and I cannot just roll over and be contempt. I know fighting this may be a lost cause, but maybe not!! I know where youre coming from, I have a lot of stress in my life as well, but if doing this gives me more then I will gladly take that weight, as I find it to be beyond worth it. I've spent the last 7 years of my life breaking down barriers and disarming prejudice, and this is the biggest battle yet. It feels like its my calling...
I deserved your response and I should have worded it more thoughtfully. In some ways its a little thing, but it has me worried about my mental state. I'm normally very careful what I say here, and I like my identity I choose to show only part of myself. Its not fake, but it is incomplete. I was having a bad day yesterday, only I didn't realize just how bad. Bad enough to slip anyway, and that's worrisome. This is nothing to do with your response, which was perfectly reasonable, and I did appreciate the subtly of it.
If you want to have a go a Facebook, the only thing that matters is money. Hit them where it hurts. Which probably means negative publicity in this case. I'm pretty sure they don't care about anything else. The certainly don't have morals or they would never have succeeded like they have.
I have mad respect for your honesty and transparency. You have a friend in me AnonyMs. If you ever wanna talk you know where to find me! I love random conversation and I like listening too :)
And oh yeah, I plan to hit Zuckerberg in his zucker so hard his pretty teeth will become my new rings!!-(Too dark? :) ) maybe hit up a news station, radio station, see if they would wanna report on the story. Moneys not too much of an issue for me (I definitely don't have FBs money) but my fiancee has a great job, plus having two BADDD (not to be messed with) lawyers here in KC helps (my family has hired them for years). Plus I know im not alone so the more ppl that join the fight the cheaper it becomes for all of us. And almost every lawyer that could be interested wont ask for money at the beginning. They'll fight for you and demand a percentage of the winnings.
Quote from: serenityfaith on March 03, 2015, 11:54:32 AM
I have mad respect for your honesty and transparency. You have a friend in me AnonyMs. If you ever wanna talk you know where to find me! I love random conversation and I like listening too :)
And oh yeah, I plan to hit Zuckerberg in his zucker so hard his pretty teeth will become my new rings!!-(Too dark? :) ) maybe hit up a news station, radio station, see if they would wanna report on the story. Moneys not too much of an issue for me (I definitely don't have FBs money) but my fiancee has a great job, plus having two BADDD (not to be messed with) lawyers here in KC helps (my family has hired them for years). Plus I know im not alone so the more ppl that join the fight the cheaper it becomes for all of us. And almost every lawyer that could be interested wont ask for money at the beginning. They'll fight for you and demand a percentage of the winnings.
I think you'd find it more effective to go for bad publicity. Find groups of people who are suffering because of Facebook, and which the general public would have sympathy for. I expect you'd lose the legal angle, as you don't have to use their services and you would have agreed to their terms when you signed up.
I don't see it as being about right and wrong. I believe that in a in a technical sense Facebook is in the right. Its their company, they can do whatever they want with it, and you can use another company if you don't like it. They are not a monopoly, where perhaps it might be different.
To take a simpler example, look at this site. Susan owns it and you can either stick to the rules, of which there are many, or get banned. Susan is abundantly clear about that. Is that wrong? Is it any different to Facebook even? I happen to like Susan's rules and morality a whole lot better than Facebook which is why I'm here and not there.
I'm actually quite interested if you can make an argument that its different, because to honest I don't see it and I'd like to see Facebook as being wrong. I'm not just stirring up an argument. I'm feeling much better today. Might have been low E for the last couple of days, at least I hope so because I know how to fix that.
Btw, my FB account has just been blocked too because of the 'fake name' thing. My alias was totally random (unconnected to my real name) and I am pre-everything and closeted, so I have no way out.
I just checked my 'real' FB account and they are not asking for any ID there, so this seems like they are specifically targeting certain accounts and not others. Or it could be because someone reported it.
Quote from: cindy16 on March 04, 2015, 07:58:36 AM
Btw, my FB account has just been blocked too because of the 'fake name' thing. My alias was totally random (unconnected to my real name) and I am pre-everything and closeted, so I have no way out.
