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my sister(and soon my family) does not accept me

Started by Jake_to_Jackie, June 05, 2007, 09:52:37 PM

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Keira


That's a plan, but probably a very very short term one.
I don't know if you every planned on going to college or university,
if not, then I suppose this plan is as good as the next one.
But, if you did before, it could be a lot harder on your own.

Anyway, if it is going to be a living hell at home, that's something else I suppose; but living on subsiistence wages (Wallmart is that kind) is a hard slog for anyone, for a transitioning TS, even harder.

I'm sorry if I'm all doom and gloom; maybe its all good, since I don't know your exact situation, I can't know for sure.


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seldom

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Quote from: Jake_to_Jackie on June 07, 2007, 01:33:43 AM
your all right and i was not planning on running away. I was more planning to find a apartment with my dear freind sarah(shirley)shell be getting a job at wal-mart and i make 226 that will give use enough to go halfs on a good apartment right?
I would not plan on getting a job at Wal-Mart.  There are better places you can work. 

I have to agree with Cindi.  Try to find a way to get into college.  If you are in school do not drop out.

Transitioning on wal-mart wages is not a way to live, and honestly they are the LAST retailer you should work for if you are transitioning. 



http://walmartwatch.com/blog/archives/falling_behind_the_curve_partnership_benefits_non_discrimination_policies_a/
and
http://www.hrc.org/Template.cfm?Section=Search_the_Database&Template=/CustomSource/WorkNet/srch_dtl.cfm&srchtype=QS&searchid=1&orgid=1192

Be smart about this.  A college education makes a bigger difference in the life of a trans person than anybody else.  Transition is expensive, and being rash about this aspect of your life is unwise. 

Wal-Mart is BELOW subsistence wages.  Paying for rent and food will seem impossible.  It is not enough to live on, nonetheless transition on.  Transitioning is an expensive process.  Wal-Mart's healthcare benefits are also terrible and they do not cover transition costs.  If you need to work retail I suggest your best bet is best buy or walgreens, their health care covers everything but surgery, which will help you with costs when the time is right to start.  They are also both trans friendly retailers, which means non-discrimination policies. 
http://www.hrc.org/Template.cfm?Section=Search_the_Database&Template=/CustomSource/WorkNet/srch_dtl.cfm&srchtype=QS&searchid=1&orgid=14335
http://www.hrc.org/Template.cfm?Section=Search_the_Database&Template=/CustomSource/WorkNet/srch_dtl.cfm&srchtype=QS&searchid=1&orgid=989

You are doing this young, and you are risking quite a bit by doing this young.  Your best bet is to take out some educational loans and go to college and work part time.  You can get therapy through a college that is very inexpensive.  Being a trans student has advantages.   The medical and therapy issues will be easier to deal with and college campuses are ideal places to transition.

This is going to be very hard!  As Cindi said, be smart. 

You do not have to overplan (as I did), but you need to plan.   

As it was stated you are at risk right now.  Be careful as you may be pushing yourself further from your goal as Sarah suggested, being rash is unwise.  Everybody in the trans community knows the risks presented to those who transition young without a college education.   

I hope for the best.  But now is the time to plan.  It will be a difficult stretch for awhile.    Do not fall into the abyss.

You are very brave.  When I was your age I was very scared.  I hope the best for you. 

I know how you are feeling now.  I know the anger, the bitterness, the depression, everything.
But do not let that force you to make poor decisions. 
I have a happy ending to my friend who is a transman.  While his parents still do not "get" the trans thing, they welcomed him back into the house and he is going to college to be a clinical social worker (a therapist). He is working for UPS and will be starting HRT soon. There is still hope. It may not be perfect situation in the future, but any situation is better than living on the streets and turning to prostitution.   

My heart is with you.  Be smart, be strong, be brave. 
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Furball

My parents just recently found out, and they strongly hate my decision...And I don't even like it here anymore..So I am just about in the same boat as you...All they do is stress me about college and now this...
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Suzy

Quote from: Jake_to_Jackie on June 07, 2007, 01:33:43 AM
your all right and i was not planning on running away. I was more planning to find a apartment with my dear freind sarah(shirley)shell be getting a job at wal-mart and i make 226 that will give use enough to go halfs on a good apartment right?

