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Ok, the point of this poll is to see if there really is a trend for M2F or F2M. There are plenty of posts out there dealing with this topic, so lets see how the numbers roll. If this poll has been done already, sorry.  ;D

BTW, the old stats I have is that M2F tend to be 50-50 about being gay/straight. F2M tend to be 75% gay and 25% straight. Gay or straight is dependent on what gender you identify as.

Well this is all relatively new to me, but I've heard that sometimes after taking T, your orientation can change, so I don't know if I'll be interested in women after I transition. I've heard that some guys do.

Quote from: sneakersjay on April 24, 2008, 06:19:14 AM
Well this is all relatively new to me, but I've heard that sometimes after taking T, your orientation can change, so I don't know if I'll be interested in women after I transition. I've heard that some guys do.

I honestly don't think your orientation changes. But like our true gender, we bury it as kids to fit in better. I'm willing to bet money that most transsexuals started off 'straight' in relation to their birth sex. Not everyone does this, and not everyone hid their true gender either.

In my case it was after I started to transition that I allowed myself to be attracted to men. Looking back there had been cases were I was before, but I never acknowledged the feeling. Now I realize that i'm bi, because I like both men and women. So I never changed my orientation, simply rediscovered it. :)

I've not started HRT yet (will start this September hopefully) but I realized that once I stopped holding myself back I found men attractive.  I still appreciate the beauty in women, but I don't find it attractive if that makes sense.  Anyway, that's my $0.02

Quote from: Angel on April 24, 2008, 11:14:00 AM

Quote from: sneakersjay on April 24, 2008, 06:19:14 AM
Well this is all relatively new to me, but I've heard that sometimes after taking T, your orientation can change, so I don't know if I'll be interested in women after I transition. I've heard that some guys do.

I honestly don't think your orientation changes. But like our true gender, we bury it as kids to fit in better. I'm willing to bet money that most transsexuals started off 'straight' in relation to their birth sex. Not everyone does this, and not everyone hid their true gender either.

In my case it was after I started to transition that I allowed myself to be attracted to men. Looking back there had been cases were I was before, but I never acknowledged the feeling. Now I realize that i'm bi, because I like both men and women. So I never changed my orientation, simply rediscovered it. :)

I don't know.  I've never been attracted to women that I can remember.  Not that I don't think some women are attractive.  But I've never been interested in kissing one. ;)

Jay

Bi ftm here. Unfortunately, I've got more experience with men than women though. I'm too shy around girls.

This is a hard one for me to answer but I put down bi.  I attract the wrong kind of men, so I'll probably give up on them completely, but I really like it when a woman is attracted to me, it makes my day.  But I'm not too sure I could live with a woman 24/7 for the rest of my life (tried and failed), so I suppose I am sexually attracted to both sexes but I'm staying celibate at the moment till I sort myself out.  ???

110% lesbian~  Never had any doubts about it, and my experience in real life lead me to believe I shouldn't doubt it either.

I'm a lesbian and I always have been.  ;D

Though now, when I see a really cute guy I feel I have the freedom to appreciate the male form.

So far it's just cute guys, I haven't seen any hotties yet!

-Sandy

Bisexual here... I think. =P

I'm mostly intrested in other women, but sometimes I get attracted to a man. My standards are pretty high when it comes to men though. ;)

Honestly though, I'm more than a little confused when it comes to my sexual preferences for various reasons. I wonder if HRT will change anything for me.

I should get a tatoo...."Just do me" ...

except I'm afraid nike would sue. I like men and women.

bisexual woman

M2F - Straight

James Blunt is the sex.

I am a lesbo  :D I actually never even considered who I would be attracted to as it was never that big of an issue for me. Once I started dealing with the gender issues head on, I actually gave it some thought and the idea of myself with a guy repulsed me. The only problem now is that I can be very shy around people in person so I am not sure if I will ever find that "certain someone".

I could never see myself sexually with a girl  :-\

So, I'm straight, from my point of view ^-^

It's funny, actually...even before I knew that I was TG, I liked boys, but I never pictured myself as gay. I've never used the word to describe my sexuality (I do prefer queer), and the one time I had to nod in agreement, it felt wrong. I come from a very 'straight' community. I met my first openly gay person (open as in, not closeted. Not overly open and proud and loud ^^) when I was 16. So of course, I'd gotten all that prejudice and everything.

But I remember, I never understood why there should be anything wrong with being of an alternative sexual persuasion, as our SE-teacher put it, and I would openly state so. But I'd never once 'admit' to being gay myself, because I wasn't. I just thought of boys sexually and had my girl friends for the emotional aspects. I've never had a boyfriend, nor girlfriend for that matter. There have been plenty opportunities with the girls, but I've never been insterested in that.

It's kind of...eh...and I'm going to be hated for saying this, but it's kind of annoying to have to fend off girls, when you don't have a ready excuse. I mean...they will wonder why, and when they know I'm not in a relationship, they'll jump to one of either two conclusions. A: he's gay. B: I'm ugly. *facepalm* And yes, the girls I know really are like that. So what do I say?

"Yeah, I'm just in a hard place emotionally right now, and I don't have the mental resources to take care of a girlfriend with all that stuff going on. But I would like if we could just stay friends, and I hope that I can count on you if I ever need someone to talk to, because I like talking to you."

