Chaos : As far as that goes, I know one woman who regrets *not* getting the cosmetic version, and half a dozen who did and are happy about it. The risks are lower, making it (as someone said, I think) a safer choice for someone older or with healing problems, and a woman who is 100% sure she won't want penetrative sex can decide the dilation isn't worth it for something she doesn't want and won't use. (Dilation is, truly, an unimaginable hassle. Sometimes literally a pain, too. It's true that now that I can taper down to once a week it's not so bad, but I can't blame somebody who doesn't want to deal with it, either!) I don't think it's a very common choice, but it would seem likely that most women making it are well-informed... they'd have to be, when the majority of people they talk to are aware of and arguing for the standard methods.

I mean, I'm very happy I had the complete version. But I don't think it's my place to judge what someone else does with their own body.

As people have said, it's a choice.

I would be utterly blown away if after all the surgery and the wait and all that, and the day came when I could enjoy being female in that fashion, the wife actually were to tell me, 'yes Lesley, it's time you got good and screwed, bend over dear, you're going to get rode like the horny wench you are' . No that is not going to happen. Well it is sure the furthest thing I can see happening hehe.

If the wife passes away in say 10 years time, maybe I find myself in a relationship where I might need to have a vagina.... Nah I can't see that happening either.

A vagina, it's a birth canal, it's where the penis goes so it can deliver the sperm to it's destination. And none of that has any relevance in my world. It's handy to have a vagina to have sex in the fashion women have sex admittedly. But, I'm looking forward to a life lived as a woman, who just doesn't need to be screwed Well that is to say, I don't need to have a penis used on me real or artificial to feel fulfilled as a woman.

And until the day comes that I am not married to my wife, well she has exclusive rights on me And she's not into the lesbian thing. In fact I think my wife has tired of sex as a whole. We are currently happy to just be together. Unless that changes later, I don't expect to need deluxe parts.

I'm kinda glad there is an option for a less involved, less traumatic and not as dangerous version.

Quote from: SarahR on October 03, 2013, 01:50:53 PM
It was definitely exciting. However, it was a little painful and slow-going at first. It took quite a few times before I felt completely comfortable. What I've come to find out is that foreplay is pretty important for me to get my body prepared. It's not only awesome itself, but it definitely makes penetration easier and more enjoyable and climax almost certain. When done properly, I can even go without lube at all.

About the same here, at first, very painful, for 10-15 minutes than it got pleasurable.. and it gets easier as you keep "doing it"
foreplay is well its just fantastic and when it comes to penetration, yea much much easier and the feel is well indescribable, it just feels out of this world, I didn't know I would be able to get wet enough for sex by just using foreplay but lets just say after messing around I learnt otherwise, but remember what everyone will say, ymmv and just because I or Sarah can doesn't set the standard you yourself may not 

Quote from: Jenna Marie on October 05, 2013, 11:10:27 PM
Chaos : As far as that goes, I know one woman who regrets *not* getting the cosmetic version, and half a dozen who did and are happy about it. The risks are lower, making it (as someone said, I think) a safer choice for someone older or with healing problems, and a woman who is 100% sure she won't want penetrative sex can decide the dilation isn't worth it for something she doesn't want and won't use. (Dilation is, truly, an unimaginable hassle. Sometimes literally a pain, too. It's true that now that I can taper down to once a week it's not so bad, but I can't blame somebody who doesn't want to deal with it, either!) I don't think it's a very common choice, but it would seem likely that most women making it are well-informed... they'd have to be, when the majority of people they talk to are aware of and arguing for the standard methods.

I mean, I'm very happy I had the complete version. But I don't think it's my place to judge what someone else does with their own body.

I do not blame anyone for getting anything and my post said nothing of the sort and i do not judge anyone.I did say yes,you would think that it would lead to the most regret later down the line due to sexual interactions,mental idea changes and so many other factors.And being *100% sure* she does not want penetrative sex,is not the same as being *100% sure* she wants the surgery.What that means is,she may want the surgery and that will NOT be changed by anyone for any reason but her own emotional/mental state may change her own mind on where she stands with the penetrative sex.Yes even many FtM's have many options to them.Some what this and some dont.Its all up to each person and there is nothing wrong with any choice but that doesnt mean she wont *later down the line* realize that it wasnt the right choice for her.and thats good too.I just stated that IF she came to that point,it may be hard to find someone to help her.

Chaos : There are surgeons who can help women who had problems with the vaginal canal closing up partially or entirely, so there *are* options available to someone who wishes to correct a lack of vagina later on. (There are also a number of methods used for cis girls born without a vagina, and while I don't know offhand if any are applicable, it'd probably be worth finding out.) It does require a second surgery and a second expense, but it's possible.

According to Brassard, it's also not precisely "no vaginal canal at all," as there are medical reasons why it's necessary to have a depth of about an inch. No dilation, no possibility of penetrative sex, but there is a "space" marked off and established that could be used in a later surgery. I know more than one woman who had complications that led to being *left* with depth of an inch or less and who had it successfully corrected by the colon vaginoplasty method.

Quote from: Jenna Marie on October 09, 2013, 11:01:29 AM
Chaos : There are surgeons who can help women who had problems with the vaginal canal closing up partially or entirely, so there *are* options available to someone who wishes to correct a lack of vagina later on. (There are also a number of methods used for cis girls born without a vagina, and while I don't know offhand if any are applicable, it'd probably be worth finding out.) It does require a second surgery and a second expense, but it's possible.

According to Brassard, it's also not precisely "no vaginal canal at all," as there are medical reasons why it's necessary to have a depth of about an inch. No dilation, no possibility of penetrative sex, but there is a "space" marked off and established that could be used in a later surgery. I know more than one woman who had complications that led to being *left* with depth of an inch or less and who had it successfully corrected by the colon vaginoplasty method.

Colon vaginoplasty is very risky business, though.  I wouldn't look at that as a successful option for later as it can come with many complications.

Nidalexi : I certainly didn't choose it for myself, but there are a number of women here who did and are happy with the outcome, and I've been taking their word for it. I'm (obviously) not an expert on the procedure, but I know I do see it routinely recommended to someone who has had problems with severely losing depth. I guess I shouldn't have assumed that meant it was a good option.

Quote from: Jenna Marie on October 09, 2013, 11:43:30 AM
Nidalexi : I certainly didn't choose it for myself, but there are a number of women here who did and are happy with the outcome, and I've been taking their word for it. I'm (obviously) not an expert on the procedure, but I know I do see it routinely recommended to someone who has had problems with severely losing depth. I guess I shouldn't have assumed that meant it was a good option.

It's a good last resort, but it can be regrettably done to no avail with internal complications.  If the traditional is an option I'd definitely tell people that's the best choice despite dilation and self lubrication because colon work just has too many possible risks for my taste.

I'm still wondering why they haven't tried doing work with the glands in the cheeks, I feel like grafts from there would work wonders in the long run.

Nidalexi : Right, I think we agree. I was talking about it as a "last resort" for a hypothetical woman who'd originally chosen not to have a vaginal canal installed, and later wanted it after all. Not suggesting it as a first choice, because I'd be a bit hypocritical to say that when I went with the standard penile inversion.

(btw, I definitely self-lubricate. It's luck of the draw, I think, but by a year post-op I am producing enough to get by without lube [if certain TMI conditions are met]. So I'm 100% glad I chose the method I did, for sure.)