Jackie,
Please do think long term.  No it is probably not enough, when you consider everything like a car, insurance, and all sorts of other expenses.  Plus what about your plans for LU?  You've just gotta get that sheepskin to have a chance to live the life you ultimately want to live.  Your zest is fun, but don't let it carry you away, little sis.  Put on your wig and think!  And let me know if you need me.

Kristi
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Renae.Lupini

I have to laugh at how everyone suddenly goes into "Mommy" mode with the younger posters. lol

Being a teenager is hard enough and when they don't get their own way they tend to freak out and overreact just a tad. I am also sure that parents in these situations are pulling the "my house. my rules" thing. Teens without any real world experience need to understand the harshness of the real world but the only way to do that is to go out and go through it.

Adults need to understand that just because someone is young that they don't know what they are doing. The thing about teens is everything is driven my emotion and not logic for the most part. Teens should learn how to discuss things without getting emotionally over-dramatic. Adults should be more open to allowing teens to do what they feel is best for them instead of trying to push them into a particular mold they aren't ready for.
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Wendy

Jackie,

It is in the realm of possibilities that you told your sister and your sister told your mom and your mom told your dad before you had a chance to tell your mom.  Everyone has to act surprised otherwise you would know that each person shared your secret.

Moms tend to have unconditional love for their children.  They will try to protect you.  They do not want you to get hurt.

I happen to believe we can pray for guidance or wisdom or maybe just find someone we can trust and help us along the way. 

Do give your mom more than a few days.  Do tell your mom you love her and then expect no comment in return.  Do consider going to college or a trade school.

I am sorry your mom lashed out at you and I pray that your family loves, helps and accepts you.

W
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Keira


I don't think we are being overly mommy Renae, we can only go by what was said; and the consequences of leaving home and not getting a proper education are very real indeed these days for anybody and certainly for a TS. There are too many examples of this having had not so good result for TS's in general to not giving a warning. I think, not speaking out about it would be irresponsible; It is better in this case to overstate than to understate.

When somebody is emotional, and a teen, they often want guidance so much to sort out their inner turmoil; mentors at that age are something I wish I had. 

Since, we are not there, we cannot be a surrogate parent or even mentors, but we can do our best to provide a calming voice that offers other options to a current crisis.
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Suzy

No I don't believe we're being overly "mommy" either, though I agree with much of what you said.  I happen to know that Jackie comes from a wonderful home with a mother who loves her very much.  And she is really nice in person.  I wish her the best.

Kristi
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Renae.Lupini

I wasn't saying that what was offered for advice was wrong or misleading. I was making an observation of how those of us in the older folks category instantly assume we know what is best for the younger folks. It has nothing to do with being TS or otherwise. It is a generational thing. I saw it happen in the Marine Corps all of the time. My grandmother still does it to me. It is just the way it happens. We get the experience and we have been there and done that so we want the best for the younger folks. But no matter how much we try to guide them into a certain direction, they still have the option to agree or disagree.

It is this point of disagreement (being TG, curfew, friends, music, clothes, etc) that spirals out of control because neither side will take the time to understand the point of view of the one another. the point what I was trying to make was that kids (22 and younger) shouldn't be pushed into things they may not want to do. Offering them options and providing the benefits of one over another is where it should stop.

Telling kids "You have to..." or "You will, because ... " gives them no options and just makes them feel trapped. No matter how good the intentions are, the way something is said may overshadow what is actually being said. Kids do need guidance and nurturing but they also need the ability to make choices so that they are given the opportunity to learn from mistakes they might make.

:)
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Wendy

Quote from: Renae Lupini on June 07, 2007, 11:21:39 AM
It is this point of disagreement (being TG, curfew, friends, music, clothes, etc) that spirals out of control because neither side will take the time to understand the point of view of the one another. the point what I was trying to make was that kids (22 and younger) shouldn't be pushed into things they may not want to do. Offering them options and providing the benefits of one over another is where it should stop.

Telling kids "You have to..." or "You will, because ... " gives them no options and just makes them feel trapped. No matter how good the intentions are, the way something is said may overshadow what is actually being said. Kids do need guidance and nurturing but they also need the ability to make choices so that they are given the opportunity to learn from mistakes they might make.

Sometimes we do not get a second chance to learn from our mistakes.  I personally know more than one teenager that lost their life while drinking and driving.  I also know of innocent teenagers that were killed while they were sober by other people that were drinking.  Many parents made lots and lots of mistakes and only want their children not to get hurt.  Proper communication is difficult when emotions get involved.  However it is good to cool off and then give each party another chance.  Sit tight, cool off and give people that you love a second chance.  Parents make mistakes too.

