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"Passing too well"/being knocked down a peg

Started by Xren, September 01, 2013, 05:05:38 PM

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Xren

Preamble: I didn't want to come back here begging for advice, and I didn't think I would have to.

I do not have the IRL social support I thought I did.  Things have happened which, after seeing them for what they are, frankly shook my faith in humanity even more than it has already been shaken.

People in my life have been acting against me for passing too well.

I started to see this when I discovered that my own mother had been using female pronouns on me and misgendering me behind my back for several years, and I'm sure she continues to do so.  The few times I have confronted her on it have led to some hideous fights, if not outright ironclad denial and refusal to engage.  And she clearly knows how much correct pronouns matter to me, given that I have discussed the matter with her ad nauseam for almost as long as she has known that I am trans.  She had claimed to be supportive, but I do not know to what degree she still is in deed (not merely in word.)  She seems to want nothing more than to wash her hands of me.  The farther I have gone in transition, the more implicit disgust she seems to express towards me, while simultaneously trying to hide it.

I have reason to believe that some or most of my friends from highschool or onward had been outing me behind my back as well, once I had reached a point where I passed as cismale completely.  Some of these outings may or may not have been the result of bad breakups.  I've had a lot.  It is complicated to explain, because it is insidious and subtle, but someone or some-ones have been making an effort to undermine my attempts at stealth, and by extension, autonomy.

It seemed conspiratorial to me at first too.  The more I have investigated, tried and second-guessed, the more it has become clear to me that it is not.

So I am asking for tactical suggestions.  Plans of action, social maneuvers, strategies, to escape what looks like some kind of underhanded catchment system while keeping my sanity, pride and sense of self intact.  Even looking back on the posts I've made here in the past, the conundrums are mostly attributable, in retrospect, to passive-aggressive manipulation from my family and so-called friends/lovers.

What do I do, what moves do I make, what variables do I have to consider and what liabilities/weak spots do I have to guard?

(P.S.  I am still seeing a therapist as recommended for...everything.)
I've had no caffeine but I'm wired
The computer goes whizz-click and beep
It's twelve and I'm not even tired...
So WHY in the [SQUEELP] should I sleep?
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spacerace

People are going to out you. You can't escape it.

If you want to be completely stealth, move and cut off connections.

Now, your family doing it is unacceptable - but there are no social strategies for getting other people to ignore the fact you are trans. It is a tasty morsel of gossip for people who have nothing better to do than talk about others. 

The best way to handle it is to be nice to everybody and act understanding. Be the bigger person, and sit down and have a serious chat with your Mom.
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sneakersjay

This is not acceptable.  Not that you can stop people who are bent on outing you, but I would seriously send the following link (or print it if you have to) to those in your life who are doing this, especially family and friends.  It is NOT OK.  The main reason being safety, as trans people can be targeted, beaten, and even killed.  Besides, it makes them look like douches.  Seriously.

I am out in the trans community, and only out where I had to be (work, family, friends).  I NEVER out other trans people, even if they are totally out.  Not my place to tell others who is trans or who is not, even to other trans people.  I will change details of stories I'm telling slightly so as not to out someone. 

Do I think I have never been outed behind my back?  No, I'm sure coworkers have informed new coworkers.  But it is never discussed openly; I'm out as a gay man and open about that.  But I never discuss my trans history even with those who know, unless in private or a trans group setting.

Sorry this is happening to you.  People can be cruel.

http://americantransman.com/2012/04/18/14-reasons-why-its-not-okay-to-out-someone-as-trans-a-public-service-announcement-from-your-friendly-neighborhood-trans-person/


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dalebert

It makes sense to give family some time to adjust and come to terms with it. I believe the idea is that it took a while for you to accept it about yourself most likely, so give them at least as much time as you needed. That said, if it's been years and they're showing no progress, that IMHO amounts to abusive behavior. And it's very unhealthy to maintain relationships with people who are abusive to you.