No, mostly I just ignored them, pretended to not see their hints and let them get bored. I felt like the worst person on earth for doing that, though. Still do.

Anyway, what I'm getting at...I don't like people to see me as gay, because I don't see myself that way. I think this aspect of the whole deal will bother my parents, though ^^'


~Moi

myself iam bisexual.  8)

500% Heterosexual girl (of course)  :P

tink :icon_chick:

Completly and 1000% Heterosexual male. I walked my first little girlfriend home and carried her books in First grade!

Quote from: Tink on April 24, 2008, 09:04:50 PM
500% Heterosexual girl (of course)  :P

tink :icon_chick:

There is NO doubt, sweetie. Just look at that avatar!! :laugh:

Me, 500% bi, with a committed lesbian relationship.

N~

Quote from: Chris on November 17, 2007, 01:51:03 PM
Straight dude here. only girls for me.  no dudes.

:D :D :D

Quote from: Angel on April 24, 2008, 11:14:00 AM

Quote from: sneakersjay on April 24, 2008, 06:19:14 AM
Well this is all relatively new to me, but I've heard that sometimes after taking T, your orientation can change, so I don't know if I'll be interested in women after I transition. I've heard that some guys do.

I honestly don't think your orientation changes. But like our true gender, we bury it as kids to fit in better. I'm willing to bet money that most transsexuals started off 'straight' in relation to their birth sex. Not everyone does this, and not everyone hid their true gender either.

In my case it was after I started to transition that I allowed myself to be attracted to men. Looking back there had been cases were I was before, but I never acknowledged the feeling. Now I realize that i'm bi, because I like both men and women. So I never changed my orientation, simply rediscovered it. :)

I will have to go back and read the rest of the messages but I have to say that I do beleive that this orientation can change, you said your self that you found your self looking at men, that is a change call it a rediscovery if you wish but it is still a change.

I have ticked bi for many reasons, I am only interested in a hetrosexual relationship, as a man I want to be with a woman and as a woman I only want to be with a man. That is just my prefrance, That is a compleat swing in sexuality sort of.

Does any one get me or am I out there on a limb talking rubbish to my self....

I am F2M -Straight! ;D Cant help but love the ladies! ;D

Quote from: Lucy on April 25, 2008, 01:40:56 AM

Quote from: Angel on April 24, 2008, 11:14:00 AM

Quote from: sneakersjay on April 24, 2008, 06:19:14 AM
Well this is all relatively new to me, but I've heard that sometimes after taking T, your orientation can change, so I don't know if I'll be interested in women after I transition. I've heard that some guys do.

I honestly don't think your orientation changes. But like our true gender, we bury it as kids to fit in better. I'm willing to bet money that most transsexuals started off 'straight' in relation to their birth sex. Not everyone does this, and not everyone hid their true gender either.

In my case it was after I started to transition that I allowed myself to be attracted to men. Looking back there had been cases were I was before, but I never acknowledged the feeling. Now I realize that i'm bi, because I like both men and women. So I never changed my orientation, simply rediscovered it. :)

I will have to go back and read the rest of the messages but I have to say that I do beleive that this orientation can change, you said your self that you found your self looking at men, that is a change call it a rediscovery if you wish but it is still a change.

I have ticked bi for many reasons, I am only interested in a hetrosexual relationship, as a man I want to be with a woman and as a woman I only want to be with a man. That is just my prefrance, That is a compleat swing in sexuality sort of.

Does any one get me or am I out there on a limb talking rubbish to my self....

I did say that I was looking at men, but I was looking long before I transitioned to. I remember quite clearly having the biggest crush on one of my male friends during high school. I never acted on it, I wasn't gay. (from the mindset of trying to be a guy at the time.)

What I was trying to suggest was that perhaps when we 'change' our orientations we are actually expressing our 'true' orientation. For me, being with a guy as a guy wasn't going to happen. I could not do that. But to be with a guy as a girl was a longtime fantasy, one that now has a chance to become reality. So it wasn't a change, it was me being able to actually pursue the relationship on my terms. I'm willing to bet if I was born a girl I would be the same way.

QuoteWhat I was trying to suggest was that perhaps when we 'change' our orientations we are actually expressing our 'true' orientation. For me, being with a guy as a guy wasn't going to happen. I could not do that. But to be with a guy as a girl was a longtime fantasy, one that now has a chance to become reality. So it wasn't a change, it was me being able to actually pursue the relationship on my terms. I'm willing to bet if I was born a girl I would be the same way.

That's what I was trying to say wrt changing orientation.  Always when dreaming or fantasizing about sex from time I knew what it was, I was always the guy and on top.  Mostly my 'partner' was an amorphous blob, lol.  But on occasion it was a girl.  And yes, as a biological girl, i could NOT even imagine being girl/girl.  Let's just say I'm open to what taking T will bring, though right now my feelings are far more towards being with men, with being with a woman barely registering on my consciousness.

Jay

Quote from: Jay on April 25, 2008, 02:09:27 AM
I am F2M -Straight! ;D Cant help but love the ladies! ;D

yep :laugh:  u got it bro :laugh:

Quote from: Angel on April 25, 2008, 05:28:34 AM
So it wasn't a change, it was me being able to actually pursue the relationship on my terms. I'm willing to bet if I was born a girl I would be the same way.

