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Started by Sibila, October 06, 2013, 06:26:52 AM

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Sibila

Still from my experience most men either lose interest when they know I am trans... or I get the kind of men that are into ->-bleeped-<-s that expect things of me I cant give them.

Then I also need to love the mind of the guy I am with. I need him to be intelligent.
Its just to hard to find.

I feel as though I have zero chance of ever having a normal relationship.
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Chaos

Quote from: Sibila on October 09, 2013, 08:12:07 AM
Yes I read that.
Perhaps you are more beautifull and passable then me, who knows?

I normally try to stay out of these sections but i felt the need to comment.I personally have been around the block a few thousand times and in every way you could imagine and this goes for love/relationships as well.I have went from abuse,deception,hate and so many other things and over time,on a personal level,you just start to see the persons heart and not anything else.I want to show you the true definition of love and it is 100% true

*Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight in bad but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.  Love never fails.*

And love is NEVER ashamed.Please know that it is in the heart that prevents one from being honest.If your sorrow and pain is telling you its wrong,then it IS because the heart never lies.Just like you want to be 100% apart of him,not ashamed of him and want to shout to the world,why would he not do the same unless he does not feel the same.Do whats best for you and consider everyones advice.Find a good man and you ARE beautiful,sexy,and needed but you need to give it all to someone who deserves it.And this honestly boils down to whats inside and not outside.Love knows no bounderies.
All Thing's Come With A Price...
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Alaia

There was an interesting news article I read today that touches on this subject. I don't have the rank to post a link, but if you google the following you'll find it: "im attracted to trans women" salon

Here's an excerpt:
QuoteImagine a woman who has been to hell and back trying to transition into who she really is only to be told by her lover that he is ashamed to be with her. The hardship that trans-attracted men go through (and believe me, it is hard) does not even come close to what trans women have to go through in their day-to-day lives. That is why it's so important for trans-attracted men to start coming out of the closet. Personally, I am proud to be attracted to women who are so strong.

I'm not sure how I'd feel about a man being attracted to me because I'm trans. Hell, I don't even have my sexuality figured out yet. But if I do end up finding myself attracted to men, I think I'd be open to a relationship with a trans-attracted man... provided he is willing to be open about it like this author was. If he weren't willing to do that then I'd be too creeped out by it--I certainly don't want to be someone's fetish. I'd also send him packing if he ever tried to dissuade me from getting my bottom surgery done. Whomever I end up with needs to love me for the woman I am.



"Let yourself be silently drawn by the strange pull of what you really love. It will not lead you astray."

― Rumi
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KabitTarah

Quote from: Alaia on October 24, 2013, 02:57:06 AM
There was an interesting news article I read today that touches on this subject. I don't have the rank to post a link, but if you google the following you'll find it: "im attracted to trans women" salon

Here's an excerpt:

QuoteImagine a woman who has been to hell and back trying to transition into who she really is only to be told by her lover that he is ashamed to be with her. The hardship that trans-attracted men go through (and believe me, it is hard) does not even come close to what trans women have to go through in their day-to-day lives. That is why it's so important for trans-attracted men to start coming out of the closet. Personally, I am proud to be attracted to women who are so strong.

I'm not sure how I'd feel about a man being attracted to me because I'm trans. Hell, I don't even have my sexuality figured out yet. But if I do end up finding myself attracted to men, I think I'd be open to a relationship with a trans-attracted man... provided he is willing to be open about it like this author was. If he weren't willing to do that then I'd be too creeped out by it--I certainly don't want to be someone's fetish. I'd also send him packing if he ever tried to dissuade me from getting my bottom surgery done. Whomever I end up with needs to love me for the woman I am.

The quote is beautiful. I think the big dilemma we face in love is that we don't want someone attracted to us because we're trans and we don't want someone attracted to us despite being trans. Once it becomes love, I think those initial attractions go out the window and everyone needs to be open... before it becomes love every partner needs to work through their own issues. They're cis. Nearly all cis people grow up with media teaching them to fear us. Only very special people are able to see through their own issues immediately but with time everyone has the chance.
~ Tarah ~

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KabitTarah

Quote from: Alaia on October 24, 2013, 02:57:06 AM
I'd also send him packing if he ever tried to dissuade me from getting my bottom surgery done. Whomever I end up with needs to love me for the woman I am.

Ha... my current fantasy is a rich guy who wants to pay for it ;)
~ Tarah ~

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Doctorwho?

To answer the specific point first, I don't really think that someone who is ashamed to be with you, is really loving you. They are using you, and not even admitting that fact, so I would not call that a healthy relationship.

