Quote from: Cindi Jones on June 02, 2007, 03:02:18 PM

Quote from: Lori on June 01, 2007, 07:11:13 PM
I have never been able to reason with one, so I would have to say no.

There are people that I can't reason with! 

Cindi

Me2 come to think of it, but I meant Chickens are...food.

People are not...unless you believe in Soylent Green 


What I meant is chickens do not reason, think, they exist to eat and be eaten. They are at the bottom of the food chain. They are essential but not Sentient. I'm not even sure they they communicate with each other. They have almost no intelligence. Ignorance is bliss, so they are blissful, not sentient.

Quote from: Katia on May 30, 2007, 07:04:49 PM


they're as sentient as you are.

http://goveg.com/f-hiddenliveschickens_brainy.asp 

Hi Lori,

   Did you miss this post of Katia's? It makes you reconsider a little bit about chickens intelligence. You have to pay attention to the part where chickens have been proven to be at least as intelligent as Nascar race drivers.

   I don't agree about chickens being at the bottom of the food chain. I don't believe there is a bottom. I believe it is a continuous circle. Because, if you believe there is a bottom to the food chain, then my personal heros, the worms, would be lower than chickens. I can't ever think of worms as being anything other than dignified little creatures who are the most worthy of us all. I'm talking NightCrawlers.
   Call me weird, but I want to be a worm or a monkey.

Quote from: RebeccaFog on June 02, 2007, 08:04:17 PM
Hi Lori,
chickens have been proven to be at least as intelligent as Nascar race drivers.

   

They can only turn right?

Quote from: Lori on June 02, 2007, 09:12:17 PM

Quote from: RebeccaFog on June 02, 2007, 08:04:17 PM
Hi Lori,
chickens have been proven to be at least as intelligent as Nascar race drivers.

   

They can only turn right?

That was a good one.   

Um... I've been away for a while, and it looks like this thread has just gone clucking nuts.

Let's not get too worked up over this okay? I mean... really.

I've seen henpecking in a thread before, but this is ridiculous. Yikes.

Quote from: RebeccaFog on June 02, 2007, 08:04:17 PM
   Call me weird, but I want to be a worm or a monkey.

You're Weird.

Worms are hermaphrodytes.  No males or females.  Cool huh?

cindi

But they just have no backbone.

Yep.

Someday, I want to be a spineless hermaphroditic worm.

seriously.

Quote from: RebeccaFog on June 02, 2007, 05:54:52 PM
   I was just wondering, though, where do Tuna fish stand as a food item? It's not like we keep them caged and humiliated their whole life, as we do with fowl and mammals. Tuna fish are truly free up until the time of their capture. I don't know what this says about me, but it makes it easier for me to eat them.

I agree about that. Wild game is the best food.

Did you know that there is a guy who trains tuna? For science, see, to learn what tuna can learn and how they learn it. Anyway, the tuna are emotional things. If one of them 'thinks' it is going to recieve a reward and doesn't, it'll have a terrific tantrum, evidently feeling strongly angered and dismayed.

Quote from: Doc on June 03, 2007, 04:36:44 PM

Quote from: RebeccaFog on June 02, 2007, 05:54:52 PM
   I was just wondering, though, where do Tuna fish stand as a food item? It's not like we keep them caged and humiliated their whole life, as we do with fowl and mammals. Tuna fish are truly free up until the time of their capture. I don't know what this says about me, but it makes it easier for me to eat them.

I agree about that. Wild game is the best food.

Did you know that there is a guy who trains tuna? For science, see, to learn what tuna can learn and how they learn it. Anyway, the tuna are emotional things. If one of them 'thinks' it is going to recieve a reward and doesn't, it'll have a terrific tantrum, evidently feeling strongly angered and dismayed.

Angry Tuna, Sentient chickens, hermaphroditic worms. I'm beginning to enjoy this planet.   

Is this a trick question, home girl?

I'd say "yes", they are sentient.  In fact all animals are, unless of course, they are cooking in your oven! 

tink

Quote from: RebeccaFog on June 03, 2007, 05:50:35 PM
Angry Tuna, Sentient chickens, hermaphroditic worms. I'm beginning to enjoy this planet.   