That sounds about right: the apparent change in orientation is more a matter of having to compensate for being in the wrong body, and later not having to do that. For my part, there has to be at least one woman involved -- ideally me, but in a pinch my partner will do. ;)

(By the by, there was another discussion thread (https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,30296.0.html) here on this issue a month or so ago. It didn't have a poll, though.)

  Nfr

So, since I still prefer women to men, I should put down gay, right?

On the other hand, I was watching Will Smith in the movie I Am Legend working out and found myself oddly attracted to his muscles.  It took almost every thing I had to keep from shouting, "Whoa!  Where did THAT come from?!" in the middle of the movie theater.  I know I said it softly to myself.  My girlfriend Cheryl blamed it on the estrogen.

Strange.  I never really considered the question before.  Even as I write, I am still trying to get my head around this concept that, as a mtf transsexual, I am lesbian.  I can smell the insulation burning from my brain short circuiting.  I think the smoke detector is even about to go off!

I guess I have considered myself more asexual than anything - having little to no sex drive.  It must be that green Vulcan blood that is in my veins.

Chaunte

I like women, maybe even a little too much.  ;)
I'm not closed to the idea of having an open sexuality, it just doesn't appeal to me right now.
My answer, by the way, was FTM Straight.

Quote from: Chaunte on April 26, 2008, 07:22:03 AM
I was watching Will Smith in the movie I Am Legend working out and found myself oddly attracted to his muscles.

me too girl  >:D

i have always liked guys, every now and then maybe like 1 out of 1000 girls affects me & i'll get a "girl crush" especially on cute slightly butch tomboys, but i know a lot of straight people who get those too. i don't think i'd date a girl seriously though because i'd probably want a guy in the end, so i chose straight.

F2M Bi. I used to identify as gay, but...since transitioning I've found myself more attracted to the ladies. My previous views towards women were jaded by the fact that I felt I was being 'forced' to be one. Now that, that isn't the case, my views have certainly changed. I suppose I've matured quite a bit.

I would like to know what the term is for me. I'm married to GG and we don't have sex. I'm not interested in dating anyone as I'm married. I like both but not in sexual ways. I guess I have always been this way. So what catagory to I fit in?
Sheila

Straight gal

hm, I'm f2m and while I find girls very attractive, I identify much more as gay and can't really see myself with a girl right now. I mean if I met the right girl why not, but generally I think it's for me like some girl on this forum expressed it:
She said she never thought about having a relationship with a guy before transitioning because she needed something female in it and if she couldn't be the woman herself then she needed at least her partner to be one.

 >:(
left out again.

Quote from: Pica Pica on April 27, 2008, 02:39:27 PM
>:(
left out again.

Me too.  :(

I suppose the reason is that the poll is in the TS section....

Z

yeah. but it didn't need to be.

Quote from: Sheila on April 27, 2008, 10:31:15 AM
I would like to know what the term is for me. I'm married to GG and we don't have sex. I'm not interested in dating anyone as I'm married. I like both but not in sexual ways. I guess I have always been this way. So what catagory to I fit in?
Sheila

Sounds as if you're asexual.

I've come up with some new categories, Stray or Gait? Stay or Grate?  ;)  :D

Z

strange gait (after poking the grate?)

Very hetero.  ~laugh~

Re: Gay vs Straight ?

We could be all classed as both. If we are born genetically male and transition we are technically gay if we live with a guy. If we are born genetically male and transition and find a girlfriend we are technically straight?  but at the same time we could be seen as a lesbian.... and at the same time if we are with a man we could be seen as straight on first appearance... ???

Well, personally, I went through a time where I wasn't sure and was bi -- I'd say now I'm more so on the lesbian side. Although, from time to time, I might find  a guy attractive, relationships and sexual stuff doesn't seem to work/fit when I'm with men. I do not know if the sexual part will change after surgery, because I've heard that for some people it does.

Personally, I just think of myself as myself, and if I fall in love with someone, regardless of gender, I'm fine with that. I tend to be mostly attracted to women, but not girly-girly women. The men that I sometimes feel an attraction to are a bit on the fem side. And again, attraction vs an actual relationship and sexual encounter is different.

I've been with both, including other trans people, and for me being with another woman seems to feel more comfortable. Also, hanging out with lesbians I seem to be pretty comfortable, too, and I feel that I'm being more myself. I'm girlish, but not high fem. I usually don't wear skirts/dresses unless it's an occasion. I don't always wear make up (these days, make up is almost an occasion), and sometimes I'm a bit tomboyish. So, a lot like the other lesbians I know. And I'm find with that. :) 

--natalie

Quote from: Berliegh on April 28, 2008, 05:59:30 AM
Re: Gay vs Straight ?

We could be all classed as both. If we are born genetically male and transition we are technically gay if we live with a guy. If we are born genetically male and transition and find a girlfriend we are technically straight?  but at the same time we could be seen as a lesbian.... and at the same time if we are with a man we could be seen as straight on first appearance... ???

is that how you determine [your] sexual preference based on [your] gender identity? great! have a ball at it but fyi a mtf transsexual has a female gender identification.  consequently, if she likes women sexually, she's considered lesbian.  if she prefers boys, she's straight. capiche?

Quote from: Berliegh on April 28, 2008, 05:59:30 AMIf we are born genetically male and transition we are technically gay if we live with a guy. If we are born genetically male and transition and find a girlfriend we are technically straight? 

