know ive thought about this alot and was wondering if there are anything that you would miss once youve had the operation, you post op ts can join too
also visa versa is there anything that you ftm will miss as a girl that u wont have as a guy?
i know i wont miss anything as a guy
I thought I would miss singing as a guy...that is until I attempted to sing as female yesterday and did a marvelous job. Everything else, I'll be able to do as female.
Melissa
Good god no, not a thing. And I sang bass yesterday, miked, before a crowd of 250 people. Felt great :)
Dennis
Singing, are you nuts I can't even hum in tune.
Honestly though, I can't think of anything that I would miss and I don't think that anything would miss me :)
Steph
A good bit of your past life will still be there because it was your past life and can't be changed. Those of us who transition late in life have a lot of the old socialization to overcome. Some comes easily, and some comes hard.
In the transactivism organizations I've belonged to, I've seen what I call 'virtual testosterone' in some of the other older MTF board members. They sometimes revert to old male habits, old socialization.
My husband gets upset sometimes that I had more career opportunities than he did, tied down as he was with 4 children to raise and disfunctional husbands who did little to help. Can't be helped; neither of us transitioned until late 50s, early 60s.
What do I miss? Well, a little more upper body strenght would be nice, but I haven't done any exercise to promote it. My bad.
Christy Lee, if you transition at an early age, you will have less baggage to carry. But don't opt out of the best education you can get.
The only thing I've ever even heard anyone mention that they missed about being a guy was the ability, when in a hurry, to pee standing up! Although I understand that with a bit of practice... ;D
Annie
Sometimes I pee standing up if all the toilets are extremely gross...but then again that's the men's restroom.
Melissa
There are just a few things I miss, though not very badly.
Doing my hair in less than a minute.
Fixing my face before going out, even though I have it down well under 10 minutes from the original couple of hours.
And not yet, but post-op I would miss standing up to pee.
One thing I don't comprehend about my pre-op TS friends is the compulsion to sit and pee. To me it's just a bodily function, and my self image isn't affected one way or the other by how I accomplish the task. ;D
Quote from: Sandi on May 14, 2006, 04:39:51 PM
One thing I don't comprehend about my pre-op TS friends is the compulsion to sit and pee. To me it's just a bodily function, and my self image isn't affected one way or the other by how I accomplish the task. ;D
It's all a part of passing, it would look very odd seeing feet pointing in the wrong direction in the "Ladies". People are more observant the you think :) I've noticed that when sitting in the stall to pee you can often see the feet of the person in the next stall. Imagine what they may think if they saw your feet pointing towards the toilet bowl and heard you pee. It may spark their interest :)
Steph
Quote from: Stephanie CraxfordIt's all a part of passing, it would look very odd seeing feet pointing in the wrong direction in the "Ladies".
Yes, true. I suppose I wasn't too clear, and when out anywhere in public I of course do sit but not at home. Plus as well as the feet, you can tell by the sound, probably because your bottom blocks or muffles the sound somewhat.
Quite often in the past I have has quite a few TS friends over to visit (several from Susan's) at my home, and this is the "sitting" I was talking about. I assume that they sit at home as well.
:)
Steph
Funny thing . . . Even before I came out to myself I preferred (and still do) to sit. I berated myself for being lazy ??? but more often than not I'd still sit if I had the opportunity and was sure I wouldn't get caught.
So, go figure!
When I consider what I might miss in transitioning I always think about the upper body strength loss. I kinda like being able to do the things I do that my SO would have trouble with. I love it when she asks me to help and I can. But then I figure that what brawn can do brain can do also.
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I sit down to pee everywhere more out of building up a habit (so I won't miss it). I'll resort to standing if absolutely necessary, but most of my life, I've always sat down anyways.
Melissa
I'll miss being able to gas up the car, all alone, late at night without really being concerned for my safety.
I'll miss using the bathroom in such a quick and simple process without having to touch any parts of a toilet.
I'll miss being able to shower and be out the door in 15 minutes.
I'll miss pockets. What the heck is it with either no pockets - or those stupid 1" deep ones - in women's clothing?
I'll miss clothes sizes that, you know, make SENSE on some planet of this universe.
I'll miss, as Boylan put it, "one damn mood, ALL the time."
I cannot say that I actually will miss anything terribly but some of the differences now are worth noting.
I can no longer lift a great deal of weight. I am stronger than most around me but compared to what I could once do, it is nothing.
I can no longer ask any questions relating to a vehicle without having to listen to a very detailed (and sometimes incorrect) explanation of the answer. Prices for auto work used to be cheaper and I did not have to argue as much to get what had to be done, finished. No, I never knew a lot about cars but I learned what I had to so I would not be ripped off.
Washing my hair used to mean running a soapy rag through and rinsing. I could do it at the sink in 5 minutes. Now it takes me longer to work out the knots in my hair and I would never wash my hair at the sink.
Soon I hope to not miss having the ability to pee while standing up. While this is a great way to pee when out clubbing or dealing with really nasty bathrooms (the only time I do that now), it also means having that particular part there all of the time.
I am no longer intimidating. You know in the movies with the really cool action hero walks into a full bar and the whole place goes silent because he is just so golly gee swell with his presence? I actually had that happen once at a restaurant. Was branded cool by the current friends forever after that.
I used to be able to hide in a crowd. Slump the shoulders, wear something plain, and keep to myself. Being a 6' tall blonde valkyrie draws attention no matter how much you try being a part of the background.
What I have gained makes everything worth while. :)
Quote from: LostInTime on May 24, 2006, 04:47:27 PM
Soon I hope to not miss having the ability to pee while standing up. While this is a great way to pee when out clubbing or dealing with really nasty bathrooms (the only time I do that now), it also means having that particular part there all of the time.
The solution: http://www.poopreport.com/Techniques/Content/Standing/standing.html (http://www.poopreport.com/Techniques/Content/Standing/standing.html)
Melissa
The peeing thing is really the only thing I'll miss, but I'll admit, it's a big one. It's not a time factor though, it's the ability to do it at all sometimes. I can't even count how many times a girl I was with got mad at me because I could pee in the bushes and she had to wait who knows how much longer to even go. Last week my parents & I took my car to a repair shop that they know. It's out in the country, and they have no bathroom. I had to pee very badly, but I couldn't because the two rednecks that run the place are oblivious to my situation (of course that's the way I prefer it). But as Sandi mentioned though, I wouldn't have gone if it was just me. It's something mental. About the only other thing that might relate is intercourse with a woman. Nobody can understand why (since it still works) I wouldn't have sex with a woman. Can anyone say glass shattering :( ???
The attitude I get from auto-parts guys or mechanics does suck (since I might very well know more than them), but it's evened out when there's something I don't want to do or need done quickly. I pull the twist the toe on the ground, bite a finger nail, "Do you think you could help me?" act, and they quickly spring into action ;D
Amy
Quote from: AmyNYCIt's out in the country, and they have no bathroom. I had to pee very badly, but I couldn't because the two rednecks that run the place are oblivious to my situation ...).
Someones going to have to learn how to squat in the bushes. Been there, done that, had to use part of the Tee shirt. Ok too much info :D
Steph
I just thought of something I'll miss. Being able to eat really messy foods in public without people giving you a second glance.
Melissa
Quote from: Melissa on May 25, 2006, 02:36:14 PMI just thought of something I'll miss. Being able to eat really messy foods in public without people giving you a second glance.
And without destroying your makeup... :( I ran into that little problem last night; I went out to dinner with a friend, and made the mistake of ordering shrimp Alfredo!
From now on, I'm only ordering dry, bite-sized foods.
Annie
being able to scratch, fart, burp and just generally be disgusting....
oh wait, i'd do that if i was a girl
The ability to wake up and just go outside in whatever!!! LOL without doing your hair, or make-up, picking out shoes, accessorizing, changing purses etc.
Oh and boxer shorts.....
say what you will they are comfortable...(FYI still wear the boyfriends from time to time drives him crazy in a bad way! LOL)
BTW, Good one Phoenix! LMAO
The only thing that even remotely qualifies is quick/versatile bathroom trips.
*shrug*
Well, not being a prime target for someone's stupidity was nice, lol.
Pretty much everything else either does not apply or does not change, I think.
Having a reason for not wearing a bra.