W
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Keira


I second Wendy's advice of giving the parent's a bit of time.

My mother actually said she'd prefer I'd be suicidal than a TS!!!!!!!
That's a bit worse than what was said in your case, hey!!
She was very aggressive with me then.

Well, very quickly she turned around after a period of high aggressivity
and now she's the most supportive mom on earth (at least that's how I see her :-).

While most mistakes can be easily fixed, some are worse than others in their possible consequences (driving drunk is amongst the worse one); those consequences sometimes cannot be fixed easily or at all. These are the ones were cautionary tales can be usefull; but they have limits since teens think that they are different from all that came before (later, we learn that it is not the case).



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seldom

It is true that young people have to live thier own life.
But there is also the truth about young transitioners.  Many turn to prostitution, many run away, many die young.

Yes young people can make thier own decisions and thier own mistakes.  But as a community it is a damn good idea that those of us who are older offer advice and support.  I know pretty well how the rest of the LGBT community works, the support systems in place, the ideas that are spread.  You know how that community grew up, and gained more influence: they went to college.  The college education rates amoung gays are significantly higher then the rest of the population.

Its tough being trans, there is no question about it.  But we need to reinforce some ideas in the community so kids stop falling through the cracks when they have to leave.  I have seen the safety net of the lesbian and gay communities.  How there is an informal network of halfway houses accross the country for kids to escape too.  We are just begining to form these networks.  But above all else we need to enforce the message that the gay community has done a wonderful job in communicating: being queer is much easier with a college education.

This is even more true for those of us who are trans. 

This is not a been there done that mentality.  This is a mentality of we need to stop the cycle of poverty and degradation that happens to young transitioners, and here is a way to do it. 

We need to create support systems, but also a clear dialog and message, that there is a better way, that transitioning young does not have to mean a life of degradation, poverty and prostitution.  That education is worth it, and maybe your best option to transition.

Going to college if you get kicked out is not motherly advice, it is common sense that the rest of the queer community caught onto years ago.  It is about time we spell out this advice to young transitioners: the best place to transition is not on the streets, but on a college campus. 

I think going to college is really a HAVE TO as it stands for younger transitioners until American society grows up.  As sad as this sounds, there really is no other option.  Because the other options are so bad, they often result in a life of disease, degradation, poverty, and prostitution.  I think all images of trans people we would like to shed as a community.  I would like the image of a young transitioner to be somebody who gets through college and gets to live a full life as thier target gender.

The truth is the burden is on US as well.  It is time we start putting forth the support systems, be it financially through funding scholarships, or through other methods.  As it stands this may be the biggest failure of deep stealth.  Once somebody who is in a position of financial advantage transitions, they fail to support the community in any other way.  The truth is this is a community that is in DESPERATE need of the comprehensive support system the gay and lesbian community has created for itself.  This is where I am going to say that there is a failure of responsibility.  All the trans community often has is each other, every one of us has a responsibility to help in the ways we can. But the truth is that rarely happens.  If you are deep stealth, and can afford to give to a trans shelter or scholarship...let that be the way you help.  I could go on, but there is a failure of community with transsexuals. We need to offer a better support system and safety net.  And once we transition, we still need to contribute, in fact I think those that can and have transition successfully have a responsibility to contribute in some way to the community (either through volunteering time, services or money).  It does not have to be at the sacrafice of abandoning stealth, but it still needs to happen.  We need to stop young transitioners from turning to the streets.   

I could go on, but the truth is, as it stands.  We do have a responsibility to offer advice to Jackie, so she does not fall into the common traps of a young transitioner.  We have a responsibility to help. Advice is all we have.  The best advice is for her to go to college. Because the truth is, at this moment in time, we may be the closest thing to family she has and that is the best advice we can offer. 
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Jake_to_Jackie

ok dangerous things are happening. First off they think im a freak. And that my desiosion will ruin this family. I dont know my self and. I am only doing this because A: my freinds are pushing me into doing it and be i saw it on TV??? i am very very scared they are telling me i hav to go to a shrink. Snd telling me i have to throw away all my clouthes and my wig(sorry kristi) and that i am unable to do this ever again as long as i am under there roof. THat what i am doing is the equevelent to being adiccted to drugs. And that I am unable to hang out with all my gay and lesbian freinds(this includes my ister like freind sarah) And the one thing they told me that i could not exoplain to them was they asked"why do you feel you have to dressup in dresses. I mean you can have women like features but the only reason you would dressup is just for attention to get attention from people good or bad" and i did not know how to explain it please someone help me to know how to explain this


your panicking sister...who there is a chance will be unable to be your siser soon :(
Jackie
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seldom

Believe it or not going to the psychiatrist can be helpful.  It may be the one person who will listen to you, and your parents will listen to.