Are you saying MTF transsexuals, after transitioning, are still men? No. That's just wrong. That's what our enemies say about us.

Re: Gay vs Straight

We are all both...

If a man changes gender and then married a man she is still termed as gay. If a man changes gender and has a woman as a partner, she is termed as straight. But she could also be seen as a lesbian and therefor be seen as gay....

Quote from: Berliegh on April 29, 2008, 01:01:25 AM
Re: Gay vs Straight

We are all both...

If a man changes gender and then married a man she is still termed as gay. If a man changes gender and has a woman as a partner, she is termed as straight. But she could also be seen as a lesbian and therefor be seen as gay....

how exactly do you change "genders" berliegh?  did you change "your gender"? were you ever a man? or were you always female? funny.  i thought mtf transsexuals had an intrinsic female gender identification. but you know,  whatever floats your boat!   let's just try not to make blanket statements, k?

Quote from: Natasha on April 29, 2008, 01:10:19 AM

Quote from: Berliegh on April 29, 2008, 01:01:25 AM
Re: Gay vs Straight

We are all both...

If a man changes gender and then married a man she is still termed as gay. If a man changes gender and has a woman as a partner, she is termed as straight. But she could also be seen as a lesbian and therefor be seen as gay....

how exactly do you change "genders" berliegh?  did you change "your gender"? were you ever a man? or were you always female? funny.  i thought mtf transsexuals had an intrinsic female gender identification. but you know,  whatever floats your boat!   let's just try not to make blanket statements, k?

It was suposed to be tongue in cheek! It's not the way I see it at all but more the stereotype public perception of us in general. Your right it was nonsense..

It's true I didn't ever conform to a male lifestyle and didn't live that type of persona and from the age of 13 I started enhancing a female identity. I never felt male and even at school and at work I was never seen as male.....I don't have a before and after sinario...

I feel 65% female and 35% male
I feel 65% attracted to females and 35% to males

Does this makes sense?

Its how I sometimes try to explain it  ;D

I guess iM a bit Bi

I used to identify as a totally 100% gay man. However, since then I've been actively pursuing a lovely girl so.. Bisexual male.

Hmm, thanks to everyone that has responded so far. Here are the results i've gotten as of today:
M2F respondents- 48
F2M respondents- 16

M2F Gay     -   31.25%
M2F Straight-  18.75%
M2F Bisexual-  50%

F2M Gay     -   31.25%
F2M Straight-   18.75%
F2M Bisexual-   50%

I know that the numbers look weird, but I checked them twice. You guys just happened to respond in the perfect correlation of numbers. Doubt I will ever see that again in a number series.

Anyways, what do yall think? I think thus far it blows the old numbers away, but I can think of a few reasons for the numbers being as they are. Do you agree or disagree with the numbers?

Well, I'd always heard that about 90% of ftms are straight. But that's not reflected here.
I love that most our ftms are fellow bi-guys!  ;D

I agree with the numbers. People are more open minded about sexuality these days, and a lot of people are recognizing that gender identity and sexual orientation are not one in the same, and it's perfectly acceptable to be attracted to the gender you identify as.

Of course I also think a lot of people 'change' how they feel about the opposite gender (ie: the gender they genetically are) after transition.

Think of it this way, born, genetically, as a female, I resented females because I was being forced to be one, and I hated everything female about myself, and thus hated females in general. After I transitioned I was able to think more rationally about it because I no longer considered myself a female and no longer possessed physical female traits (with below the waist being an exception).

I don't know if that applies to others, but it certainly seems to happen a lot...people seem to become more open (on a romantic level) to partners of their genetic gender after they've transitioned.

Quote from: discarded on April 30, 2008, 04:04:30 AMThink of it this way, born, genetically, as a female, I resented females because I was being forced to be one, and I hated everything female about myself, and thus hated females in general. After I transitioned I was able to think more rationally about it because I no longer considered myself a female and no longer possessed physical female traits (with below the waist being an exception).

That's a very good point, I used to feel the same bitter hatred and resentment around being male, and now that I've transitioned, I feel able to relax about it (finally!). So bisexuality has come to seem natural to me.

Quotepeople seem to become more open (on a romantic level) to partners of their genetic gender after they've transitioned.

Yeah, I have to wonder about all the strictly monosexual (gay or straight) people here. Why restrict yourself to loving people of only one gender? ;D People are individuals, why not love the person for their unique individual qualities rather than the gender?

Quote from: Hypatia on April 30, 2008, 01:50:08 PM
Yeah, I have to wonder about all the strictly monosexual (gay or straight) people here. Why restrict yourself to loving people of only one gender? ;D People are individuals, why not love the person for their unique individual qualities rather than the gender?

I think it boils down to physical attraction and whether someone likes male or female 'parts'...because personalities are so varied and you can find a feminine guy, feminine girl, butch guy, and butch girl. And you can find traits (non physical) in either gender, so really it boils down to what you're physically attracted to---male characteristics, or female. Of course this applies to people who identify as strictly gay or straight. It just makes sense that, for example, a straight male would be 'open' to any kind of personality in a girl, provided she had 'girl parts', because he wouldn't be sexually attracted to 'male parts' (his own being an exception, of course. heh).