Yeah, it's a very amusing planet.

To totally derail the thread, I must now mention that marine clownfishes are all born male. When they reach adulthood and pair off, one member of the pair, the more aggressive one, becomes female. No, this does not mean that we will get a movie called Finding Nemo II: Nemo's Transition in which Nemo falls in love and becomes a girl and, with her dad's support, copes with the reactions of the other reef-fishes who are from cisgendered species. Marine angelfishes are all born female and when they pair off the more aggressive partner becomes male.

Quote from: Doc on June 03, 2007, 07:26:27 PM

Quote from: RebeccaFog on June 03, 2007, 05:50:35 PM
Angry Tuna, Sentient chickens, hermaphroditic worms. I'm beginning to enjoy this planet.   

Yeah, it's a very amusing planet.

To totally derail the thread, I must now mention that marine clownfishes are all born male. When they reach adulthood and pair off, one member of the pair, the more aggressive one, becomes female. No, this does not mean that we will get a movie called Finding Nemo II: Nemo's Transition in which Nemo falls in love and becomes a girl and, with her dad's support, copes with the reactions of the other reef-fishes who are from cisgendered species. Marine angelfishes are all born female and when they pair off the more aggressive partner becomes male.

Fantastic.... though I feel I must change my song for the tuna.

Quote from: RebeccaFog on June 03, 2007, 02:10:48 PM
Yep.

Someday, I want to be a spineless hermaphroditic worm.

seriously.

That's easy...just get elected to Congress...

Quote from: Doc on June 03, 2007, 04:36:44 PM
Anyway, the tuna are emotional things. If one of them 'thinks' it is going to recieve a reward and doesn't, it'll have a terrific tantrum, evidently feeling strongly angered and dismayed.

Can't decide if this sounds like my co-workers, PETA or the Televangelist on channel 27...hmmm


It really doesn't matter if chickens are sentient or not...they are part of the great circle of life (queue The Lion King theme) and thus deserve a moment of thanks for their sacrifice in becoming this wonderful meal of chopped and formed dinosaur-shaped nuggets.  Of course, in an existential way, so do the potatoes who receive the sacraments of seasoning before they are plunged into the boiling hot oil of the deep fryer along their journey of transitioning into the beautiful waffle-fry they were born to be.

Besides...some of my best friends are spineless hermaphroditic worms...I call them "golf buddies"

......Laurie

Good ones, Laurie

Quote from: RebeccaFog on June 02, 2007, 08:04:17 PM

Quote from: Katia on May 30, 2007, 07:04:49 PM


they're as sentient as you are.

http://goveg.com/f-hiddenliveschickens_brainy.asp 

It makes you reconsider a little bit about chickens intelligence. You have to pay attention to the partwhere chickens have been proven to be at least as intelligent as Nascar race drivers.

Heh. Didn't quite work that way for me. Most creatures are, #1, at least as intelligent as Nascar race drivers, and #2, will prefer the food that kills pain.

Look again at this assertion: They understood cause and effect and learned how to make the best decision.

(In one experiment that explored chickens' understanding of causal relationships, researchers found that when injured chickens were offered the choice between regular food and food that contained a painkiller, the birds soon understood that the medicated food made them feel better, and they learned to seek it out it over the other choices. "The chickens will take the analgesic every time,"...)

Hope they didn't get too strung out on the dope.

tmw

Quote from: The Middle Way on June 05, 2007, 01:31:36 PM

Quote from: RebeccaFog on June 02, 2007, 08:04:17 PM

Quote from: Katia on May 30, 2007, 07:04:49 PM


they're as sentient as you are.

http://goveg.com/f-hiddenliveschickens_brainy.asp 

It makes you reconsider a little bit about chickens intelligence. You have to pay attention to the partwhere chickens have been proven to be at least as intelligent as Nascar race drivers.

Heh. Didn't quite work that way for me. Most creatures are, #1, at least as intelligent as Nascar race drivers, and #2, will prefer the food that kills pain.

Look again at this assertion: They understood cause and effect and learned how to make the best decision.