MariaMx

With people bent on outing you I don't even think a credible death-threat would be enough to keep their mouths shut. Cis-people will almost always think there's nothing wrong with outing us and they often disagree with my reasons not to do so when I confront them about it. 50% of all the people you meet are bellow average and most above aren't much better either.
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musicofthenight

Quote from: Xren on September 01, 2013, 05:05:38 PM

The few times I have confronted her on it have led to some hideous fights, if not outright ironclad denial and refusal to engage.  And she clearly knows how much correct pronouns matter to me, given that I have discussed the matter with her ad nauseam for almost as long as she has known that I am trans.  She had claimed to be supportive, but I do not know to what degree she still is in deed (not merely in word.)  She seems to want nothing more than to wash her hands of me.  The farther I have gone in transition, the more implicit disgust she seems to express towards me, while simultaneously trying to hide it.


I hate to say it, but I think you'll need to put disowning her on the table.  Don't argue, inform her that this matters for your physical safety and mental health.  And if she cannot respect those things, you'll take steps (moving without leaving a forwarding address, restraining order, etc.) to protect yourself.
What do you care what other people think? ~Arlene Feynman
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Xren

[EDITED: TRIGGER WARNING for this whole post.  In case.]

Also, longpost is long.

In response to all those who have responded (redundant I know, ha ha,) I thank you for giving perspective to this strange predicament.  I intend to take measures to establish more autonomy than I currently have, whether my mother likes it or not.  In the long run, I didn't want to believe that my mom, or anyone, would willingly lie or go behind another person's back.  Call me naive, or even maybe autistic (though that is very un-PC to say, I'm sorry,) but I have to survive in this world and it is very difficult to know what is real and what is not, especially when so much of my support network seems to depend on my living up to unspoken standards that I am just magically supposed to intuit.

(I have spoken with the aforementioned therapist about this, and we have both agreed that I have to live by my own standards even if it produces anxiety, which it will.  Can't be half-gangsta.)

In response to androidnick, et alia who want to clarify things, I am twenty-five years old.  I have been out to my family (mom, both stepdads, grandparents, aunts/uncles, etc.) since I was approximately eighteen.  They know.  My maternal and paternal grandparents, both my (maternal) aunts (mom's sister and mom's brother's wife) and one of my uncles (mom's brother,) also my one male cousin on my mom's sister's side, have seen me, identifying as male, wearing men's clothes, full beard, male name and all...and they still seem to use female pronouns behind my back.  My mom was lamenting my lack of contact with my grandmother after my grandpa died, and she wanted me to write a letter to my grandma.  Being a person who loved the written word, and who was seen as incredibly gifted IN the written word, I steeled myself and wrote a letter to her, to try to stay in contact.  My mother had told me that my grandmother would appreciate it so much, AND that grandma had finally come around to fully accepting me as the man that I am.  I wrote and sent that letter.  And several months later, (as I am being kicked out of my mom's basement for standing up to her, pretty much,) Mom gives me a card from grandma.  She's finally written me back.  And all I see are FEMALE PROUNOUNS all over that thing, as though none of this acceptance bull->-bleeped-<- even HAPPENED.

But what did I expect?  I was living in the basement of a man whose common-law spouse still insisted on referring to her son as "she" and "her."  Just to not make waves.  Just to keep everything...copacetic?  Quiet?  I don't know.  I will never guess my mother's motives.  I suspect more and more that she is a sick woman, who, unfortunately, I am having trouble establishing independence from.  Financially, transportationally(?) or otherwise.  Social anxiety is very real, and it is crippling me.  I live in an apartment that my mother pays for and have neither a car nor a driver's license, because said social anxiety is keeping me from looking for a job and I still have pride to preserve that I do not want to compromise.

Also, my profile picture is inaccurate.  I don't look like that anymore.  I don't post a new one because I don't want to be identified.  Let me just say that I have a full beard, dark messy greasy hair, pale skin and baggy clothes that are often filthy right now--and I've gained back a few pounds on booze.  I've gone back on T (axiron, since July of this year, I'm not messing with injected ever again,) so for what it's worth I've got dudehormones coursing through my bloodstream again.  And I drink a lot, which, weirdly enough, seems to make my voice deeper and my brainfog less thick.

I've probably had the most messed-up transition in history.  Transitioning via people who are financially supportive but emotionally/psychologically violent and destructive is probably going to drive me psychotic in about three years.  Still have to do what I have to do.  I have my priorities, and they might be kind of screwed, but I'm not just whining over nothing.  I mean, when I'm talking about my mom, this is the woman who willingly sent me to a troubled teen program much like this one.  Though it was less overtly religious/homophobic.  A lot of the same crap went on, for the same reasons.  Just sneakier. 