I just checked my 'real' FB account and they are not asking for any ID there, so this seems like they are specifically targeting certain accounts and not others. Or it could be because someone reported it.
I'm so sorry to hear about them targeting you too :( I can empathize with not being out and feeling trapped in such a situation but I assure you I will fight for all of us. when I got kicked im pretty sure that one of the passwords I tried was legit and they denied it anyway to put me through the hassle. So yeah, I'd say that we we're targeted. I'm contacting Harper Jean Tobin today. Not sure how the out of state lawyer thing works, maybe she has a license to practice in more places than D.C. But Ms. Tobin is said to be one of the best Trans attorneys in the country. Couldn't hurt to try right? I mean I understand why internet security is such an enormous issue. But when someone explains the ENTIRE situation, jumps through all the hoops and provides information nobody else would know then obviously that persons ownership of that acct should check out!! but they still have mine locked. Today my fiancee is writing The FaceF**k Team about my situation and how I am the true owner of that page. That way it just adds to my arsenal. Even if they give me back access I don't see them allowing me to use MY name. Regardless I'm still taking it to court, access or no access, for having put all of us through this garbage.
Quote from: cindy16 on March 04, 2015, 07:58:36 AM
Btw, my FB account has just been blocked too because of the 'fake name' thing. My alias was totally random (unconnected to my real name) and I am pre-everything and closeted, so I have no way out.
I just checked my 'real' FB account and they are not asking for any ID there, so this seems like they are specifically targeting certain accounts and not others. Or it could be because someone reported it.
And I don't believe that it was reported. It was filtered out and attacked.
This is the email I just sent to Harper Tobin, feel free to let me know if I forgot anything or what your thoughts are --
Good afternoon,
As you may already be aware, Facebook is locking Trans, Genderqueer, and Non-binary people out of their accounts because their name doesn't match their I.D's. I have been affected by this personally, as have many of my friends. Over the last week I have exchanged numerous emails with The Facebook Team explaining my situation and jumping through hoops. I provided them with two copies of my license, personal information nobody can just find out, sent numerous pictures that weren't on my profile, and I've had my fiancee contact them to further explain my case. Today they finally allowed me back access but my dead name is all over the place now. Its incredibly embarrassing and demoralizing!!! I feel as if they are targeting these groups specifically as many of us who aren't openly out have two accounts, one with our legal name, one with our preferred name, and the legal name accounts aren't being attacked (strange isn't it?) I understand the need for stronger internet security and I respect that they are so vigilant in doing so. But to 'out' people who don't wish to be out, to humiliate and destroy someone.. is just absurd and wrong! I plan to contact a few more lawyers today, however I figured you were our communities best hope to fighting this injustice. I want to take this to a court of law, as I feel so violated and attacked, and I know I am not even close to alone on this one. Please let me know if you will be so kind as to represent all of us in this fight with me. Here is my home number in case you wish to talk via phone- (816) 886-7102. I hope you have a blessed day Ms. Tobin. Thank you so much for your time, and all that you have done thus far to stand up for our communities.
- Serenity Faith Shields
yeah FB gave me access but JACOB is posted everywhere I look. The sight of it damn near drives me to an aneurysm!!! And theres no way to change it back. Mark Zuckerberg: prepare to feel the wrath of Serenity. I might look all innocent and pretty but this size ten five inch heel is going right up your rear dry as the Sahara!! and then i'm gonna make you walk a day in my crap covered heels, you insignificant little rodent!!!!!!!!!!!! (puts down megaphone, grabs heels and jar of course grain sand) all I have to say is you better bring your A game. Im sure the Winklevoss twins would love to take over! Facebook was rightfully theirs anyway!!!
Heres the automatic reply I got from Harper's office:
I will be out of the office on business and personal travel Tuesday, February 24 through Tuesday, March 10, and will have limited access to email and opportunity to respond.
Please contact the NCTE office at (202) 903-0112, or await my return.