If u like girls u like girls.  if u like dudes u like dudes.  if u like both good 4 u :laugh:  I only like girls.  I like soft skin.  A girls shape. a girls face & touch.  breasts. Nice long hair & everythin else girls got ;) Never been w/a dude & its gonna stay that way. :laugh: dudes aint 4 me.

Quote from: Chris on May 01, 2008, 02:03:57 AM
If u like girls u like girls.  if u like dudes u like dudes.  if u like both good 4 u :laugh:  I only like girls.  I like soft skin.  A girls shape. a girls face & touch.  breasts. Nice long hair & everythin else girls got ;) Never been w/a dude & its gonna stay that way. :laugh: dudes aint 4 me.

I have to say ditto to what Chris said.  Happy with my g/f and never been with a guy and never plan to.  First time I ever went on a date just as a test, I felt pretty sick.  Good thing it was only to a movie.  Anyway, I am happy with who I am and being straight, so not gonna change.

It seems I'm getting in on the end of this poll but what the heck...

I'm a 100% heterosexual female.  I guess it's a bit of a conundrum!  Prior to finally realizing who and what I was, I lived the life of a heterosexual male, and often thought that my feelings towards men meant that I was either Bi or Gay.  Of course now the truth is reveled and in fact I am hetro female so my attraction to the male species was and is quite normal.

Steph

Quote from: Natasha on April 29, 2008, 01:10:19 AM

how exactly do you change "genders"...?

In the same manner some people "choose" their sexual orientation.  ;)  ;D

:icon_evil_laugh:

tink :icon_chick:

Quote from: Steph on May 01, 2008, 06:24:49 PM
I'm a 100% heterosexual female. 

Steph

So am I.

I am 100% heterosexual as well. 
I am choosing not to date until after SRS.  I really am trying to go through this process with as little complications as possible.

~Brenda

There's another sexual orientation that is oftentimes ignored.  Asexuality.  I'm an asexual female.

Quote from: Blanche on May 04, 2008, 10:13:44 PM
There's another sexual orientation that is oftentimes ignored.  Asexuality.  I'm an asexual female.

I'm not so sure, not to be insulting, but I never read anything that made asexual out to be a sexual orientation. Besides, the people I know to be asexual are still attracted to people depending on their preference, they just don't have sex. Cuddling and kissing however is ok. *shrugs* I apologize if i'm wrong and would welcome any education someone would like to give me.

But the point of this survey was to find out what people are attracted to. if anything, I should have included androgynous, as it is a gender identity. But the results so far have been not quite what I expected, vut then again that is what makes this fun. ;)

Quote from: Angel on May 05, 2008, 09:38:38 PM
But the point of this survey was to find out what people are attracted to. if anything, I should have included androgynous, as it is a gender identity. But the results so far have been not quite what I expected, vut then again that is what makes this fun. ;)

If you add androgynes, I'll vote  :)

Z

I would be a 5 on the Female side of the Kinsey scale.
Almost all lesbian here....

I like guys, though have never been aroused by them, nor have I ever been successful in dating them (but that's not without trying...)
Women just work incredibly well with and for me :)

I haven't dated in about 3 years.  Mostly by choice and by not looking.  I originally answered this and said gay, as my entire life I've been attracted to males.

But:

Over the last several weeks I find myself wondering if I will still feel attracted to men once I've transitioned, and have outwardly become male.  I now wonder if my attraction to males was because they are who i'm supposed to be, and they have what I don't (male genitals).  And now I'm not so sure.

Jay, the confused...

(seeing a new therapist tomorrow.  YAY!!)

My Kinsey number has been dropping ever since I came out. Currently hovering somewhere between 3 and 4, I guess. Not that I'm about to start dating anyone. I've sworn off sex until post-op.

I'm bisexual myself.  I've now been in relationships with both women and a guy.  I used to think I wouldn't want to be with an MTF, but I've seen some pretty darn good looking ones, especially on this site.  ;D

Quote from: Zythyra on May 05, 2008, 10:36:29 PM

Quote from: Angel on May 05, 2008, 09:38:38 PM
But the point of this survey was to find out what people are attracted to. if anything, I should have included androgynous, as it is a gender identity. But the results so far have been not quite what I expected, vut then again that is what makes this fun. ;)

If you add androgynes, I'll vote  :)

Z

New androgynes options now included. Lets see if this affects anything. ;)

Quote from: Angel on May 08, 2008, 05:03:39 PM
New androgynes options now included. Lets see if this affects anything. ;)

Thanks for adding androgynes Angel!

I voted androgyne, bi... however since there are more than two genders, perhaps I'd really be tri-sexual, quad... hmmm, I kind of like the sound of penta-sexual... or maybe I should just say infinite...  ;D

Z

Quote from: Zythyra on May 08, 2008, 06:04:35 PM

Quote from: Angel on May 08, 2008, 05:03:39 PM
New androgynes options now included. Lets see if this affects anything. ;)

Thanks for adding androgynes Angel!

I voted androgyne, bi... however since there are more than two genders, perhaps I'd really be tri-sexual, quad... hmmm, I kind of like the sound of penta-sexual... or maybe I should just say infinite...  ;D

Z

By that do you mean pansexual (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pansexual) at all?