The pee stuff is too much girls. I'm going through the opposite, so you can dwell on that. But on the actual question on missing anything as a female, HELL NO, my top surgery is on Aug 7, and that day can't come soon enough.
Marco
Quote from: Melissa on May 14, 2006, 03:14:55 PM
Sometimes I pee standing up if all the toilets are extremely gross...but then again that's the men's restroom.
Melissa
if they are gross u just dun go in them
Hi everyone,
There is not a whole lot I miss. I am pre-op and have not even started HRT. I went full time almost two years ago. I don't feel I am all that passable, so it's not like I actually get mistaken for a woman that often. I guess that only thing I really miss is being able to go out anytime of the night, and feel safe. I used to think nothing of making a trip to the convenience store in the middle of the night, if I had run low on milk or something my kids would need. Sometimes just to get a soda or some other craving.
As for the whole peeing thing, I think those of us who are pre-op and don't have any type of physically distinctive female characteristics, feel we need to try to mimic as many behviors as we can, so we have a way to feel good about our own femininity. I think the same thing applies to overdressing, over-makeuping, and exagerated body movements. It's not hard to notice that the more passable someone becomes, the more natural thier appearance and behaviors become. The need to wear a dress everday gives way to dressing more comfortably and naturally. Peeing becomes just a body function, not another way to convince others you really are a girl.
Love always,
Elizabeth
*shrug* I can only speak for one little girl, but this one sits when possible because ... well, you know... old habits are hard to break? *wink* Sometime in the future I don't want to do something silly while I am half asleep or something...
Quote from: christy-lee on May 29, 2006, 04:32:24 AM
if they are gross u just dun go in them
I do avoid them whenever possible just because I feel guilty using the men's restroom.
Melissa
There really isn't much that I would miss, but I would occassionally miss standing up to pee. I've been sitting down to do it most of my life. It's a lot cleaner and guys are so messy . :P
Gina :)
I thought of another. As a man, the size of the dating pool of women is significantly higher. As a woman, it gets harder to another woman who is attracted to women.
Melissa
Since the convo turned towards the Pee thing! LOL
As a pre-op out in public I go standing up to accidentally avoid catching anything
Also in regards to the type of noise difference a male & a female make. If you aim for the part of the bowl which has no water in it it seems to mimic the sound of a female also use control on your flow.
FYI
Try it!
little tips to remain as i would say "unclockable"
Quote from: Chynna on May 30, 2006, 08:09:06 AM
As a pre-op out in public I go standing up to accidentally avoid catching anything
Also in regards to the type of noise difference a male & a female make. If you aim for the part of the bowl which has no water in it it seems to mimic the sound of a female also use control on your flow.
FYI
Try it!
little tips to remain as i would say "unclockable"
If the walls of the stall do not reach the floor and the toes are pointing the wrong direction that pretty much destroys the hope of "unclockable".
Leigh
Who said face the bowl???? LMAO ??? :D ;)
Hi Chynna
The occasional time that I do stand to pee, I also try to aim for the part of the bowl that has no water.
I also spoke with my boyfriend about SRS and he says that it's totally my choice and he doesn't mind if I do it or not. He loves me for who I am. :)
BTW, really nice avator ;)
Gina :)
Gina,
Thats what I'm talking about girl just make sure he actually means what he says you know how men can be and never loose focus on what you want from your life.As you progress in your transition you'll notice so will your relationship with him. I think that he will help you out a lot in your transition. Having a mate to confide and talk to.
BTW thats not an AVATAR thats ME!!!!LMAO :o
Chynna,
Thanks for understanding. Me and my boyfriend have been seeing each other for three months now, so it's not quite as committed as it is with you and your guy. But you are right that having someone there while going through my transition does help :)
Sorry about the mistake. Its' a really nice looking picture of you.
Gina :)
See my PM
Being full time since Jan. of '06, one thing I think that I miss is the anonimity (please forgive the spelling, if wrong) of doing me job well in a male dominated field. As an example, I had a load of 95' utility ploes on my truck and needed to stop for fuel. I pulled into a rinky-dink mom and pop fuel stop where manuvering room was at at premium for a regular sized tractor-trailer and pretty much nonexistant for an oversized truck. With the use of experience and patience, I was able to get to the fuel island to fuel up. As i got out of my truck another driver stumbled over himself to get to me and said "My goodness you handled that truck very well, good job." I have been I truckdriver for 25 years and have been hauling utility poles for about 4 and a half, before going full time, I have never had ANYONE come up to me and say that. I said thank-you and went on about my business.
i think the one thing ill really miss about being a girl is the ability to be open with my emotions without being ridiculed by other guys. the emotional rule are so much more rigid for guys.
-damien
:-\
Quote from: damien on June 11, 2006, 05:37:17 PM
the emotional rule are so much more rigid for guys.
That is so true. I've had to live that way my whole life and it's been awful.
Melissa
For me, there is nothing physical or superficial that I would miss from being a guy. The things that are hardest for me will be the relationships with spouse, family, and friends that are bound to change. Although I desparately want to be accepted and treated as a woman, the people in my life who I have had the closest relationships with have always related to me as male.
OK ... on a less serious note .. what could I miss?
- More options for dealing with messy or cold toilets
- Not having "after-drip" issues from sex
- Going topless on very rare occasions (I don't enjoy this as a male, anyway.)
- Not having to worry about electrolysis or long term hormone use
- feeling expectations to participate in inane conversations about sports, cars, or guns
- being excluded from the friendships with other women that women seem to have more easily
Really, there's not much.
Steph
Another thing I thought of today was that as a guy, you don't really think too much about how others are observing you, but as a woman, you have to constantly evaluate how other women are seeing you. I know that this isn't just because I'm TS, but I know just about all other women experience this as well, so it comes with the package.
Melissa
Holy smokes Melissa, that's quite a list of things that you going to miss.
Steph
Heh heh, but it doesn't outnumber the things I won't miss. Really though, it's more of an inconvenience rather than missing them.
Melissa
Quote from: Phoenix on May 26, 2006, 08:47:25 AM
being able to scratch, fart, burp and just generally be disgusting....
oh wait, i'd do that if i was a girl
that's right.
Here is a really short and simple answer to what I will miss.
N O T H I N G
Quote from: Sarah Louise on June 12, 2006, 03:32:20 PM
Here is a really short and simple answer to what I will miss.
N O T H I N G
Aha a girl after my own heart :)
Steph
I will miss the closeness and comradary that I came to rely on from my wife, I lost the best friend that I ever had. I pray that there is another out there for me.............................. Does lightning strike the same place twice?
Quote from: heatherrose on June 17, 2006, 03:23:26 AM
I will miss the closeness and comradary that I came to rely on from my wife, I lost the best friend that I ever had. I pray that there is another out there for me.............................. Does lightning strike the same place twice?
Stranger things have happened, get out there and start looking hon. :)
Steph
Quote from: heatherrose on June 17, 2006, 03:23:26 AM
Does lightning strike the same place twice?
Yes, sometimes it does. Be a lightning rod. :)
Melissa
Oh yes, two things:
ABSOLUTAMENTE NADA
tinkerbell ;D
I agreee with melissa, The emotional rule is very rigid with guys. I too had to live with that my whole life and it sucked. I can get quite emotional very easly and I always was told to just stop it. :'( I long for the day I can just let it out with out being scrutinized. It's far easyer for women. ;)
Owen
love being female
Quote from: Melissa on May 29, 2006, 12:24:17 PM
I thought of another. As a man, the size of the dating pool of women is significantly higher. As a woman, it gets harder to another woman who is attracted to women.
I take this one back. I've already had better luck with women (relationship-wise) as female than I ever did as male.
Melissa
Quote from: Melissa on June 27, 2006, 11:10:59 PM
I take this one back. I've already had better luck with women (relationship-wise) as female than I ever did as male.
Melissa
Too late no take backs :) LOL
Steph
If you consider your self "biosexual" then your chances of getting a date on Saturday night are increased by 50%!
Thanks for the beer Melissa! ;)
What is "biosexual" and how is that different than bisexual?...or is that what you meant?
I consider myself "mostly lesbian", since most of the people I find myself attracted to are women.
You're welcome on the beer Chynna, I have an unlimited supply: :icon_drunk: :icon_drunk: :icon_drunk: :icon_drunk: :icon_drunk: ;D
Melissa
I have been full time for about 5 years now and I'm post op 2 years and I started transitioning about 8-10 years ago. I have not missed anything about being a guy. Nothing at all. I'm glad I'm missing something and I'm not looking for it.
