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Bev went Live At Work today....YEAH!!!!!

Started by Ms Bev, June 14, 2007, 11:32:23 PM

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Kate

Quote from: Bev on June 19, 2007, 08:10:14 AM
     1.)  I'm too far 'out there'....meaning I'm more developed than the other females I work with.

Not sure what that means?

Quote2.)  I should wear a padded bra so they don't see the outline of my nipples through my top.

Well true, always a good idea ;)

Quote3.)  They can see the straps of my bra through my white top.

Maybe a cami then? Or are they protesting at seeing ANYTHING female about your clothing?

Quote4.)  I'm going to affect sales with the same customers they sell to.

If anything, it sounds like they're going to *increase*, as customers love you!

Quote5.)  I look like a man in women's clothes to them, and am going to have a hard time selling.

It takes time for people who knew you as a male to see you as a female. And even then, some people just can't get that old image out of their head, no matter HOW perfectly female you look. They fear customers will see you as they do, but that's generally just not true. Customers will just continue to see the beautiful Bev ;)

~Kate~
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Ms Bev

Quote from: Kate on June 19, 2007, 10:22:45 AM
Quote from: Bev on June 19, 2007, 08:10:14 AM
     1.)  I'm too far 'out there'....meaning I'm more developed than the other females I work with.

Not sure what that means?

Quote2.)  I should wear a padded bra so they don't see the outline of my nipples through my top.

Well true, always a good idea ;)

Quote3.)  They can see the straps of my bra through my white top.

Maybe a cami then? Or are they protesting at seeing ANYTHING female about your clothing?

Quote4.)  I'm going to affect sales with the same customers they sell to.

If anything, it sounds like they're going to *increase*, as customers love you!

Quote5.)  I look like a man in women's clothes to them, and am going to have a hard time selling.

Customers will just continue to see the beautiful Bev ;)

~Kate~



Kate, thanks for you last statement.  What do I mean?  My breasts are larger than the rest, and well formed.  A cami?  That won't hide my nipples, they are too pronounced at the tips.  A padded bra?  It would have to be so padded, it would just make me 'protrude' more, which is also offensive. Yes, they are protesting all things about me as I see about them, except the prominant nipples, which, by the way, Marcy luvs, and are geneticly programmed.  So, the inequality here is that in their ignorant minds, I have no right to posess female physical traits, as I am not "female"

Funny, about 95% of my customers do.  Those who don't don't ask, but are happy with my services.  One interesting case.....a return customer came in, from when I presented as Mike.  He said "you remember me?  I had a very tall guy with me.  He's my son, and he's gay.  I hope you don't mind, but I asked him if you were gay, and he said:  No, Dad....Mike is really a woman."  I said "I hope you didn't make a bet with him".  He sighed, and said, yeah, I did".  I patted his arm, and said, "Well, Dad.....better get you wallet out".  He nodded, and said "Yeah, I can see that now".  I was in female clothes this time.

So, those are just some customer interatctions.  The rest is miserable.  I should have a name tag that says "Bev, company pariah".

Okay, enough self pity.  I'm in a good safe place to finally do my RLT, which I thought I didn't need, but I really need to work on my female inflections, etc..  After that, I might just try to find a position elsewhere, and go semi-stealth.  The good news:  We have one of the very best workplace diversity policies in the country, which explicitly lists gender identity as one of the protected categories.
Quote from: Rachel on June 19, 2007, 10:11:34 AM
You see, if they mess with your sales, destroy theirs.  Karma is a B**ch, and if they screw with you, they should get it back tenfold.  Vengence is kinda fun sometimes.

lol, but im just a Vindictive woman sometimes


Well, Rachel, my philosophy when mistreated has always been "A Head For An Eye.  ;)
1.) If you're skating on thin ice, you might as well dance. 
Bev
2.) The more I talk to my married friends, the more I
     appreciate  having a wife.
Marcy
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Rachel

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Jillieann Rose

Hi Bev,
I think there just jealous.
You did okay as a man but are a real knock out as a woman.
All that complaining about thinks that most men hope to see. >:D
There just jealous.
Man woman the torpedoes and full speed ahead. :)
Don't hid what you got. Just be yourself.
Hugs,
Jillieann
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Ms Bev