Another straight gal here ;)

i chose androgynous bisexual, but i want to mean it in a more emotional kind of way than actual physical. i don't know if that's an option or anything- but it's the closest to what i feel.
*hugs*

I would have liked to be a heterosexual or bisexual girl/woman if I had the choice when reborn

Sadly enough I am an overtly heterosexual "male"(technically)

Quote from: Angel on May 05, 2008, 09:38:38 PM

Quote from: Blanche on May 04, 2008, 10:13:44 PM
There's another sexual orientation that is oftentimes ignored.  Asexuality.  I'm an asexual female.

I'm not so sure, not to be insulting, but I never read anything that made asexual out to be a sexual orientation. Besides, the people I know to be asexual are still attracted to people depending on their preference, they just don't have sex. Cuddling and kissing however is ok. *shrugs* I apologize if i'm wrong and would welcome any education someone would like to give me.

Yes and no.  Asexual peeps aren't sexually attracted to other humans whilst others seek to form relationships with sexual people, homosexual, heterosexual or bisexual as companionship with or without sexual relationships. Notwithstanding the most important thing to realise here is that asexuality is a sexual orientation and is never to be confused with sexual abstinence.  Someone who is celibate is someone who has chosen to abstain from sex. We have not made that choice. Just as the heterosexual didn't choose to be attracted to the opposite sex or the homosexual didn't choose to be attracted to the same sex, neither have we made a choice; it's just the way we have always been.

An old thread that may shed some light on the subject.

Quote from: Fer on April 05, 2007, 06:05:34 AM
People often think I am inter-sexed when I tell them I am asexual. Nothing could be further from the truth.   An asexual is someone who does not experience sexual attraction. Unlike celibacy, which people choose, asexuality is an intrinsic part of who we are. Asexuality does not make our lives any worse or any better, we just face a different set of challenges than most sexual people.

Asexual people have the same emotional needs as anyone else, and like in the sexual community we vary widely in how we fulfill those needs. Some asexual people are happier on their own, others are happiest with a group of close friends. Other asexual people have a desire to form more intimate romantic relationships, and will date and seek long-term partnerships. Asexual people are just as likely to date sexual people as we are to date each other.

Sexual or nonsexual, all relationships are made up of the same basic stuff. Communication, closeness, fun, humor, excitement and trust all happen just as much in sexual relationships as in nonsexual ones. Unlike sexual people, asexual people are given few expectations about the way that our intimate relationships will work. Figuring out how to flirt, to be intimate, or to be monogamous in a nonsexual relationships can be challenging, but free of sexual expectations we can form relationships in ways that are grounded in our individual needs and desires.

Many asexual people experience attraction, but we feel no need to act out that attraction sexually. Instead we feel a desire to get to know someone, to get close to them in whatever way works best for us. Asexual people who experience attraction will often be attracted to a particular gender, and will identify as gay, bi, or straight.

I definitely prefer women but guys prefer me, quite a quandry. If I go to a mixed venue club, I will get hit on by 15 guy and very few women. To me, the female form is sexy. I am only attracted to being with a guy who can enhance my experience as a female. I am not really attracted to his physical form.

Quote from: feliciahawthorn on May 11, 2008, 10:43:22 PMI am only attracted to being with a guy who can enhance my experience as a female. I am not really attracted to his physical form.

Interesting. Could you elaborate on that, hon? In what ways can a guy enhance your experience as female? Would like to know, seeing as I'm a guy.  ;)

Quote from: Nero on May 11, 2008, 10:56:54 PM

Quote from: feliciahawthorn on May 11, 2008, 10:43:22 PMI am only attracted to being with a guy who can enhance my experience as a female. I am not really attracted to his physical form.

Interesting. Could you elaborate on that, hon? In what ways can a guy enhance your experience as female? Would like to know, seeing as I'm a guy.  ;)

A guy could enhance my female experience by being a gentleman, opening doors, lightly touching but never imposing, being protective, giving honest compliments, treating me with respect, being a good companion in public venues, and by dropping expectations of sex but still flirting.

I think thats a pretty nice explaination

But I would expect the same from women that like me in a relation/sexual way

PErhaps thats odd

Quote from: Veetje on May 12, 2008, 01:15:15 PM

I think thats a pretty nice explaination

But I would expect the same from women that like me in a relation/sexual way

PErhaps thats odd

I completely agree with this as well. I would also expect the same thing from a woman in terms of mutual respect etc.

I could only be with a guy if I'm not a girl... hence why I always used to joke that I was a gay man trapped in a womans body. Then I actually figured out my gender/sexuality issues... which has added way more complication to that statement.

Order of events ;P

As a child - Thought about being wrong gender, came to the conclusion of being a tomboy.
Preteen - Thought about women more, thought that was normal, thought I was actually imagining myself as them instead of wanting them.
(basically in denial or just not realizing)
Teen - Started coming to grips with being bi-sexual, got into yaoi for a while so that confused things more. Greatly enjoyed various straight pairings (they weren't normal ones however like Grissom/Sara lol) geeklove :3
Late teens - Started seriously thinking about sexuality and that I really did prefer women something to 9 times out of 10.
19/20 - Started publically identifying as gay as well as starting to work out gender issues again. Find the term 'androgyne' and is happy for a while. Use the term bisexual since starting to no longer believe in the gender binary system.
Now - Masculine Identified, floating in the area around bi-male, still strongly attracted to women.

Pre-T - I can only imagine being with women. Post-T+top surgery - I could possibly conceive of having a relationship with a guy (preferably trans in some shape or form and otherwise somewhat non-masculine) Ultimately, I'm much more attracted to women than I am to men.