Sheila
I am so ready to ditch ALL guy things. I am not looking back. I figured out that when it comes to "inappropriate behavior" guys have more freedom, but when it comes to "appropriate behavior" women have more freedom. I'll just act appropriately.
Melissa
Quote from: Melissa on June 28, 2006, 10:10:53 AM
What is "biosexual" and how is that different than bisexual?...or is that what you meant?
I consider myself "mostly lesbian", since most of the people I find myself attracted to are women.
You're welcome on the beer Chynna, I have an unlimited supply: :icon_drunk: :icon_drunk: :icon_drunk: :icon_drunk: :icon_drunk: ;D
Melissa
I mean't Tri-sexual oh hell just pass the beer! :icon_drunk:
Cheers Melissa
:icon_eek: :icon_drunk:
Chynna
Quote from: Melissa on June 29, 2006, 10:44:40 AM
I am so ready to ditch ALL guy things.
Please do not buy into the "Oh I transitioned, I'm a woman and I can't, won't or forgot how to do
??????, any thing that would be what a male normally does.
How many women are in the trades, carpenters, electricians, construction?
A post was made about fast cars and street racing, which is for punks.. Look at real race car drivers that just happen to be women. NHRA, Indy 500 are a few.
Leigh
Leigh, I didn't say all masculine things. I meant things that apply to guys only. Such as eating like a slob in public or peeing standing up. I'll still do typically masculine things like work on my car or build stuff with electronics or whatever else I feel like. Why? Because I like that stuff and there's no reason a woman can't do that. Actually, as a woman I've already become more athletic. It's just easier to move around a body that's closer to being right.
Melissa
Thank goodness.
With Steph swinging her handbag and you going high femme I'd have to recruit more dykes.
You I'm pretty sure of but Steph keeps talking about dudes?? Come back Steph, I have cookies >:D
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Quote from: Leigh on June 30, 2006, 12:02:53 AM
You I'm pretty sure of but Steph keeps talking about dudes??
:icon_redface:
Melissa
Quote from: cindianna_jones on June 30, 2006, 03:59:41 AM
Hey... how do I add my picture to the side of my posts? I've checked out my personal information and could not find it.
Looks like you figured it out.
Melissa
Quote from: Leigh on June 29, 2006, 10:54:23 PM
A post was made about fast cars and street racing, which is for punks..
You know I would swear someone just called me a punk!?
Or
did I read that wrong?! ::)
Chynna
I'll miss being able to down two 1/4 pounders in 2 or 3 min without getting "that" look. and i allready miss being lazy and still keeping my endurance... im having to swim lapps and workout just so i dont kill myself on the drums at practice or shows.
Quote from: Chynna on July 01, 2006, 03:58:43 PM
I would swear someone just called me a punk!?
If you really do street race then you did read it right.
Anyone who street races endangers innocent people. I could give a RRRA is they kill themselves or end up crippled for life.
There are to many places to race that are safe to do otherwise.
Leigh
Leigh,
I think I am already on the dark side, but I will still come over for cookies.
Love always,
Elizabeth
Quote from: Leigh on July 02, 2006, 01:30:50 AM
If you really do street race then you did read it right.
Anyone who street races endangers innocent people. I could give a RRRA is they kill themselves or end up crippled for life.
There are to many places to race that are safe to do otherwise.
Leigh
For the record the only people I endanger IS myself and those who participate..When I race It is almost always in the same locale A long two laned road 2.5 miles that leads and only ends at the river (its abandoned because it use to lead to a ferry which since they built the bridge is no longer in use.
And I am also a member of ATTCO Speedway.
You may consider reasearching a topic before you judge it or someone who participates in it!
All street racers don't race in the open like most people think like all TS aren't attractted to men
Chynna
Open, closed it does not matter.
If its not on the dragstrip its a flippin street.
QuoteYou may consider reasearching a topic before you judge it or someone who participates in it!
Research, Ok I'll research my memories. NHRA Winternationls 73-74-75-76-78. World Finals-78-79-80-81-82-83. Mile High Nationals 81-82-83, all as a driver Northwest Nationals 82-winner Los Angeles National Open-83 winner. 1982 #5 in points nationwide , 83 #7 in points nationwide---Super Stock Eliminator. 8 National records.
Just another topic where you are behind the learning curve.
Leigh
Quote from: Leigh on July 02, 2006, 02:22:35 AM
Just another topic where you are behind the learning curve.
Ban me smite me whateva!
you constantly talk about rule 15 all the time, but you are the first one to call people names and pre-judge everybody else; sorry but that pisses some people off. I mean if your gonna set an example, you should probably start by refraining your own words once in a while and lead by example. I love the way you constantly bend and practically break the rule off yourself without banning or smitting yourself it truly is funny
But I guess that the only topic your behind the learning curve on...
Oh and the time you misposted that fact on Spiro but whos really counting Admin???
also I said research the topic "street racing" not racing in general
But perhaps its best I ignore you because Im used to ignoring individuals such as yourself..
Chynna
Posted at: July 02, 2006, 02:45:45 AM
Quote from: Leigh on July 02, 2006, 01:30:50 AM
If you really do street race then you did read it right.
I could give a RRRA is they kill themselves or end up crippled for life.
Clear violation or bending of your own rule
Hi guys and girls:
Proverbs, proverbs, proverbs. You know, that's why I love japanese people; they have a proverb for every situation imaginable.
Take a look at this one, for example:
JAPANESE: Deru kugi wa utareru
ENGLISH: The nail that sticks out gets hammered down
SPANISH: El clavo que se sale de lugar debe ser hundido a martillazos
wise, very wise proverb indeed...one of my favorites by the way.
tinkerbell :icon_chick:
Quote from: Chynna on July 02, 2006, 03:14:10 AM
Ban me smite me whateva!
you constantly talk about rule 15 all the time, but you are the first one to call people names and pre-judge everybody else; sorry but that pisses some people off.
I called a class of people punks, ones who street race. You included yourself in that group. Nowhere did I single you out as an individual or by name.
Quote
But I guess that the only topic your behind the learning curve on...
Oh and the time you misposted that fact on Spiro but whos really counting Admin???
3. Drugs that interfere with receptor binding of androgens (or in the future with postreceptor mechanisms) have been used success-fully. Cyproterone acetate (AndrocurR) XXXX day orally or XXXXX month intramuscularly and less effectively medroxyprogesterone acetate have also antigonadotropic action. The "pure" antiandrogens nilutamide (AnandronR) XXXXX day and flutamide (Eulexin XXXXX mg, three times a day) are potent drugs. They are less suited as monotherapy since by their interference with the negative feed-back action of androgens, they stimulate gonadotropin production and subsequently androgen production. Spironolactone has also receptor-blocking properties.
Quotealso I said research the topic "street racing" not racing in general
This is what you actually said right after you mentioned Attco >> You may consider reasearching a topic before you judge it or someone who participates in it! Nowhere is there a mention of street racing.
Leigh
You dance around the issue and the topic with the skill and dextarity of a politician. :eusa_clap:
And I simply applaud you for that.
Mrs Chynna White
Quote from: Leigh on June 30, 2006, 12:02:53 AM
Thank goodness.
With Steph swinging her handbag and you going high femme I'd have to recruit more dykes.
You I'm pretty sure of but Steph keeps talking about dudes?? Come back Steph, I have cookies >:D
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Aha yep I'm afraid I've been taken of by the femme fairies. My purse is quite big and deadly at three feet. I must admit that I thought I would continue with my woodworking, but my shop and tools are gathering dust. I'm pretty sure that it's just because I'm really busy lately and i just haven't made the time for my shop. I hate to see it wating away as it's a complete wood shop with every floor mounted power tool a guy could wish for. Too bad there are no guys around to use it. I'm using the shop as bait now, to attract poor unsuspecting dudes :) Better than cookies Leigh :)
Oh well may be in the future I'll get back at it, but for now it stands under drop cloths.
Steph
Quote from: Chynna on July 02, 2006, 02:20:14 PM
You dance around the issue and the topic with the skill and dextarity of a politician. :eusa_clap:
And I simply applaud you for that.