That said, Love is a very complex thing. Let me take a small risk and share a few details of my own story, in the hope that they may help someone who struggles with love, or worries about their future.

When I was young I used to worry about who would find me attractive. I have PAIS so I knew that I was likely to be sterile as a male, and as a corrected female this became a certainty. So I couldn't have my own kids and it worried me that which ever role I had chosen, anyone "normal" might eventually find that to be a disappointment. So the relationship would break down.

Now I lost my father at an early age, and that left me with a slight fear of abandonment, so to me that idea that the relationship would be long-term and reliable became an important factor.

In the end I settled down with a wonderful trans woman, and although it wasn't what either of us "wanted" it was what we needed.

She had the added complication that her operation had major complications which had left her unable to consummate a relationship with a man, so her only option was a woman, which wasn't what she wanted... but I realised that although I was not a man, and did not identify as one, I could perhaps act out the role well enough to satisfy her. So thats what I did. I didn't seek to become male or anything, I just made it my business to try and fulfil the "role" of one in our relationship.

We became wonderful companions and she supported me through some of the most difficult years of my life following the death of my mother.

In turn I protected her from her, often hostile, family, and tried to give her the opportunity to be the housewife and homemaker that she so wanted to be.

In the event we were together for well over two decades.

She is now dying with early onset dementia – and harrowingly seems to have forgotten that she has had the SRS and is often back to believing herself to be a 14 year old boy with severe dysphoria. It is so sad to see her ending her life in terrible internal pain and suffering.

At the time we got together people accused me of selling out, joining the freakshow, setting up a ghetto, being perverted ->-bleeped-<- – regretting my own gender decision, you name it I've been accuse of it – a surprising amount of the time from within the LGB and indeed trans communities!!!

The point is I have loved and been loved. That is all that matters! Life is not like a baskin-robins Ice cream parlour. You don't always get to choose your PERFECT flavour. With luck what you do get is something which is edible and pleasant, and if you achieve that then you've won.

I think this is so important to understand, because by observation, those of us who are good at compromise, generally end up with better life satisfaction than those for whom it has to be perfect! If you are transitioning to become the perfect woman with the perfect relationship, then you have to be SO LUCKY, and for most of you it simply won't happen.

On the other hand, if you can compromise, and learn to get the best out of whatever life throws your way, then you have a much higher chance of being happy.
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KabitTarah

Quote from: Doctorwho? on October 24, 2013, 06:16:53 AM
In the end I settled down with a wonderful trans woman, and although it wasn't what either of us "wanted" it was what we needed.

She had the added complication that her operation had major complications which had left her unable to consummate a relationship with a man, so her only option was a woman, which wasn't what she wanted... but I realised that although I was not a man, and did not identify as one, I could perhaps act out the role well enough to satisfy her. So thats what I did. I didn't seek to become male or anything, I just made it my business to try and fulfil the "role" of one in our relationship.

We became wonderful companions and she supported me through some of the most difficult years of my life following the death of my mother.

In turn I protected her from her, often hostile, family, and tried to give her the opportunity to be the housewife and homemaker that she so wanted to be.

In the event we were together for well over two decades.

She is now dying with early onset dementia – and harrowingly seems to have forgotten that she has had the SRS and is often back to believing herself to be a 14 year old boy with severe dysphoria. It is so sad to see her ending her life in terrible internal pain and suffering.

You sound like a wonderful couple and I'm so happy for the time you had. I'm sorry for what you're going through but you sound like a beautiful person for being so supportive of your wife. !
~ Tarah ~

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Dahlia

Quote from: Sibila on October 06, 2013, 06:26:52 AM
I also know he afraid to find out what they think of me.

He's afraid fo find out what they think of him.
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Dahlia

Quote from: Marina mtf on October 07, 2013, 06:45:00 AM
  but a hetero man, not a gay man (I have not against gay, but they
would love my male part, which I hate).


Oh girl, you'll soon find out it's the 'hetero men' who loooooooooooooooove your male part.

Thank god you've nothing against gay men but you've obviously haven't heard fabout bisexual men......fooling themselves and thinking how 'hetero' there are when they're into MTF.

Let alone about some more surprises...such as 'hetero'men who turn out to be tv's/cd's or even pre mtf.

Good luck!
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Danielle Emmalee

Quote from: Dahlia on October 24, 2013, 04:28:50 PM
Oh girl, you'll soon find out it's the 'hetero men' who loooooooooooooooove your male part.

Thank god you've nothing against gay men but you've obviously haven't heard fabout bisexual men......fooling themselves and thinking how 'hetero' there are when they're into MTF.