I would say take up any offer to see a therapist. It could be the best way to resolve this peacefully. 
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sarahb

Ok. What you need to do is print out some information about transsexualism and give it to them. If they refuse to read it continue to present it to them until they do. Stay strong and firm in your decision and yourself and don't let them break you down. You're past the point of reconning with them and need to take a firm stand for your position so that they can see your not delusional or doing this for attention or any other BS like that. If they are able to read about it and see that it's an actual medically proven condition that is not a choice then maybe they will come around. I so wish I could be there and support you and smack some sense into your family. It makes me so mad when I see parents, or anyone for that matter, treat people who are different than them like this.

Also, refute their arguments. Ask them how this will "ruin the family." Ask them to explain why you would hide this from them, society, and yourself for so long if it was just something you're doing for attention. Just make sure to portray confidence in yourself and who you are so they don't take advantage of your "weakness" of not being able to stand up for what you feel.

I am so sad for you right now and I hope your family will be able to get past their bigotry. If you need anything feel free to contact me and let me know.

:( Sarah

Quote from: Amy T. on June 08, 2007, 12:28:25 AM
Believe it or not going to the psychiatrist can be helpful.  It may be the one person who will listen to you, and your parents will listen to.

I would say take up any offer to see a therapist. It could be the best way to resolve this peacefully. 

I agree, but make sure that the person is qualified to handle TS and is not there just to try and convince you otherwise.
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MeghanAndrews

Hey Jackie, I definitely agree with what Sarah said about 1) not just leaving quickly and making a rash decision and 2) getting a gender therapist vs. just a regular therapist with no experience in gender at all. I also think sitting down and having level-headed conversations with each parent separately might help. Maybe Mom is a little supportive until Dad get into her head or vice versa. They may have decided "together" to put up this united front together. They need to understand 1) this isn't you trying to get attention and 2) this isn't going to go away. The results of them pushing you away will do more to "ruin the family" than you staying and working things out. They don't need to like it or even understand it, but you are there child and a child needs love and support. They should see the pain you are in and let that drive them.

Then again, I'm telling you all of this and I haven't even told my parents yet, that's next week. So, be strong Jackie, don't just storm out of the house with no roof over your head. Your gender issues aren't going anywhere sweetie, you can work them out with time a lot better with a roof over your head than not. I know it's tough, but hang in there! Meghan
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Keira


Maybe she thinks were all freeks or something.
Its a common misconception, pointing her towards the web site of successfull TS women, there is even a list with photos of them, on one of the sites, could help.

If you parents love you, and I believe they do, there is a good chance they'll turn around, or at least take your feelings into consideration and reluctantly support you.
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seldom

Trust me, some people keep with the misconceptions.
But a good gender therapist can smooth things over with your family.  Family sessions are a clear option for you.   

A good therapist in general who does not discount TS can help as well. 
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Jake_to_Jackie

thanks and yea o guess it wold only help to speak with a professional. And i am only hieing this till my grand parents pass on then i am free i guess it would be respectful to them to let them believe what they want to believe. And by the way im not hiding it from my friends. And im not hiding it from you guys i will post on the fourm and tell you every thing just as normal.

love your proud sister
Jackie
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Suzy

Jackie,

So sorry things did not go well in your talk with your mom and dad.  I know you are devastated right now.  Do realize that your parents' dreams, their plans for you, their preconceived notions, have all just gone out the window.  Of course they will act out.  It is a big loss to them and they will fight to hold on.  Grief does that in the beginning.  What happens after that is still up in the air, but will depend at least partly on you.   I am so glad you have friends who do accept you, both online and in person.  I hope you can arrange to donate your beautiful new things to someone rather than trashing them.  But either way, it is time for a counselor.  I think you'll probably have to go to the nearest big city to find one who does gender counseling, though.  Please let me hear from you soon.

Peace,
Kristi
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