Mrs Chynna White
The japanese have another proverb that I like too.
JAPANESE: Nurenu saki koso tsuyo omo itoe
ENGLISH: People want to avoid the dew before they become wet
What do you think Chynna Doll????
love ya,
tinkerbell :icon_chick:
Just a quick change of subject. Nice pic TB, I'm a cat lover myself. It's about time that you showed yourself :P
OK now I will return you to your regularly scheduled programing :)
Steph
I also noticed your pic Tinkerbell and you look great! :)
I can't really think of anything that I will miss. Although something I've noticed already is that, whereas it was once a common occurrence for some of the women I saw out and about to be attracted to me (and I could always tell) that hasn't been happening lately, or at least not nearly as much. Probably when I am not dressed as a female I set off their 'dar. *shrug* But I can't say as I miss that, since when it happened it was always a 'wow, there's something about me that others find attractive; can't imagine what' moment. They weren't responding to me but rather to the exterior I put up to try to fit in with society.
BTW, is it okay if I use that Dark Side image as an avatar on other boards? I won't hotlink it. :D
Ill miss the little blonde lady with the wings tryng to squeeze her lil butt through the keyhole!
Reminded me of the time...............Oh nevermind! ;) ;D
Love the pic SIS
and the proverbs
Chynna
I love the picture too tinkerbell.
Quote from: umop ap!sdn on July 03, 2006, 03:49:07 AM
But I can't say as I miss that, since when it happened it was always a 'wow, there's something about me that others find attractive; can't imagine what' moment. They weren't responding to me but rather to the exterior I put up to try to fit in with society.
I think it is due to the fact that we are being true to ourselves and that somehow shines through.
Melissa
Quote from: tinkerbell on July 18, 2006, 08:50:42 PM
Hello Everyone:
I guess you already know my answer to this question since I posted it a while back. But I had to ask this question to someone close to me (who's lived a completely different life from mine....yeah..I know...I'm nosy...a few people here can tell you that... ;D) so I called a very good friend of mine and bombarded her with the question...by the way...she doesn't live in the States, and I'll give you a synopsis of her life so that you can understand better why she thinks the way she does....
She seems like a very special person to you, have you ever met?
Steph
Would/Will possibly miss having crushes on girls (depends on estrogen), causing havoc at BS...
Quote from: TheRoachyJay on July 18, 2006, 11:47:15 PM
Would/Will possibly miss having crushes on girls (depends on estrogen)
Why couldn't you have crushes on girls? I do. :)
Melissa
Quote from: Melissa on July 19, 2006, 12:58:30 AM
Why couldn't you have crushes on girls? I do. :)
Melissa
I read somewhere that 1/3 post operation mtfs remained attracted to females with the effects of estrogen.
Well, from polls I've seen done on the internet, it's closer to 50%.
Melissa
Quote from: tinkerbell on July 19, 2006, 12:41:43 AM
Hi Steph:
Yes we have met. Actually she lived in Peru for a few months in the mid 90's and I was there on a holiday...so we had the chance to know each other then. Over the years though, our lives just took different directions but we've kept in touch via telephone, mail and e-mail. She's never been to the States before so lately I've been trying to convice her to take a few weeks off and come over. Unfortunately Argentina has very strict laws on how to change gender markers on national documents if you're still pre-op, so that's been the main reason why she hasn't come over yet. I keep hoping though...
tinkerbell :icon_chick:
Thats really too bad, it's especially sad when you re being held prisoner in your own country.
Steph
Quote from: Melissa on July 19, 2006, 10:27:43 AM
Well, from polls I've seen done on the internet, it's closer to 50%.
Melissa
Could be. Pool the data from different places and we end up with different results. Perhaps it's more sparatic than we'd like to think.
I don't think anyone knows for sure. I would guess your number included bisexuals. Personally, I know that I'll always maintain an attraction to women. It's too strong not to.
Melissa
Nope! nothing whatsoever! but again, how could I miss something I have never experienced before?
tinkerbell
I miss being treated like an intelligent human being when I buy something technical or take my car in for a service....
To be shown how the on / off switch turns on a TV, I found kind of insulting....
Buffy
So far the only thing I've missed is feeling like I had a chance with straight women, but then I realize I would never be able to fill the male role and that feeling goes away.
Melissa
Quote from: Buffy on July 30, 2006, 03:12:16 AM
I miss being treated like an intelligent human being when I buy something technical or take my car in for a service....
To be shown how the on / off switch turns on a TV, I found kind of insulting....
Buffy
It always amazes when guys talk about
intelligent things such as the right screw to buy in a hardware store, which team won the football game last sunday, or the number of hairs they have under their arms.. :P ...it is another thing which I don't miss at all...their
intelligence. >:D
tinkerbell
No offence to the FtM's but generaly speaking dont you mean "or lack there of" ;) Tink?
<This post is bassed on my own personal experiance with myself........I dont miss being clueless, or inconsidorate due to being oblivious to all that happens around me at all>
Quote from: LynnER on July 30, 2006, 04:01:40 AM
No offence to the MtF's but generaly speaking dont you mean "or lack there of" Tink?
Yep! that's exactly what I implied by the smileys and
by my using of this type of letters ;)
tinkerbell
P.S. Lynn, did you really think I was serious when I mentioned
their intelligence?
Quote from: Melissa on May 13, 2006, 11:02:24 PM
I thought I would miss singing as a guy.
Melissa
At first I thought "No, there's really nothing I can think of" then I read your reply Melissa. I got hooked on karaoke when a lez friend I was crazy about asked me to sing for her. I did Mack the Knife. When I got back to our table I was shaking like a leaf. She jumped up and gave me a big hug and a kiss and said "Wow you can really sing!" So whenever she asked me to sing for her I was right there. I was like a puppy waiting for that hug and kiss when I was done.
I have a pretty deep voice and I can boom it pretty well. My daughter called it the big noise and was scared to death of it. It meant I didn't have to spank her, all I had to do was ask if she wanted to hear the big noise and she immediately obeyed. So in a way I'll miss the voice but only in the sense that it allowed me to do things and put me in control. That is if I can actually change it enough to sound feminine.
Julie, you just need to learn other effective ways to help control children. I could do the booming voice (which I learned from my Dad), but I didn't like doing it. I can still yell at them in the female voice, but I don't expect it to scare them (which it doesn't), although I can make it sound sharp to get them moving. However, a woman is smart and resourceful and will find other methods, rather than the brute force method employed by many men.
Melissa
Quote from: Melissa on July 31, 2006, 02:20:43 PM
Julie, you just need to learn other effective ways to help control children.
My youngest will be 21 in October so I'm past trying to attempt to control them. But there is still something that keeps them coming back - MONEY! LOL!
Well, I've been fulltime for almost 2 months now and thre is not 1 thing I miss about being a guy. For the things I thought I would miss, here's how I compensated:
Singing - I can sing as female, or use my male singing voice in private.
Peeing standing up - Women's bathrooms are cleaner. No problem.
Eating messy foods - Wear less makeup, so it's easier to clean off.
Dating - It actually got easier with transition for me.
Being observed - I love getting attention now. I don't mind standing out and I'm comfortable being myself.
Melissa
Everybody has some very good points about what will be mssed, I sometimes think past the question. What will be gained and are those gain greater then what I might miss? pro's and con's if you will.
I am reminded of the life cycle of a butterfly.............
The numero uno thing that comes to mine is I will no longer be able to NOT express myself fully. ;)
That which is gained
You have won the game
conquered and tamed
the enemy within.
What's left now?
You know how to vanquish
the internal monster.
The fight has taught you
the skills you've accrued.
There are now mountians to conquer
Craggy mountains of ice and snow
Shear granite cliffs, you know you'll go
ascending the slopes, finding plateaus
of new adventure.
Copyright 2006 Cindi Jones
It is a long time since I was a guy...
What do I miss......To be honest very little.
Most of the things I did as a guy, I do in one form (or another) now.
Some of the hobbies have changed, I loved Fishing, but that is not part of my life (and don't really miss it). I used to make models, but don't find this interesting anymore.
I don't miss any of the physical things (and sex is much better).... One thing I do miss is the strength, I can't open a jar of jam to save my life...
Buffy
Quote from: Buffy on September 01, 2006, 06:01:20 AMOne thing I do miss is the strength, I can't open a jar of jam to save my life...