My former friends are all out of my life.  Yet, even since I've cut them out, one or two of them have tried to come bother me and re-establish contact again.  I am not a perfect person, and I have probably done some crappy things that weren't fair.  Still, that bridge is pretty much burned, but the things they said have stuck in my head, in certain ways, and I'm still trying to dislodge it all.

And the part where I talked about being undermined for passing *too* well, that is an issue.  People around me see me begin to pass completely as cismale, they get uncomfortable with it and/or get weird about my being "presumptuous" or "uppity," or take it as a personal insult that I'm not being a GIRL for them, (though if I ever try and confront them on it--i.e, I try to say, yo, don't expect me to act like a girl anymore because I'm not a girl and you can't humiliate me anymore by expecting me to do that for you, just to make you feel better, and you can deal with your own insecurities on your own darnded time--all they will do is look confused and say, whaa?  I never did that, no, not at all, you're just oversensitive oh noooooo not me!  How could you possibly think such a thing?  Because we Completely Accept You *tm* and we would never be uncomfortable with you being a man.  It's just that when you sit with your legs THAT far open, it looks GROSS so cross them in a more polite/demure manner, it's nicer okay?)

And then they start in with pressing the insecurity buttons that they themselves installed.  Manipulating fears such as "being rude."  Or "being a hypermasculine douchebag."  Being "just like your father/stepfather."  "Trying too hard." "Not understanding men." "Using your gender as an excuse to be a jerk/abusive/an abusive jerk."  "Just think you should have a penis because you want a weapon, you abusive penismonster rapist piece of scum, you're not really a man just a sick sadist."  Even "smelling bad."  (Smelling bad was a big one, when in the prehistory of my life I started insisting on keeping my armpit hair intact.)

It gets to a point where I second-guess my own mannerisms, mindset and behavior on their behalf, because whenever I'm in a state where I pass very well, unambiguously, the immediate family/people who knew from before get weird and twitchy and angry around me, as though I'm being impolite to them.  And I have found, strangely enough, in society, whenever I do the things they told me I had to do be polite/demonstrate respect, the more I have the _exact opposite_ reaction from the people around me.  Men in particular, but also women, though less so because probably they see it as me either being flamboyantly gay or flirting with them or some odd combination of both.  Saying "please" comes off as rude now.  Doing that whole reticent "umm, can I maybe, uh, like, I dunno?" routine is rude as shiitake mushrooms these days, being perceived as male.  People react to such behavior as though it is rude and condescending and patronizing.  Because for some reason, performing those politeness gestures that I've been taught is seen differently.  Is seen as my being snobby and prissy and pulling a better-than-thou routine.  Demonstrating that supposed "delicateness" around the feelings of others through hedging and wiffle-waffling is instead seen as my snobbish refusal to acknowledge another person as fully human.  Which, ironically, is the exact opposite reaction that all the people (mostly women) in my life have told me such behavior would elicit.

Why can they not recognize that, because I am a man now, there are different things I have to do and different standards that (culturally) I have to hold myself to for social survival?  And how can they, in any conception of fair and just behavior, take it upon themselves to out me as transgender behind my back because they are uncomfortable with the degree to which I have to perform socially-acceptable masculinity?  A large part of me does not want to accept this as real.  A large part of me still clings to the idea that my family is open-minded and completely understanding.  They "get me" because they said they did, don't they?  Aren't I just an ingrate?  Good grief, they're not a bunch of christians.  My family are all pretty much atheists.  My grandpa was a psychiatrist!  Shouldn't they be the least judgmental people on earth?  Like they pretend to be?  So maybe I'm the one who is just imagining things, I'm just hearing them use female pronouns in reference to me amongst each other, they're not really doing that, are they?  Because they're accepting.  Because they are supposed to be, and they said they were. 

Gawd.  I'm...sorry.  This situation is more messed up that I should be indiscriminately spewing on the internet, whining like a hound dog.

But really, thank you all for your advice.  I appreciate all of it.  I am working on means of transportation and finance that circumvent any channel my family could have access to and/or control over.  This whole entire thing is, IMO, proof of how pathetic and sick the people are in my immediate environment--I never thought, or wanted, this cold-war bull to be reality instead of paranoid science fiction, but it is, and I can't stick my head in the sand anymore.  People do bad things, and they enlist other people to help them do it. 