I could not go out with a straight guy because then that would entail they see me as female and I do. not. want.

Laura .... absolutely confirmed hetero girl !!!

Quote from: feliciahawthorn on May 12, 2008, 01:11:31 PM
A guy could enhance my female experience by being a gentleman, opening doors, lightly touching but never imposing, being protective, giving honest compliments, treating me with respect, being a good companion in public venues, and by dropping expectations of sex but still flirting.

Sooo what are you saying (?) .... you're expecting for a guy to "play along with you", "treat you like a woman", pay your drink, but with no reciprocal attraction whatsoever ....  :( ....

No serious physical contact, embracing, kissing, wandering hands .... ultimately that "very special thing" .... sex ?

That's like seeing a guy as an "accessory" .... absolutely unfair and sad !

Sorry, but guys are not there to "enhance your female experience" .... wow, even that phrase sounds like being in theme park or acting school ....

Laura .... ??? ....

Quote from: Laura Eva B on May 14, 2008, 06:05:53 PM
Laura .... absolutely confirmed hetero girl !!!

Quote from: feliciahawthorn on May 12, 2008, 01:11:31 PM
A guy could enhance my female experience by being a gentleman, opening doors, lightly touching but never imposing, being protective, giving honest compliments, treating me with respect, being a good companion in public venues, and by dropping expectations of sex but still flirting.

Sooo what are you saying (?) .... you're expecting for a guy to "play along with you", "treat you like a woman", pay your drink, but with no reciprocal attraction whatsoever ....  :( ....

No serious physical contact, embracing, kissing, wandering hands .... ultimately that "very special thing" .... sex ?

That's like seeing a guy as an "accessory" .... absolutely unfair and sad !

Sorry, but guys are not there to "enhance your female experience" .... wow, even that phrase sounds like being in theme park or acting school ....

Laura .... ??? ....

Hi Laura,

Thank you for the valuable feedback. I came here hoping to learn more about myself and you have given me something to ponder. I have lived a number of years in a male role, but as a female, I am still at an adolescent stage. For me, I do feel like I am acting to some extent and still sorting out who I am as a female. Take care.

Felicia

Quote from: feliciahawthorn on May 12, 2008, 01:11:31 PMA guy could enhance my female experience by being a gentleman, opening doors, lightly touching but never imposing, being protective, giving honest compliments, treating me with respect, being a good companion in public venues, and by dropping expectations of sex but still flirting.

Heh, that sounds like my boyfriend. :)

Kind of confused on which way to vote... I'm M2F and mainly attracted towards girls. However, there have been some guys that I have really liked... I usually say I'm bisexual, but there's only been a few guys.

I want to be an M2F (haven't even started transitioning,) and I'm bisexual. Honestly, I'm open-minded about taking it in the ass or whatever. I just wish I wasn't so damn disgusting.

Quote from: polymorphic on May 26, 2008, 04:42:48 PM
I want to be an M2F, and I'm bisexual. Honestly, I'm open-minded towards taking it in the ass or whatever. I just wish I wasn't so damn disgusting.

Poly dear, what do you mean? You're not disgusting, sweetie. You're just a person who has gotten a raw deal in terms of gender. And there are many who would love you as you are even before transition. Please don't ever think of yourself in this way again.

I'm androgyne, I spose I'm Bi-sexual. My preference is towards female and my experience towards male. But my experience is pretty damn limited anyway. I more a romance sort of person to a dry humping the furniture sort of person.

QuotePoly dear, what do you mean? You're not disgusting, sweetie. You're just a person who has gotten a raw deal in terms of gender. And there are many who would love you as you are even before transition. Please don't ever think of yourself in this way again.

I appreciate the comment; I really do. The problem is that I know better. I'm not naive. Essentially, unless the god or goddess of beauty and perfection tells me otherwise, I know I look like a mangled car with no hope of ever being repaired completely.

Quote from: polymorphic on May 26, 2008, 09:17:39 PM

QuotePoly dear, what do you mean? You're not disgusting, sweetie. You're just a person who has gotten a raw deal in terms of gender. And there are many who would love you as you are even before transition. Please don't ever think of yourself in this way again.

I appreciate the comment; I really do. The problem is that I know better. I'm not naive. Essentially, unless the god or goddess of beauty and perfection tells me otherwise, I know I look like a mangled car with no hope of ever being repaired completely.

Why though? Have you been dysfigured in an accident or something? if so, you're still lovable sweetie.

I am MtF and voted straight. I tried being with girls and gave that up years ago. I like guys but since I really don't want to be with a guy sexually in this body(makes me fell dirty for some reason) I guess I will have to wait till I get ME sorted out and then worry about that. So that part of my live is on hold for now
Krystal

dry humping the furniture sort of person

Guess I better put the slip covers back on the chairs again.