Run it under hot water first. :) I never could open those infernal things otherwise, and that hasn't changed now.
[OT]Is that a Moody Blues quote under your avatar?[/OT]
I've always used one of those devices that assist with opening jars.
Melissa
Quote from: Melissa on September 01, 2006, 01:07:38 PM
I've always used one of those devices that assist with opening jars.
Melissa
Yeah.... I do know Melissa , they are called MEN!
Buffy
;D ;D ;D
I meant the low-maintenance version you can stick in a drawer. >:D
Melissa
Melissa, samething
Sheila
I don't think I will miss much. I sit to pee all the time now. I always did anyway but more so now. Maybe I'll miss the upper body muscle I already do as I have been losing some strength there as well as losing lots of weight. Of course I will miss doing some of the things I did as a guy that might be otherwise unacceptable from a female. The biggest thing for me would be friends. I probably will loose most of the friends witch isnt many but I'm not anywhere near that stage just yet. Otherwise I would just live my life as I want to be as female. I pretty much stopped most of the stuff I used to do as a guy anyway. ;D
Owen
Love being female
I was not very good at making friends as a guy. I seem to be better at it as a female, because I am more outgoing. :)
Melissa
I lost many friends after transitioned...my best friend in the world who was the only one who totally accepted it was killed in a car accident less than a month later. My mom hasn't spoken to me in over 3 years because of this. As far as "guy" things I miss I would have to say maybe just being able to do things without somebody judging you for why you did it. I realize that sounds a bit general but it seems that after living fulltime as a woman people tend watch everything you do and form opinions. Let's face it...how many times have you heard a woman whisper "My gawd...WHY would she WEAR that???"
There was someone I used to chat with who I was sure would be understanding. But when I told him, he tried to talk me out of it. "You can't lose a friend you never had." ~ Boyce & Hart
OMG, Brandi that is so sad about your friend. :'(
So sorry for your friend Brandi. You lost the only one that stayed by your side.
I just hope I have a true friend or two that will stay with me when I transition.
Owen :(
Love being female
I would not miss a thing. I just want to leave the male in the past.
I love just being a woman.
Nope... can't think of a single thing!! :)
Quote from: christy-lee on May 13, 2006, 09:29:01 PM
know ive thought about this alot and was wondering if there are anything that you would miss once youve had the operation, you post op ts can join too
also visa versa is there anything that you ftm will miss as a girl that u wont have as a guy?
i know i wont miss anything as a guy
*thinks* na i wouldnt miss anything
*thinks some more* nope not a thing
Well, until I pass better, I kind of miss just being able to get up in the morning and go to the store with only a few minutes getting ready. But, after more time on hormones, this won't be a big deal.
Melissa
maybe, I suppose, what is referred to, as "male privilege"?
as a female in society, there are many little things males get by with, females cannot.
aggressiveness...knowing other males won't lie to you w/o fear of trouble, esp. in a car garage,...
salesman, etc.--------
males DO have privilege!
but for me? it's all okay, because being born male, I know my way around a car, and I know about car salesmen, and parts sales....
no one is going to buffalo me.
being born female...would not be too good in this area.....
knowing you have to---work---3 X's harder just to be equal and still get laughed at behind your back when men go into the boy's room.
male privilege is THEE one thing that IS nice about BEING male.
ok
my 3 cents
You wouldn't believe it Veronica but even if you could rebuild your own car engine with a swiss army knife, garage guys will still treat you as if you know nothing if you have a set of boobs.
The only time pre-transition I got treated with respect by a mechanic was once, over the phone, when I'd just got up in the morning and was discussing some work on my VW that I was not happy with in another shop. I decided that I'd have the car towed to his shop because I'd never been given that much credibility by a mechanic. I called him later and identified myself (and my car) and he said "no, I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to some guy". I told him it'd been me. And then, when I finally convinced him it'd been me, he started treating me like every other mechanic had. Even though we'd had a conversation that morning that made it clear that I knew that engine inside and out.
Needless to say I didn't have the car towed over there. I left it with the other idiot who patronized me. At least I didn't have to pay extra for the towing to be treated like an idiot.
If I hadn't been away at school I could've done the work myself. As it was, I had pay to be treated like that. Grr.
Dennis
That's why I do my own work. Then the mechanic treats me with plenty of respect. ;)
Melissa
I can't think of anything right now I'd really miss. I mean... at the moment, I'm more just excited and eager to begin transitioning, so I'm too busy looking ahead, I guess, to really think about it.
About the only thing I'll miss is deer hunting with the guys...they just don't get the whole trans thing. So if I do any hunting it will be by myself, hopfuly I can find some new hunting buddies.....
Quote from: Angela on September 13, 2006, 04:46:44 AM
About the only thing I'll miss is deer hunting with the guys...they just don't get the whole trans thing. So if I do any hunting it will be by myself, hopfuly I can find some new hunting buddies.....
deer hunting? Oh no!...you don't want to miss that! :(
tinkerbell :icon_chick:
Hay what can I say, I'm a RG..... a Redneck Girl, I just love being out in the woods among God's creation & I do love the hunt. Plus the health benefits compare to beef. There aren't any growth hormones given to the animal like in beef cows.
hey uh?
I just-now---------went through your post.
9/17.......10:35pm
I GOT to tell ya.
man oh man. would "I" be one ticked off dude.
I'd be on him like stink on a skunk.
that ole boy and I would be out in the parking getting to it.
but hey............it's a me thing.
"I".............LOVE to hurt people.
it's the street kid in me...ya know?
but any who way?
ya got MY feelings for ya. I did feel bad when I seen what ya wrote.
I do not.......have..........a text book answer. "I" go through life by the seat of my pants.
if it feels good ----------do it.
"I" am an old 60's hippie.
take care out there
I would miss all the free drinks ::)
I like venison. I can't buy venison - it's illegeal to buy and sell it in New York State. So there are only two ways I can get some: 1) Have generous hunting friends give me some (but ya never get the best bits that way) or, 2) Get some myself.
I am not into it for the male camaraderie, although going out with a carefully chosen friend or two is fun and productive, I go out to get some good meat. An unfortunate (perhaps) part of our world is that if I want to eat something, that something has to die.
That said, I may go again this year but by myself and if it ever gets to the point that I can't go I WILL miss it. There's something special about being in the woods at sunrise and witnessing the world come to life.
I'll miss the occasional good cigar once in a while too, well, maybe not >:D!
hugs & smiles,
(better butch than dead) helen
As a guy? Nothing of course. But I'm sure that the Stephiegaff will miss some of its *protectees* as *they* vanish into nothingness...LOL :D
tinkerbell :icon_chick:
Quote from: Tinkerbell on January 19, 2007, 01:36:53 PM
As a guy? Nothing of course. But I'm sure that the Stephiegaff will miss some of its *protectees* as *they* vanish into nothingness...LOL :D
tinkerbell :icon_chick:
LOL so do you think I should sell the patent :) for some reason it's redundant to me :)
Steph
Quote from: Steph on January 19, 2007, 01:46:42 PM
Quote from: Tinkerbell on January 19, 2007, 01:36:53 PM
As a guy? Nothing of course. But I'm sure that the Stephiegaff will miss some of its *protectees* as *they* vanish into nothingness...LOL :D
tinkerbell :icon_chick:
LOL so do you think I should sell the patent :) for some reason it's redundant to me :)
Steph
You have to sell FAST. Try Ebay ;D
tinkerbell :icon_chick:
I don't know Steph. It's not like you could provide a demonstration of it's function anymore.
Melissa
Uh.......
Something I would miss...
Something I would miss...
Something that would be better than being a woman...
No. Nothing. And I regret the things I will never have like having a period or getting pregnant.
Bri
Quote from: Sandi on May 14, 2006, 04:39:51 PM
There are just a few things I miss, though not very badly.
Doing my hair in less than a minute.
Fixing my face before going out, even though I have it down well under 10 minutes from the original couple of hours.
And not yet, but post-op I would miss standing up to pee.
One thing I don't comprehend about my pre-op TS friends is the compulsion to sit and pee. To me it's just a bodily function, and my self image isn't affected one way or the other by how I accomplish the task. ;D
Everybody's different. I didn't pee standing up even before I transitioned. It was alway more natural to sit to pee. My ex once asked me about it before I came out to her. I claimed to be "just being lazy". ;)
Karen Lyn :icon_female:
You know, the only thing I do miss is not having to think about my voice. I wish I could just relax it and have it sound unambiguously female, but it just is a bit low when I do that. :-\ Other than that, I don't miss anything.
