The nice thing about quiltbag (if you like it) is that each of the letters stands for more than one thing.

Quote from: Padma on September 21, 2012, 02:03:45 PM
The nice thing about quiltbag (if you like it) is that each of the letters stands for more than one thing.

Yeah, I like that part about it, too.

Quote from: Connie Anne on September 21, 2012, 12:46:11 PM
Here's the "alphabet soup" my daughter learned at college.

LGBTTQQIAAPOD:
Lesbian
Gay
Bisexual
Transsexual
Transgender
Queer
Questioning
Intersex
Asexual
Ally
Pansexual
Omnisexual
Demisexual

I prefer QUILTBAG for the extended acronym as it's pronounceable.

Missing T or 2S for Two Spirited.


Toronto Pride actually uses LGBTTIQQ2SA. Because apparently they want to drive everyone crazy. I'm still not convinced it isn't a joke.

Quote from: Sarah7 on September 21, 2012, 03:13:28 PM
Toronto Pride actually uses LGBTTIQQ2SA. Because apparently they want to drive everyone crazy. I'm still not convinced it isn't a joke.

Kinda makes one nostalgic for just "queer" which meant anything bigots objected to.

Quote from: agfrommd on September 21, 2012, 04:37:30 PM
Kinda makes one nostalgic for just "queer" which meant anything bigots objected to.

I usually describe myself as trans* and queer.

Yes, Queer seems to be universally understood. Androgyny takes at least 10 mins to explain.

Quote from: Connie Anne on September 21, 2012, 12:45:24 PM
I had once heard that putting the L first was preferable to counteract misogyny.

Ok, I really don't think the order of GLBT or TGLB or whatever you want to call it is a sort of misogynistic agenda. No need to be so sensitive, ladies.

Quote from: Jamie D on September 21, 2012, 12:44:19 PM
After the first five letters of acronyms, I get confused. 

How about the only elements that can form truly non-polar covalent bonds?
HONClBrIF (Pronounced "Honklebrif") 

As for the original question of this thread: Why should anyone care?

Quote from: Sarah7 on September 21, 2012, 03:13:28 PM

Quote from: Connie Anne on September 21, 2012, 12:46:11 PM
Here's the "alphabet soup" my daughter learned at college.

LGBTTQQIAAPOD:
Lesbian
Gay
Bisexual
Transsexual
Transgender
Queer
Questioning
Intersex
Asexual
Ally
Pansexual
Omnisexual
Demisexual

I prefer QUILTBAG for the extended acronym as it's pronounceable.

Missing T or 2S for Two Spirited.


Toronto Pride actually uses LGBTTIQQ2SA. Because apparently they want to drive everyone crazy. I'm still not convinced it isn't a joke.

The problem with both of those is that the purpose for having an acronym is to make something easy to remember, and easy to understand.

Having 12+ letters in anything--let alone an acronym--is generally hard to pronounce, let alone remember and understand.

LGBTQ or GLBTQ, as preferred by whoever is saying it, is adequate. If someone gets their panties in a wad over the order of the letter(s)...they need to CHILL OUT and consider the general public, for whom the acronym is intended. (Among ourselves, we know what those 12+ letters stand for, and how they're different...the public does not, nor is it inclined to spend 45 minutes listening to someone explaining)

imho

Quote from: Beth Andrea on September 21, 2012, 09:07:36 PM

If someone gets their panties in a wad over the order of the letter(s)...they need to CHILL OUT and consider the general public, for whom the acronym is intended. (Among ourselves, we know what those 12+ letters stand for, and how they're different...the public does not, nor is it inclined to spend 45 minutes listening to someone explaining)

imho

Un wadding my painties with a glass of wine right now. 















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Quote from: DianaP on September 21, 2012, 08:21:06 PM
Ok, I really don't think the order of GLBT or TGLB or whatever you want to call it is a sort of misogynistic agenda. No need to be so sensitive, ladies.

The interesting thing is that it was a straight woman who suggested to me the idea of putting the L first to fight misogyny. I never insisted that the letter order could be misogynistic. But, I can see the idea behind the argument that it is.

Quote from: DianaP on September 21, 2012, 08:21:06 PM
As for the original question of this thread: Why should anyone care?

I think that one possible answer is that identity politics are important to some people. To that end, the order of the letters can reinforce a political idea or ideal behind the acronym. For myself, I choose a simple way to describe my identity: trans* and queer. That works for me. For others whom I've known, it suffices to identify as human and leave it at that. Others still choose to me more precise or specific with their self-identifying.

We live in a time when there's less gender inequality than there used to be (but only 'less'). At the time that it was mooted to put the L first, the world was even more loaded in favour of men, so it made even more sense back then to try to adjust the loading wherever possible - hence, for a change, putting women first. Nowadays, we're more familiar with that happening a lot, but back then it was kind of radical.

That's how I've heard and read the history behind LGBT, anyway.

I think now I want to subscribe to the X-Men way of thinking. I am a mutant, morpher class. It's totally awesome :3

I totally related to the New Mutants when I was a young... whatever .

Quote from: Padma on September 23, 2012, 05:52:53 PM
I totally related to the New Mutants when I was a young... whatever .

X-men Evolution was awesome but they stopped the show before they got to the good stuff! Dang kids and their yugioh/and knockoff crap. No love for good shows >_>

It was all about hard copy for me. I got hooked on the New Mutants comics early in the 80's when they were just getting going. Dipped out for a bit, came back again and was shocked how many had been killed off. I thought it was great that they were dealing with being mutants and being teenagers at the same time - absolutely a metaphor for being trans (for me, anyway) .

I'm used to it being LGBT...to me any other way would seem awkward.

Ever noticed that all the GSA groups like with high schools and stuff never breach anything except gay straight and and allies? Thats how it was at my high school at least but LGBT is the term i learned first