I am sure it had nothing to do with forgetting my password - I clearly remember it. I was logged in, writing a message to someone, and the next thing I know is that I am redirected to the login screen, and after typing in my details, I am told that my account is locked. If I had not known that this had already been happening, I might have panicked.
Anyway, my main purpose to use FB through that account was to stay in touch with people from Susan's in case this site ever goes down again like it did a few weeks ago. I need this place to keep my sanity, and even a day of going without it and not knowing what was happening was enough to throw me off balance. I now have the direct email IDs of a couple of people here, so I don't need FB any more. I am also tired enough of FB generally that I hardly use it through my regular / older account.
Good to hear that you are fighting this out, though. I can only imagine how hard it would be if I were transitioning and were to be told by some idiot that I have to stick to my old name and not my new one. All the best in your fight, and though I am on the other side of the world, do let me know if you need any help.
Quote from: cindy16 on March 04, 2015, 09:53:01 PM
I am sure it had nothing to do with forgetting my password - I clearly remember it. I was logged in, writing a message to someone, and the next thing I know is that I am redirected to the login screen, and after typing in my details, I am told that my account is locked. If I had not known that this had already been happening, I might have panicked.
Anyway, my main purpose to use FB through that account was to stay in touch with people from Susan's in case this site ever goes down again like it did a few weeks ago. I need this place to keep my sanity, and even a day of going without it and not knowing what was happening was enough to throw me off balance. I now have the direct email IDs of a couple of people here, so I don't need FB any more. I am also tired enough of FB generally that I hardly use it through my regular / older account.
Good to hear that you are fighting this out, though. I can only imagine how hard it would be if I were transitioning and were to be told by some idiot that I have to stick to my old name and not my new one. All the best in your fight, and though I am on the other side of the world, do let me know if you need any help.
Thank you very much Cindy! I truly appreciate it!!!! ;D Just a few more days until I should be hearing back from Ms. Tobin.
Quote from: serenityfaith on March 04, 2015, 01:19:05 PM
yeah FB gave me access but JACOB is posted everywhere I look. The sight of it damn near drives me to an aneurysm!!! And theres no way to change it back. Mark Zuckerberg: prepare to feel the wrath of Serenity. I might look all innocent and pretty but this size ten five inch heel is going right up your rear dry as the Sahara!! and then i'm gonna make you walk a day in my crap covered heels, you insignificant little rodent!!!!!!!!!!!! (puts down megaphone, grabs heels and jar of course grain sand) all I have to say is you better bring your A game. Im sure the Winklevoss twins would love to take over! Facebook was rightfully theirs anyway!!!
Yes. Just, yes.
I am resurrecting this thread sorry... because FB is still doing this. I set up a new account using my new name and within hours it was locked. I contacted the My Name Is campaign. I then got access again, sent a couple of friend requests to people I met at the local trans group on Tuesday... and immediately got blocked again.
I know at this moment in time I don't look anything like an Alice (perhaps Cooper after all the sleepless nights I have had this last month, I've got the panda eyes)... but the only reason I am setting up a FB account is to access trans resources and help groups. I don't want the new friends I make to call me by the name I was given at birth... I want them to get to know the real me. Then later down the line when I am starting to look more like Alice, I will start posting photos of me. But right now, at the very start of this journey. Why would I set up an account with my male name only to have all this trouble when the time comes to officially change my name.
OK, so I apologize for resurrecting this thread... but I just wanted to point out that 3 years down the line and the same old same old prejudice from Facebook.
It's all very depressing
love
Alice
I wonder if it is prejudice or simply crappy algorithms that are constantly being refined to block out fake political and other troll accounts?
Whatever the reason I know it's not fun I'm sure.
Have you been able to get an email from an actual human on Facebook other than a form response? (i know not likely)
When I had two Facebook accounts for the same reason, I made sure to access them from different computers. That way, they would not have the same address recorded for both accounts. I kept the two accounts totally separate, never looking at one acccount from the other one. I made sure they had no friends in common, and I refused friend requests from people I had already friended with the other account.
I kept the two accounts active for a year, until I was out publicly. I then asked everyone on my second account to friend the first one, and suspended it.