Melissa
I'll be honest here. There is one thing I kinda miss and that's being able to have friendships with (heterosexual) men and not have them mean anything else in most cases... even going out for coffee can be loaded with all sorts of meaning and can also stir up gossip amongst colleagues and friends.
Gay men, no probs; I'm the biggest fruit fly around. :D
But can women and men truly be friends without sexuality coming into play?
Quote from: Stormy Weather on January 22, 2007, 10:26:57 AM
But can women and men truly be friends without sexuality coming into play?
Interesting. When I was 16, I was working at a store and I remember one woman addressed that very subject. She said she did not think it was possible. So thinking I could prove her wrong, I became friends with a bunch of women later on and then I end up transitioning. So, I have to agree with her now. ::)
Melissa
The only thing specifically female I miss is having long hair...I mean, short hair is much easier to keep up, trim, and for passing and all. But I had the longest hair in elementary school and the feeling of brushing it and the comb against my scalp...mmmm...wonderful feeling. Just the tug on the scalp from the comb pulling on long hair. It feels wonderful. That, I miss. :)
[anything that you'll miss as a guy?]
was i [ever] a guy? ;)
Quote from: Katia on January 22, 2007, 02:37:08 PM
was i [ever] a guy? ;)
:eusa_eh: Why would anyone here think otherwise?
Melissa
Quote from: Melissa on January 22, 2007, 10:09:50 AM
You know, the only thing I do miss is not having to think about my voice. I wish I could just relax it and have it sound unambiguously female, but it just is a bit low when I do that. :-\
Yup, this has become my biggest concern about transitioning: is
The Voice something I'll have to consciously "do" each and every time I speak for the rest of my life?
Not to mention laughing, coughing, clearing my throat...
So yes, unless it becomes habit eventually, not having to worry about it is something I'll miss.
Kate
Quote from: Kate on January 22, 2007, 03:36:33 PM
Yup, this has become my biggest concern about transitioning: is The Voice something I'll have to consciously "do" each and every time I speak for the rest of my life?
Not to mention laughing, coughing, clearing my throat...
So yes, unless it becomes habit eventually, not having to worry about it is something I'll miss.
Kate
You know it's not THAT bad. It seems like when I'm around other people, my body kind of "locks in" a female voice (whcih I can still do while alone), but it's not like it was before. I ALWAYS talk in a head voice and *that* is unconscious, it's just raising my pitch that is the part I have to think about. Now the laughing, coughing, and clearing throat all happen automatically (I've always had a high pitched laugh that now sounds normal), but there is that sneezing issue. Men tend to sneeze REALLY loud, so I tend to semi-stifle my sneezes and that works well...most of the time.
Melissa
Still finding my way round this board, just found this thread, the pee thing is just a function, I'v been sitting for the last 20years or more, but probably what I miss most is not getting patronized all the time, only yesterday I went into a store to buy a plug, the guy ment well, but was soooo condescending, ''are you ok lady can you wire this yourself'' same when my car needs fixing, its this and its that, what would a girl know about cars, I got ripped off several times, it probably wouldn'd happen if I was still a guy, also takes me longer getting doing my hair and makeup, but I don't mind that, its a girl's privilege to be late LOL!!!
Quote from: Sarah Louise on June 12, 2006, 03:32:20 PM
Here is a really short and simple answer to what I will miss.
N O T H I N G
Ditto. The best answer under this thread....
tink :icon_chick:
Quote from: Tink on October 22, 2007, 06:39:21 PM
Quote from: Sarah Louise on June 12, 2006, 03:32:20 PM
Here is a really short and simple answer to what I will miss.
N O T H I N G
Ditto. The best answer under this thread....
Awl come on... not even POCKETS?
Ya gotta admit it, pockets were kinda handy. And I don't mean these fake, joking 1" deep
"I LOOK like a pocket but don't even think about it" sad excuses we get.
I mean OK, not like I need to carry around a ton of stuff in there. But it's a pain to carry an entire purse into the store when you're just buying milk or something and just need your debit card...
~Kate~
Some skirts have pockets, Kate Marie! :P ;D
tink :icon_chick:
I know I don't miss anything. not even pockets.
Something I had never considered was upper body strength 5 years of HRT has taken its toll on my upper body which BTW is a good thing needing shoulder pads is nice and the missing bulkyness my girl tops fit normal now but Ill be dammed I can't open a freeqin new jar of anything I guess that's what hubbies are for :)
Just one thing:
Walking late at night and not being bothered or harassed, and basically feeling safe.
My second night full time some creep basically stalked me with his car, and then well...said some things that are not appropriate for the board. This was only a few blocks from my apartment.
Other people drove up and asked me if I wanted a ride that night.
I could go on. But it scared the crap out of me. It still happens on occasion. Now I take cabs, which I do not have a hard time getting (I used to not be able to call a cab to save my life). But I realized, I pass as female...but there is a cost. My beloved late night walks. I miss them.
what will i miss? well in my short life, i know i will miss a simple quiet normal childhoold and uni years... there wanst a choice, so meh oh well, move on eh?
R :police:
Re: anything that you will miss as a guy? Y
Yes, being less vunerable........althiough I nearly got raped as a guy once..
Wanking off.
Flexing.
Re-adjusting.
loving the language, you know girls masturbate too?
R :police:
Quote from: kalt on October 25, 2007, 11:19:01 AM
Wanking off.
Flexing.
Re-adjusting.
I guess I am diffrent, but I don't see how any MTF would miss any of these things, aside from maybe muscles, but wanking off is so disappointing compared to the post op options and I "hate" re-adjusting, I just want that thing gone!
Quote from: Rachael on October 25, 2007, 12:07:42 PM
loving the language, you know girls masturbate too?
R :police:
Haha, for sure, but I don't I just adore the squirty feeling and the ability to um... project myself.
Posted on: October 25, 2007, 01:20:44 PM
Quote from: Gabrielle on October 25, 2007, 12:17:08 PM
Quote from: kalt on October 25, 2007, 11:19:01 AM
Wanking off.
Flexing.
Re-adjusting.
I guess I am diffrent, but I don't see how any MTF would miss any of these things, aside from maybe muscles, but wanking off is so disappointing compared to the post op options and I "hate" re-adjusting, I just want that thing gone!
Just because I might want a tiny red convertable, doesn't mean I can't enjoy gunning up the F150 8X8 up in the mud, ya know?
Posted on: October 25, 2007, 01:21:59 PM
Quote from: Cindy Smith on October 24, 2007, 12:06:03 PM
Something I had never considered was upper body strength 5 years of HRT has taken its toll on my upper body which BTW is a good thing needing shoulder pads is nice and the missing bulkyness my girl tops fit normal now but Ill be dammed I can't open a freeqin new jar of anything I guess that's what hubbies are for :)
Get a hand gripper:-p
Quote from: kalt on October 25, 2007, 12:22:56 PM
Haha, for sure, but I don't I just adore the squirty feeling and the ability to um... project myself.
Posted on: October 25,
right...
R :police:
I have to agree with AmyT, late nights walks are definitely out particularly if Im alone, even if its only a short distance I get a cab, in todays world as a female, some places and times are not safe, even in broad daylight, just walking pass a work site, guys whistling continuous, its flattering and its sweet, but sometimes it gets downright tiresome, you do loose some freedoms, but its a small price to pay to be you, a guy goes in and gets a quick hair cut, might take about 5minutes, cos he needs it, cost less, but a woman goes to the hair stylist, to get her hair styled, colored and to just feel good, its more expensive, it takes longer, I can spend an hour and a half at least and its worth every cent, with all the ups and downs between guys and gals, I'II never miss being a guy, I just simply enjoy being a woman, I enjoy being ME!!!!
Yes, rubbing my eyes when i'm tired.
I forget every blue moon. Waterproof mascera and eye liner does smudge. drats
I can't think of anything I'll need & miss as a lad; maybe my physical strength? I don't miss anything quite frankly.