Human nastiness knows no bounds.  But right now...I'm gonna say, "bring it."
I've had no caffeine but I'm wired
The computer goes whizz-click and beep
It's twelve and I'm not even tired...
So WHY in the [SQUEELP] should I sleep?
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spacerace

Hey Xren - I have broken up your post a bit to make it easier to reply to you. I don't know if you want advice, or you are just venting - so apologies up front if you would rather not hear any of this.

Basically, the unifying point of everything I am about to say is that you need to take responsibility for yourself. If you can do this, all of your other problems will become manageable. I will address the social anxiety stuff as your impediment for doing so down below.

Quote from: Xren on September 05, 2013, 01:12:38 PM
I am twenty-five years old.

Quote from: Xren on September 05, 2013, 01:12:38 PM
Social anxiety is very real, and it is crippling me. I live in an apartment that my mother pays for and have neither a car nor a driver's license, because said social anxiety is keeping me from looking for a job and I still have pride to preserve that I do not want to compromise.

You are making excuses for taking control of your own life. Social anxiety is crippling - I feel you completely on that front. But you have to find ways around it. It is your life - you are obviously in quite a bit of distress. Overcoming it to take responsibility for yourself financially will allow you to break free from the family that is the source of a lot of your pain.

Additionally - it is incredibly empowering to be able to support yourself. It will wash away a lot of your anxiety.

I am speaking from experience on all of this - I have had points in time where I straight up refused to leave my room and decided to just die instead of coping with my fear of the world.

But then, how can *you* solve it? Exposure therapy, medication -if you can't afford any of this without your parents, then use them to get yourself to a place where you leave. Get to a point you can take on part time work and then go from there. Orient yourself towards a goal of leaving and supporting yourself as your one purpose in life. Everything you do should be a step towards getting out from under your parent's financial leash. It is a chain that prevents progress - it will be hard work, but you have to find a path of escape.

Quote from: Xren on September 05, 2013, 01:12:38 PM
Mom gives me a card from grandma.  She's finally written me back.  And all I see are FEMALE PROUNOUNS all over that thing, as though none of this acceptance bull->-bleeped-<- even HAPPENED.

She's your grandmother - old and set in her ways. Old people should be given major slack on this point.

Quote from: Xren on September 05, 2013, 01:12:38 PM
And I drink a lot, which, weirdly enough, seems to make my voice deeper and my brainfog less thick.

If you think it makes your brainfog better, you are being tricked by your own brain that is chemically addicted. Get help for this as part of the process of taking control over your own life.

Quote from: Xren on September 05, 2013, 01:12:38 PM
I've probably had the most messed-up transition in history.  Transitioning via people who are financially supportive but emotionally/psychologically violent and destructive is probably going to drive me psychotic in about three years. 

A good majority of transfolk have messed up transitions - yes your situation sucks, but it is probably more common than not.

My advice to you is be nice to the people supporting you - stop expecting anything from them. Ditch the friends that are causing you problems. Ignore them - they do not matter. You can put blinders on when you know you are working to get out.

Then move. Restart your life. You are 25, so it is time to do so, but it also means you still have your whole life ahead of you. There is a way to get out of this situation, but it will be incredibly difficult. That's okay though - think about how good you will feel about yourself once you conquer it. Establish one mini-goal and go from there.
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Xren

Quote from: spacerace on September 05, 2013, 02:12:49 PM
I don't know if you want advice, or you are just venting - so apologies up front if you would rather not hear any of this.

I'm not just venting, I want to get as much perspective on this as possible, and again, I appreciate any and all advice.
I've had no caffeine but I'm wired
The computer goes whizz-click and beep
It's twelve and I'm not even tired...
So WHY in the [SQUEELP] should I sleep?
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GnomeKid

my strategy, as applies to my being trans, has always been complete and utter truth.  It really simplifies life.  No secrets.  No stress.  I don't go shouting it from the rooftops, but I don't deny it.  I find I get respect for that.  I pass entirely.  In fact, when my room mate told our downstairs neighbor I was trans she actually thought he was talking about our other room mate, and was surprised to find it was me. 

I dunno... I understand where stealth can be important, but overall If I don't feel in physical danger I tend not to worry about it.  I actually can't say that I consider anyone who doesn't know I'm trans a friend.  Maybe thats just the way things are at the moment, but I can't imagine a friend not knowing something like that.
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