You do have to be vigilant to ensure that FB doesn't detect the dual accounts.
Yet another way the cisnormative society works against us... and my mother wonders why I'm not on Facebook...
Hugs,
Sarah
On my laptop iI can use both my ID's. But on mobile I can't
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Alice are you using same email account for Facebook? Google knows I have two .gmail accounts and nobody seems to mind. . .
Also use Chrome which saves log-in automatically. Heck the CIA, NSA, FBI and every other 3 letter dept knows what your doing so why should Facebook really care. Like Dawn says I see the friend suggestions cross both accounts would that be a problem for you?
ie: All my <malename> family/friends surely see my 'Kiera" account I just don't confirm requests. Notice nobbody in this thread has a FaceBook link am I the only crazy one? BTW I am 'out' but *COWARDLY* not 'socially transitioned'.
I don't have a FB account... this is the first time to try and set one up. I was a bit shocked that it managed to suggest a load of friends from my wife to my sister... based on what? I was using a new e-mail address with protonmail. So the only thing I can think of is that they are suggesting people based on my ip address from my wife's account.
Well I am not fully out yet. I won't do that until after my first appointment with the therapist - hopefully sometime next year by the time I get to the top of the waiting list - at least I am in the system now - so yes, the alphabet soup will probably now know, although I don't think they monitor my activity as closely as they used to. But I am obviously now out with the people I met at the local trans group, my wife, and my GP.
Here's a tip for those of you who are still partly or fully in the closet:
I kept my old Facebook account in my dead name because I am still not out to my in laws in the Philippines. They are not on Facebook but my wife has lots of cousins and friends over there who are, so I have to be careful on Facebook.
So what I did was I set up a professional Facebook page listing myself as an author (I have two books up on Kindle). I use that for all my posts as me. If someone does not know about your page the only way they will find it is by being invited to "like" it. I cannot comment on posts as Carly anywhere but on my own Carly page, but it serves as an outlet for all my daily activities as Carly. It lets me make posts and put up photos just like any other Facebook account.
Hugs, Carly
Quote from: Alice (nym) on October 18, 2018, 03:26:54 PMI was using a new e-mail address with protonmail.
Ah . ;D I see that I don't see! Surely you have something to hide (just echoing what they're probably thinking) Carly seems onto the right idea and no doubt FaceBook is tracking IP's !
Yeah, FB is cracking down....they want us to follow the same rules as everyone else. I can only speak for myself, but I want equal rights, not extra rights.
Quote from: Devlyn on October 19, 2018, 12:51:59 PM
Yeah, FB is cracking down....they want us to follow the same rules as everyone else. I can only speak for myself, but I want equal rights, not extra rights.
I think the argument is a lot more complex than that. Using that argument can result in some nasty discrimination when used by the wrong people. Some times in order to achieve equal opportunity and equal respect... extra is needed (especially for the disabled).
Quote from: Alice (nym) on October 19, 2018, 01:44:48 PM
I think the argument is a lot more complex than that. Using that argument can result in some nasty discrimination when used by the wrong people. Some times in order to achieve equal opportunity and equal respect... extra is needed (especially for the disabled).
Facebook is for connecting with people you know, like family, friends....all of whom I know use their actual names. I can only imagine the joke it would be if everyone made up a couple false names. In any event, when you sign up, you agree to use your name. My word is my word, when I agree to play by the rules, I do. Or I accept the consequences.
Quote from: Alice (nym) on October 18, 2018, 03:26:54 PM
I don't have a FB account... this is the first time to try and set one up. I was a bit shocked that it managed to suggest a load of friends from my wife to my sister... based on what? I was using a new e-mail address with protonmail. So the only thing I can think of is that they are suggesting people based on my ip address from my wife's account.
Well I am not fully out yet. I won't do that until after my first appointment with the therapist - hopefully sometime next year by the time I get to the top of the waiting list - at least I am in the system now - so yes, the alphabet soup will probably now know, although I don't think they monitor my activity as closely as they used to. But I am obviously now out with the people I met at the local trans group, my wife, and my GP.