Not a thing.
the standing to pee thing was never an issue here, i never did it ever if i could avoid it, even in the mensroom, always used a stall, always sat at home, its just how you use the loo? i never considered it a boy or girl thing, it had a seat, so i sat... heck, even camping or hiking, i always squatted, much to some folks amusement in highschool, but meh, its all excriment in the end ;)
R :police:
I miss not having to do twice as much work to get half as much credit.
Yeah, uh, nothing.
~ BB
Quote from: Lisbeth on October 30, 2007, 01:07:22 PM
I miss not having to do twice as much work to get half as much credit.
totally, you know, at the students union the womens committee had a campaign start today: women work for free from now till jan1st, as technically we earn 4k less than men on average! so basically women earn as much, but work for free till the end of the year now on ><
it sucks, and i still dont know reasonably why :(
R :police:
I miss not having to wash evvvvvverything on Cold. Gentle. Try and catch the Final Rinse with softener. Lay flat to dry. Fold in closet (wouldn't want hanger dents in our delicate knits, would we?)
What happened to throw in a week of clothes, put it on HOT, wash em, fry everything ASAP in the dryer, hang 'em all... and be done with it?
~Kate~
i bung a lot in on 30' and leave it, hang em, then iron em, then hang em in the closset.... they stay fine, i look great, im too lazy to do anymore, and ive never done my washing any other way...
R :police:
Kate,
My friends kid me that I have one setting on my washer: boil! If the clothes can't take it, they're outta here, lol. I'm kidding, of course, but I will admit that, since retiring, I have no interest in any clothing that isn't easy-care. While using an iron might look nice, I note that people go around with worn jeans with holes in them and call them "stylish!" If that can happen, who needs irons or "dry cleaning?"
I will also admit that my old profession (film editing) never required suits. I can't get all that excited about clothing. It's all too expensive and life's too short to be giving my retirement income to clothing stores. Sometimes, my GG friend is disappointed that I'm not, like a lot of women, obsessed about clothes. For me, transitioning was never about the clothes.
Like some, I do miss the level emotion I had as a guy. Other times, I'm happy to be feeling more emotions than guys. I guess if I'm happy, emotions are good. If I'm sad, I miss the "level-headedness" of what guys feel.
As a guy, I sometimes felt like a non-entity. As a female, people seem to be more friendly towards me. I've heard some F2M's say that they find it odd when people stop noticing them. Obviously, as some noted, you don't want to be noticed by a criminal at night as a woman. Times like that can make you miss the feeling of safety that guys feel in such instances.
It's all interesting, the good and the bad. The comparisons make our lives richer.
Teri Anne
Quote from: Kate on November 10, 2007, 11:22:25 PM
I miss not having to wash evvvvvverything on Cold. Gentle. Try and catch the Final Rinse with softener. Lay flat to dry. Fold in closet (wouldn't want hanger dents in our delicate knits, would we?)
What happened to throw in a week of clothes, put it on HOT, wash em, fry everything ASAP in the dryer, hang 'em all... and be done with it?
~Kate~
Look at the bright side Kate, washing your clothes in cold and hanging them to dry is much better for the environment. I know, someone had to say it ::)
Z
Well, maybe urinating at my full height...but l'll get used to it. I've seen some women's restrooms that just as bad as the guys I used to use, and clean as a janitor in a large club. Women who hover make a lousy mess! But really miss? Not a damn thing!
Quote from: Teri Anne on November 11, 2007, 02:32:49 AM
As a guy, I sometimes felt like a non-entity.
It was the opposite for me. As a tall guy, I could sorta command some attention or respect. Not intimidating or anything, but STILL... I had a presence of sorts.
NOW, lol, of all the ironies... after being afraid all my life that transitioning would make me laughingstock, it's like... HELLO! OVER HERE! REMEMBER ME?
Middle-aged, semi-masculine-looking women apparently don't command much attention, lol. I got what I wished for, but geez, lol...
~Kate~
Quote from: Kate on November 13, 2007, 03:01:28 PM
Quote from: Teri Anne on November 11, 2007, 02:32:49 AM
As a guy, I sometimes felt like a non-entity.
It was the opposite for me. As a tall guy, I could sorta command some attention or respect. Not intimidating or anything, but STILL... I had a presence of sorts.
NOW, lol, of all the ironies... after being afraid all my life that transitioning would make me laughingstock, it's like... HELLO! OVER HERE! REMEMBER ME?
Middle-aged, semi-masculine-looking women apparently don't command much attention, lol. I got what I wished for, but geez, lol...
~Kate~
I'm really short. And I seem to be pretty popular... except when I wanna be.
to be short! short girls want to be tall, tall girls want to be short! :P
was out tonight with a friend who has an inch on me (5'10) she hates it, i hate it, our 5'5 average friends DREAM to be like us! ><
R :police:
Quote from: Melissa on May 29, 2006, 12:24:17 PM
I thought of another. As a man, the size of the dating pool of women is significantly higher. As a woman, it gets harder to another woman who is attracted to women.
Melissa
Let alone one that is Ok with the fact that you still have a MANS ANATOMY, or find it attractive.
Also that peeing standing up thing for women is priceless, MY GF wants one LOL :D
i must admit squatting is annoying, and so exposing, but i wouldnt keep that thing for all the tea in china...
R :police:
Quote from: pretty pauline on October 25, 2007, 05:52:20 PM
I have to agree with AmyT, late nights walks are definitely out particularly if Im alone, even if its only a short distance I get a cab, in todays world as a female, some places and times are not safe, even in broad daylight, just walking pass a work site, guys whistling continuous, its flattering and its sweet,
Another woman who appreciates men whistling at her and considers it "flattering and sweet?" I just don't get why anyone would consider this boorish behavior flattering in any way. And sweet?
Earlier on, I used to get whistled at and considered it offensive then as most women would. Thank God I get more respectful come-ons from men even though I dress very provocatively.
I don't have any problem walking anywhere in the city anytime of the night or day. Lots of other women walk freely and without any fear as I do. I just don't get this fear thing at all. The worse thing that happens is cab drivers pulling over and offering me free rides. Of course, they ask me out. I get their number and I tell them I will call them. LOL
Quote from: melissa90299 on November 22, 2007, 11:27:07 AM
I don't have any problem walking anywhere in the city anytime of the night or day. Lots of other women walk freely and without any fear as I do. I just don't get this fear thing at all.
I dunno if it's "fear" per se with me now, but just being cautious and prudent. I used to park my car, for example, on the side of my office building. All alone. No lights. No office windows overlooking the area. And it occurred to me one night, walking out there all alone, in the dark, in a skirt and kinda sexy top...
"this really isn't the brightest idea, Kate. You're not a tall guy to people anymore."With the "sweeties" and "hons" anymore, I'm realizing that people SEE me as being vulnerable, whether true or not. I'm still very tall and have most of my strength (though not endurance), so I could still put up one heckuva fight. But people don't know that, sooooo... I'm cautious.
~Kate~
Its a lot harder to put up a heckva fight in high heels and a mini skirt.
Overall fighting is not really a TS's thing, so that fear I find is legitamate.
I say always take the same precuations all women must take carry weapons, mace, knife, something and always have it handy.
dont always wear high heels or miniskirts if your going somewhere you might have to leg it from....
plus, heels are good on insteps, and for using as a hand to hand weapon (trust me)
also its not hard to disable a very big man if you know where to poke or hit...
R :police:
Quote from: Rachael on November 22, 2007, 12:45:24 PM
dont always wear high heels or miniskirts if your going somewhere you might have to leg it from....
plus, heels are good on insteps, and for using as a hand to hand weapon (trust me)
also its not hard to disable a very big man if you know where to poke or hit...
R :police:
Go for their EGO that hurts the most!
Rebecca
instep, crotch, colar bones, and eyes....
we have the size and weight disadvantage, and strenght... we get to fight dirty... if a guy is gonna rape you, i doubt calling him fat or ugly will really help...
R :police:
anything that you will miss as a guy?
No!
If I could have my wish and wake up totally physcially female, what about maleness would I miss. I would not miss being male, or having muscles (at 61 muscles don't function like they used to any way), not miss the leaky male part between my legs, not standing up to pee, that takes effort also except at bus stop restrooms, not the hair on my chest ( I shave that), not the male need to solve every problem or being expected to, not miss being expected to hide my emotions or being able to cry, not miss having to shave my face. Aging memory makes it hard to remember anything I would miss about being male.
anything that you will miss as a guy? not a thing at ALL !!!