I am quite emotionally attached to men. Some people say that's the "woman in me" talking. I want to freaking snap their necks when they say that. A man can have emotions, damn it. So I consider myself gay, and strictly so. Sure, I'd have SEX with a woman, but I'm not particularly attracted to them. Now, I have noticed I am somewhat attracted to MtFs, but in a sick way almost, because I like their whole bodies, including the parts they DON'T like. Maybe it's safe to say I like ->-bleeped-<-s, because I wouldn't want to trigger dysphoria. But it's weird. Something about the female identity and the mostly female body is interesting to me... then again, I'm really not sure about all that. It's so confusing, I just say that I'm "curious" about transwomen, but that my orientation is gay

Hey, I think androgynous people are hot, whichever side they come from. I suppose a queer-theory purist might tell me I'm really "omnisexual" or whatever, instead of "bisexual" because my sexuality doesn't depend on a gender binary but is more drawn to the in-between. But I just keep on calling myself bi, I guess thinking it's good enough to go on using the term most people are already familiar with, too lazy to bother explaining a neologism all the time.

Before HRT heterosexual.  Married three time to women.

After starting HRT, still heterosexual.  I'm find out that too much guys are way cute.  ;D

After transition, don't know. Guess I'll find out. ::)

Much Love,
Janet

I am a t-girl, and I am more attracted to women than men for love-making sessions.  But I occasionally have sex with men because some of them are fascinated by mixed gender bodies and are really turned on by my body, which I find is very erotic for me.  To be desired.......is an exciting thing.

im ftm, i voted straight cos i've only ever been attracted to women but if i met a guy that i was attracted to & could connect well with i wouldn't hold back on a relationship just because of a label.. so idk i guess i'm just open hah

I've liked women all along, that never changed.... early on in transition I came to notice guys. HRT added to that I think. Now though I find a few attractive but don't want to get close. Kind of like, to use an analogy, a cake made of wax - looks good from a distance but not particularly yummy. :P

On the other hand I do find myself attracted to somewhat boyish women - truly they're the best of both worlds. They can look like cute guys but still have the softness, curves, etc that gals have, and they're so sweet and caring. Maybe I just want to have my cake and eat it too. :D

I am most definitely a lesbian.  I was attracted to women as a man and am still very much attracted to them as a woman.  I must admit however that there were a couple of occasions when men have flirted with me that I've flirted back, which is something that I would've never done as a male.  Go Figure! >:D

Well, it's still way up in the air for me, but at this point, I seem to be leaning very heavily towards straight - I like boys. ALOT.

I was never really into either before - I did have a relationship, and in fact a marriage, to a girl, but that was never really, to me anyway, a sexual attraction as much as a deep friendship ... with benefits. Neither did I really like the sex all that much.

Now though, ooooh... meanwhile, while I appreciate beautiful girls and such, it's more a question of comparing and trying to figure out how I could pull off whatever they are making look so easy.

So yeah, either my sexuality is only really emerging now, with the right hormones coursing around my system, or I was just so repressed as to be a zombie!

;)

~Simone.

<- androgynous boy

I wish I liked guys more , I am really dissapointed about that..but I just like girls

I really wished I wasnt straight/hetero

Also one of the reasons I never had a relationship with a girl ^^

I guess its a pretty rare condition :P

Quote from: Veetje on June 25, 2008, 02:48:34 AMI really wished I wasnt straight/hetero

It seems very odd to wish for a different sexual orientation than one actually has. But I catch myself doing it too. Not for sexual reasons but for social reasons.

I'm open about my bisexuality, I'm just being honest about it. But I must be some sort of self-hating bi. To me lesbianism looks purer and more clearly defined. Bisexuality has a vagueness about it that is less appealing. I have this hunger to fit in with a social group after having spent my life "always on the outside of whatever side there was." There is no such thing as a bisexual community, let alone a definite culture or political or spiritual consciousness. That's what the lesbian community has to offer. I wish i felt I belonged there, but anytime I say I'm bi that puts up a barrier to being accepted. Still, I won't pretend to be something I'm not. I wasted too many years of my life pretending to be male. Now is the time for total honesty about who I am. The gnarly thing is I'm ashamed of myself for feeling ashamed to be bi. I need to break out of this loop of thoughts and just be happy being who I am.

But I miss the inclusion in a lesbian community, the feeling of belonging. Women loving women just seems to me the ultimate good in life. Just as Malcolm X said about his white grandfather "I hate every drop of that white rapist's blood that's in me," I feel a deep and burning hatred for maleness after all I've been made to suffer because of it (including rape). But being sexually attracted to men keeps me attached to a world with maleness of it, though as a fantasy I would prefer to live on Wonder Woman's Paradise island where no men are allowed. In the real world, a lesbian community would provide a refuge from maleness when it got to be too oppressive. My dream.

I am bi and proud of it. It took me a long time to get to this point though. When I first transitioned I was not attracted to men at all and had never been up to that point. Since then I have dated straight, bi, and lesbian women. A couple of years ago I found myself going from "well, he is kinda cute" to "wonder what he is doing tonight". LOL. It took some soul searching on my part to come to terms with it and there is an incredible amount of prejudice against bi individuals. When not being discriminated against by those in LGBT groups, bi people are generally ignored.

I do have to say that it has opened up the dating possibilities.

I'm leaning towards being FtMale Androgynous (gender wise). I feel more like an "it" but still feel some masculinity left. Orientation wise, I'm attracted to men for the most part. I think I still may be bi-romantic but I don't know I never really had a good relationship with a girl yet. The best relationship I had was with a guy (way before I became trans though I identified as Androgynous back then) so..I'm probably still attracted to guys mostly. I feel like I could have a relationship with anyone just as long as they fit my standards (which are stll kind of unknown to me lol)