Farely easily, you carry a mobile phone?
did you install messenger on it and give it access?
even if you didnt, your browser for both your phone (esp chrome if you have a google id) and pc has a tone of metadata on it. including your location.
Well that just means I can't use Facebook then. Which means I can't access the full support available to me.
Is that equal rights?
There are a whole host of people who require to use a different name to stay safe... I don't think it is a joke.
There are other platforms. Again, I'm not looking for special rights, and I agree to play things by the rules already in place. I'm sorry if you think I'm joking.
While I somewhat agree with Devlyn that it doesn't make much sense for Facebook to allow multiple accounts for the same person with different names, I also think Facebook is essentially garbage as both a service and as a company. They don't make it easy to hide your activity or content from certain people and choose who you want to reveal it to, and what little discretion they offer is very easy to breach or accidently use incorrectly. There are also all sorts of privacy violations that people should be a lot more worried about than they usually are.
Unfortunately, Facebook has succeeded in making themselves nearly ubiquitous, so it's extremely difficult to avoid. I try to use my account as little as possible, but I still have to get on it from time to time whenever a group or organization I'm a part of has made the boneheaded decision to only put their information up on Facebook. I've had to use a Facebook account as a required part of college courses before, for example.
My advice? Only use Facebook as a last resort. Try everything in your power to use other resources. Ideally, they'd have some system in place where a single account can discreetly engage in whatever sensitive activities they want without everyone on the friends list knowing. The fact that they don't is one reason why we should try not to use it.
Quote from: Alice (nym) on October 19, 2018, 02:17:35 PM
Well that just means I can't use Facebook then. Which means I can't access the full support available to me.
Is that equal rights?
There are a whole host of people who require to use a different name to stay safe... I don't think it is a joke.
all i did was block people on my new profile. this way even if i bumped into them they would never ever see my new profile. and i dont turn up on searches either :)
I found Facebook fundamentally be an automated outing machine.
While living in a Don't Ask Don't Tell environment, where I was out but never to be seen, I set up my Susans Place and Facebook accounts on a 'sterile' machine, wiped, formatted, and never used for anything else. The accounts were as locked down as I could make them, but I was very aware of Facebook's habit of adding new features for social connections, defaulting to fully enabled and requiring users who wanted privacy to discover and lock down the features.
The absolute last thing I wanted was for Michelle to be suggested as a possible 'friend' for household members.
That's the other thing- the idea that having a separate Facebook account for your "out" self will protect your secret is somewhat illusory. You have to assume that anything you put on Facebook might be viewed by literally anyone and traced back to you. Their privacy protections are terrible, largely because they don't have any interest in maintaining anyone's privacy. You have to worry about that with any internet site, but Facebook is a lot more likely to out you than a place like Susan's because it's deliberately designed to link you to people you know without your express permission.
I kept mine separate for the short time that I had too. Once I started moving people to the new account I connected them and then privately started moving them over to the new account. Once they were moved to the new account they were removed from the old account. Then I just decided one day to get rid of the old account which was after a month or two period of time. My old account was long ago killed off by Facebook since I deleted the account. As long as your careful there shouldn't be any issues, however yeah the friend suggestions tends result in people knowing who might not otherwise. Hugs
Mariah
Yeah, Facebook will out you eventually. In one way or another. I had a coworker send me a friend request on my new account. I'm guessing based on location. They also access your contacts on your phone and try linking you that way. They also suggest friends of friends, so if you have even one friend on both accounts you can be outed.
When I came out to my manager, he told me he wasn't surprised. He told me someone had brought their phone to him and showed him my new Facebook and asked if he thought that it looked like the old me.
Oh well. I was going to come out to everyone eventually. In the end, everyone will know anyways. Que será, será.
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There are so many security issues with Facebook. I deleted mine. I remember when I opened it years ago and porn was all over it. :(
I had a huge fallout with work, friends, and family. Like WTF. I informed everyone that my account was hacked, but many people did not believe me. >:-)