2 thing: the ability to walk around at night and the ability to pee in the woods if I happened to drink a large amount of liquid and lacked the foresight to realize I'd be walking in the woods with a full bladder. Other than that, I won't miss a thing.
Standing to pee is so over rated, if and when I find myself needing to pee in the woods I slide off my panties, or move them aside, hike up my skirt, spread my legs and let her go. If im not in a skirt (very rare) squatting to pee in the woods is no biggy
Quote from: Cindy Smith on February 18, 2008, 10:56:58 AM...squatting to pee in the woods is no biggy
Not unless you don't pay attention to the bushes you squat in, and it turns out to be poison oak. Then it is a real biggy, both in pain and explanations. I'm fairly immune to it but a friend wasn't and she didn't fair so well...
And then there is peeing in the desert. It does matter if you don't check the bush you squat behind has critters or snakes hiding in the shade. But then if you're on a rural desert highway and you see someone just off the road, just keep looking forward and keep on driving. It's the simple rule, you can't hide so why try, because in some of them, the bushes aren't tall or big enough to hide behind.
Wow, so it looks like I won't miss that after all. I really can't see myself in the woods in a skirt though. I wouldn't want to get snagged on a briar patch. But I'll definitely have to try the whole squatting deal when the time comes just to say "Ha! I don't need a penis to pee in the woods."
No thing.
Nothing.....really.
Bev
Let's see, what I miss about being a guy..... Can't think of a thing! Guess that's my answer. I don't pee standing up, I don't miss not having any hair on top of my head, I don't miss the strength factor, I don't miss walking late at night( i'm pretty tall so I don't think I'd get F--- with to bad anyway), I don't miss the shaving, I don't miss the single mood, OOhhhh, wait , I just thought of something, the PAY. I miss the pay that I used to get when I was working in a manly feild. Now I have to settle for what I get were I am working now. Oh well, money isn't everything anywaze.
JESSI
Quote from: jessi73 on February 24, 2008, 11:34:55 AM
Let's see, what I miss about being a guy..... Can't think of a thing! Guess that's my answer. I don't pee standing up, I don't miss not having any hair on top of my head, I don't miss the strength factor, I don't miss walking late at night( i'm pretty tall so I don't think I'd get F--- with to bad anyway), I don't miss the shaving, I don't miss the single mood, OOhhhh, wait , I just thought of something, the PAY. I miss the pay that I used to get when I was working in a manly feild. Now I have to settle for what I get were I am working now. Oh well, money isn't everything anywaze.
JESSI
JESSI you put that so very well indeed!!
Quote from: Maddie Suzumiya on February 18, 2008, 09:54:53 AM
2 thing: the ability to walk around at night and the ability to pee in the woods if I happened to drink a large amount of liquid and lacked the foresight to realize I'd be walking in the woods with a full bladder. Other than that, I won't miss a thing.
Hmm.... I
always make sure to drink lots of water if I know I'm going to be walking around in the woods -- don't want to get dehydrated, you know! ;)
I agree -- it's rather nice to minimize your exposure when you're in a tent in the dead of night and it's below freezing and nature call.
I don't really see much benefit beyond that in being male, except (as you suggest) avoiding sexism and the inherent dangers of being a woman (walking out late at night, etc.). But those societal benefits are hollow. Being reminded of the oppression of women by the benefits society confers to me by failing to see me as a woman is hardly something to be missed. Even if I were totally content with being male, my empathy would negate any positive feelings from the experience.
Other than fast pit stops in the backcountry, I can't think of a single thing that I can do as a man that I couldn't as a woman, unless it's due to oppression. But ... my rather uninformed opinions might very well change. We shall see.
i will miss all my family and friends that i know im going to lose. but as far as being a guy goes, i too am in favor of the whole peeing standing up thing, OH and and just shaking my head when i get out of the shower and it automatically looking fine, its gonna be weird for me to take an hour to get ready in the morning. but i guess its a good opportunity to learn patience :D
God yeah... oh for short hair.... (and naturally straight wouldn't hurt ><
peeing standing up is an awesome skill i shall master at some point with the aid of one of those pricarious funnel things... but still... if i had the choice of squatting in a patch of nettles... or getting one of those... damn guys have it easy :(
R >:D
When I first realized I couldn't compete physically with my old guy buddies (those that are left) it took some getting used to. I think I'm adjusting though. Actually, hitting from the ladies' tees is kind of nice.
SLight topic deviation, as we seem to get the same things over and over....
but you can be the oposite sex for a day....
What ONE thing would you do?
personally... go to class topless in the summer... because i could... ( it would also be uber sexy)
R >:D
I'll miss being able to say
'Ha! I dont need your boobs! I have my own to play with!'
Jke between me and my exgirlfriend XD
men... *rolls eyes*
you know thats what most guys i know said when i asked how they would feel if they woke up the next day as women and only they knew they were guys? (part of my coming out talk at the time)... :P
R >:D
I'm going to miss the 1.2 extra million dollars (average pay difference in a lifetime) I would have been able to make for just being a guy :P But, at least I'll be happier haha
Quote from: Rachael on March 06, 2008, 08:53:24 AM
SLight topic deviation, as we seem to get the same things over and over....
but you can be the oposite sex for a day....
What ONE thing would you do?
Go to work as usual and see if it'd actually make a difference.
Nfr
well the chance of getting hit on / passed over / payed less not occuring would be nice :)
R >:D
I don't think these three points would be that apparent where I'm working right now, and even if they were the career and payment issues wouldn't be apparent with your one day time limit. But while I'm afraid hard-core clubbing isn't really for me, going for a couple of pints would be an interesting way to conclude the experiment.
Nfr
eating a lot without worrying about where its going. does metabolism change after transition?
Re: anything that you will miss as a guy?
Never been there or did guy things...so I wouldn't really know..
Quote from: melissa90299 on November 22, 2007, 11:27:07 AM
Quote from: pretty pauline on October 25, 2007, 05:52:20 PM
I have to agree with AmyT, late nights walks are definitely out particularly if Im alone, even if its only a short distance I get a cab, in todays world as a female, some places and times are not safe, even in broad daylight, just walking pass a work site, guys whistling continuous, its flattering and its sweet,
Another woman who appreciates men whistling at her and considers it "flattering and sweet?" I just don't get why anyone would consider this boorish behavior flattering in any way. And sweet?
Earlier on, I used to get whistled at and considered it offensive then as most women would. Thank God I get more respectful come-ons from men even though I dress very provocatively.
I don't have any problem walking anywhere in the city anytime of the night or day. Lots of other women walk freely and without any fear as I do. I just don't get this fear thing at all. The worse thing that happens is cab drivers pulling over and offering me free rides. Of course, they ask me out. I get their number and I tell them I will call them. LOL
When I get wolf whistles from guys, so what, it can be flattering and sweet, they are just appreciating my femininity, as for walking along at night, yes Melissa I do get cabs all the time, I don't put myself in danger, its a small price to pay for just being a woman.
p
That whole "in the opposite sex thing"
I'd describe a one of my typical days, but you've already been there.
But if in the future I had a day to go back to the way things are now, I'd want it to be on a winter's day with snow on the ground so I could write my name...
Quote from: Annie Social on May 14, 2006, 02:53:09 PM
The only thing I've ever even heard anyone mention that they missed about being a guy was the ability, when in a hurry, to pee standing up! Although I understand that with a bit of practice... ;D
Annie
Or in a really nasty bathroom at a filling station. EEEEEEEwwwwwww >:(
I guess I'm jumping into this thread late. The one thing I'll miss about being a guy is my girlfriend. I will miss her very much.
I Will miss my Girlfriend alot if she leaves me.
I will also miss big enough pockets to actually fit things in on clothes.
What would i miss?
Well, being expected to dress like a slut for a work theme night doenst help... so i guess being able to skip ALL dance routines, read your lines in the show, and wear CLOTHES in the packed venue... ill sure miss not being expected to be sexually alluring to be acceptable....
R >:D
I am not ashamed of being Trans. I am proud, and I genuinely thank God
I'll jump on. The only thing I would miss.. Being able to be showered and ready for work in 15 minutes or less.
But otherwise I would never miss a thing. But my transition is slow moving; feeling stalled..