(In one experiment that explored chickens' understanding of causal relationships, researchers found that when injured chickens were offered the choice between regular food and food that contained a painkiller, the birds soon understood that the medicated food made them feel better, and they learned to seek it out it over the other choices. "The chickens will take the analgesic every time,"...)

Hope they didn't get too strung out on the dope.

tmw

   Even I would go for the doped food so I'm not surprised that chickens would choose it too especially since, compared to me, a chicken comes across as Albert Einstein.

   I would like to rephrase something I wrote earlier. This -

Quotechickens have been proven to be at least as intelligent as Nascar race drivers.

- is inaccurate. What I meant to say is that "chickens have been proven to be at least 15 times as intelligent as fans of Nascar race drivers."   

Hoo Ha

(I found this just now  )

Save the chickens (from hell)

Animal rights activists are trying to save chickens from hell.

Hell, as you may have suspected, is in South Carolina.

More specifically, it's on a chicken farm operated by monks, according to People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.

PETA claims the monks of Mepkin Abbey were operating some kind of egg-laying sweatshop. It says thousands of poor hens were crammed into small cages and periodically starved.

While starving certainly sounds unpleasant, a "brother" who appeared on a secretly taped PETA video compared it to fasting.

Fasting means to abstain from food, often in observance of a holy day. This, of course, is highly irregular behavior for a chicken.

While fasting can serve as an impetus for a deep spiritual experience, it apparently has the added benefit of causing hens to lay more eggs.

But the abbey chickens were allegedly forced to observe this religious practice rather than participating of their own free will.

While this may cross some ethical line in the land of religious freedom, it doesn't actually kill the chicken. And you know the ancient Chinese proverb: "That which does not kill the chicken, makes the chicken stronger."

The alleged sins of these monks pall in comparison to certain other religious groups in the South, who are said to actually roll the chickens in batter and fry them — all without the birds' permission.

It's only a matter of time before PETA tries to videotape this Wednesday-night practice of forced chicken sacrifice.

I could speak more on this matter, but my membership in a secret fried-chicken sect requires a vow of silence. I can add, however, that it involves no fasting on the part of either the chicken or the brethren.

Meanwhile back at the hen house, the Trappist monks of South Carolina deny that they are mistreating their chickens.

"They are very hurt by all this," abbey spokeswoman Mary Jeffcoat said of the monks.

Maybe it's time for the two groups to meet in an ecumenical dialogue. Perhaps they could begin by agreeing that hell is no place for man nor chicken.



from another forum, the same topic:

What the hell?

This astonishing piece of heresy can in no way be justified:

"I just don't respect chickens very much. I don't consider them to be individuals who can have meaningful preferences about their own futures. A chicken has preferences about the here and now, but it doesn't have preferences about its future existence. A chicken isn't capable of conceiving of itself as a self over time. So, as long as the chicken doesn't suffer, it can't matter to the chicken whether it has a long life or a short one."

This scurrilous bit of anti-chickenhood must be squashed immediately. Death to all who differ! Death! Death! Death!

_{Posted by Heidi at January 17, 2006 10:29 PM}

Isn't capable or chooses not to conceive of itself? The buddhist finds only burden in the pondering of his/her past or future. So something or someone that can live with such peace and happiness should be respected by all. And jesus do they taste good.

_{Posted by: Brandon at January 19, 2006 10:19 PM}

yeah, well, I am easily amused. Not as easily as a chicken, maybe, but...

what hey, this just in, from the Wiki entry, Diyu

(Part of a series on
Hell / Underworld)

Diyu (Traditional Chinese: 地獄; Simplified Chinese: 地狱; Hanyu Pinyin: Dìyù; Wade-Giles: Ti-yü; Japanese: 地獄, jigoku, literally "earth prison") is the realm of the dead or "hell" in Chinese mythology.

"... terminologies related to hell:

油鍋 - the deep frying wok, one of the tortures in hell."

* * *

Well I don't wanna be no chicken (I been thru there and done that, and now it's time to break that yoke/yolk), and they say you are what you eat, so...

I DONNO.... 

tmcw