Well, I've kept from posting on this thread the past week, and I'm glad I did.  Things have changed for the better, mostly. 
My best friend is still my best friend, and that means the world to me.
Of the 15 or so other salespeople, there are 3 who flat out hate this. 
All 4 of the other people in my own department are totally supportive, and life goes on as it did before, with the exception that they all call me Bev, usually, or sometimes Beverly, and almost never mess up the pronouns, and are striving for perfection.  One of them calls me Mike once in a great while, when no one else is there to hear, but hardly ever.  He also refers to me as Bev when he calls on the phone, even though there is no one there to be a reason to do so.  He has just accepted me as Bev, and now asks quite a few questions. Very inquisitive, and quite bright, he is one of the few people who look at me carefully, and see female, not male.  Another young salesman in my old department was talking to me yesterday, and suddenly said, "Bev....you really are a woman.....it's true, isn't it?"  I told him that's what I've been trying to tell him all along.  Now he GETS it.
I could not ask for more support on that front....my own department.  In the department I just left, I am sort of, to somewhat supported.  Some make an effort to refer to me as Bev, and she.  One person there, who has bothered to look into ts recently calls me Bev or Beverly, and she or her EVERY time.  A surprise:  In that same department, the ex-cop who was dissing the ts community before he knew I was ts, has turned out to be quite a nice guy.  He didn't go back to our previous conversation, but has been very obviously 'pro' Bev with the people he works with, and treats me with friendly respect, the same as before. He always refers to me as Bev, and she, or her.  Mostly we talk about work, and our families.  I would never have guessed that would happen.
The managers are uniformly friendly, accepting, and professional, and call me Bev, and use appropriate pronouns.

So, out of 15 salespeople, I have 5 people who totally support me, 7 people who somewhat support me, and 3 hate, me.

Now....about the customers:  I am usually seen as a woman, without question.  I am sometimes looked at as a woman....but....maybe not?  Depends on the day.  Then, there was one day that I got 'sirr'ed' all  damned day!  My therapist asked how that made me feel....."How?.....Frustrated!, that's how".  Then, the very next day, I was ma'amed all day.
One interesting thing happened:  A customer of mine from several weeks ago came back to see me.  We spoke a bit, then I gently pointed out to her that I might look a little different (well....yah! lol).  She smiled, and I showed her my new name tag.  She said, "well, congratulations Beverly!  Do you have a new business card for me so I can throw the old one away?"  I was stunned.  Happy, calm, but....stunned.
There were more than a few days where I could not hook up with a single person for lunch.  Meanwhile, I got the local mall food court servers at the Chinese place to get used to serving Bev.  They saw the name tag, but were still unsure.  So, one day, I paid with a credit card with Bev's name on it.  What a lot of chatter that started!  The next day, they called me 'Miss', and  have given me appropriately smaller portions since.

It's all been quite a roller coaster ride.  One day, I want off the coaster, the next, I can't imagine why I would want off.  In any case, there's no going back.  This is a one-way ride.


Bev, hangin' in there
1.) If you're skating on thin ice, you might as well dance. 
Bev
2.) The more I talk to my married friends, the more I
     appreciate  having a wife.
Marcy
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Ms.Behavin

Very cool Bev.  Welcome to full time,  It does get better and better too. 

Like your Head for an Eye statement too. 

Be good

Beni

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Maebh

Quote from: Bev on July 01, 2007, 10:06:05 PM


It's all been quite a roller coaster ride.  One day, I want off the coaster, the next, I can't imagine why I would want off.  In any case, there's no going back.  This is a one-way ride.


Bev, hangin' in there[/color]

Enjoy!

HLLL&R

Maebh
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Suzy

Bev, I can't tell you how proud and how jealous of you I am!    You are such a woman of strength and courage.  I think you have an awesome attitude and will do just fine.  Your transition, compared to some others I have known about, has gone so well.  But it is not because of your company's policies.  It is because you are who you are.  Obviously, this was not a big surprise to some of your co-workers.  Others will have to get used to it.  Before you know it, this will be a non-event.   I know you will settle into a working wardrobe that will work great for you.  Can't wait to hear what it is!

Thanks, sister, for being strong and brave, even if you don't always feel like it.  You are awesome, a real inspiration to us.

Peace,
Kristi
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Ms Bev

Quote from: Beni on July 01, 2007, 10:48:19 PM
Very cool Bev.  Welcome to full time,  It does get better and better too. 


Thanks so much, Beni.  Full time is a way different world than part time.  Thanks for the support girl!

Bev


Posted on: July 02, 2007, 03:09:07 PM
Quote from: Maebh on July 01, 2007, 11:14:11 PM

Enjoy!

HLLL&R

Maebh

Thanks, Maebh.

Bebheairlí go Brách!


Posted on: July 02, 2007, 03:34:28 PM
Quote from: Kristi on July 01, 2007, 11:36:14 PM
Bev, I can't tell you how proud and how jealous of you I am!    You are such a woman of strength and courage.  I think you have an awesome attitude and will do just fine.  ..................

Thanks, sister, for being strong and brave, even if you don't always feel like it.  You are awesome, a real inspiration to us.

Peace,
Kristi

Wow, Kristi.....Thanks so much for being there, providing support and encouragement.
.......those are such powerful statements.  I only hope I can live up to them. 



Bev
1.) If you're skating on thin ice, you might as well dance. 
Bev
2.) The more I talk to my married friends, the more I
     appreciate  having a wife.
Marcy
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Maebh

Quote from: Bev on July 02, 2007, 03:40:25 PM

Bebheairlí go Brách!

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Maith thú Bebheaili   :eusa_clap:
For sure and no stopping her either! :icon_weee 
Go n-éirí do bhóthar leat . Bail ó Dhia ort   :icon_hug:

HLLL&R

Maebh
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