Let alone about some more surprises...such as 'hetero'men who turn out to be tv's/cd's or even pre mtf.

Good luck!

This post is rather presumptive.  Its perfectly possible to be heterosexual and like MTFs.  Its also very common for crossdressers to be hetero.  I find your putting the quotes around hetero to be pretty offensive actually.
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Discord, whatever did we do
To make you take our world away?

Discord, are we your prey alone,
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Discord, we won't take it anymore
So take your tyranny away!
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Beth Andrea

Quote from: Dahlia on October 24, 2013, 04:28:50 PM
Oh girl, you'll soon find out it's the 'hetero men' who loooooooooooooooove your male part.

Thank god you've nothing against gay men but you've obviously haven't heard fabout bisexual men......fooling themselves and thinking how 'hetero' there are when they're into MTF.

Let alone about some more surprises...such as 'hetero'men who turn out to be tv's/cd's or even pre mtf.

Good luck!

Wait, I thought that if I was MtF, that my male part wasn't seen as a male part? It certainly doesn't *work* much like a male part...and the moment I got with a guy (hetero, bi, or gay) who went "there" as if it were an actual male part, I'd kick him to the curb.

...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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KabitTarah

Quote from: Visitor_591 on October 24, 2013, 06:21:49 PM
Wait, I thought that if I was MtF, that my male part wasn't seen as a male part? It certainly doesn't *work* much like a male part...and the moment I got with a guy (hetero, bi, or gay) who went "there" as if it were an actual male part, I'd kick him to the curb.

Where is "there" exactly? Doesn't make sense to me... if it doesn't work it doesn't work. Otherwise it's an over-sized female part.
~ Tarah ~

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Beth Andrea

Quote from: kabit on October 24, 2013, 06:25:00 PM
Where is "there" exactly? Doesn't make sense to me... if it doesn't work it doesn't work. Otherwise it's an over-sized female part.

"There" meaning if the guy acted AS IF I had a male part. Or if I got the impression that he, in any way, was looking at me as if I were a guy.

I apologize if that wasn't clear. I thought it was. Perhaps clarify what you didn't understand?
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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KabitTarah

Quote from: Visitor_591 on October 24, 2013, 06:50:16 PM
"There" meaning if the guy acted AS IF I had a male part. Or if I got the impression that he, in any way, was looking at me as if I were a guy.

I apologize if that wasn't clear. I thought it was. Perhaps clarify what you didn't understand?

No... I'm good :D I don't understand anything... I just try to pretend really well ;)

I know some people don't want guys anywhere near that part... I don't think I'd care about location, but yeah - it would have to remain female. I have no idea, though - I don't even know (I know rationally, not experientially) how that part works after HRT.

I have so much to experience, to look forward to... that I really do feel like a pre-pubescent kid talking about adult stuff ;) (figuratively, of course :P).
~ Tarah ~

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Beth Andrea

Quote from: kabit on October 24, 2013, 06:56:48 PM
No... I'm good :D I don't understand anything... I just try to pretend really well ;)

I know some people don't want guys anywhere near that part... I don't think I'd care about location, but yeah - it would have to remain female. I have no idea, though - I don't even know (I know rationally, not experientially) how that part works after HRT.

I have so much to experience, to look forward to... that I really do feel like a pre-pubescent kid talking about adult stuff ;) (figuratively, of course :P).

Wander into the sexuality forum, if you feel comfortable doing that. There's a few discussions (clinical, not prurient) about how things...develop in this area ("man-parts" vs "woman-mind")
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

--read in a Tessa James post 1/16/2017
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KabitTarah

Quote from: Visitor_591 on October 24, 2013, 07:59:01 PM
Wander into the sexuality forum, if you feel comfortable doing that. There's a few discussions (clinical, not prurient) about how things...develop in this area ("man-parts" vs "woman-mind")

Maybe it's time for me to subscribe... $10/mo is a lot, but it might open up some interesting conversations -- and I'll feel better about posting pics.
~ Tarah ~

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Miyuki

Quote from: kabit on October 24, 2013, 04:13:39 AM
The quote is beautiful. I think the big dilemma we face in love is that we don't want someone attracted to us because we're trans and we don't want someone attracted to us despite being trans.
Is being attracted to someone for being trans really that different than being attracted to someone because of any other physical trait? Almost all relationships start off as superficial attraction. As long as the relationship has the potential to develop into something more, why worry about how it started?
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KabitTarah

Quote from: Miyuki on October 24, 2013, 09:47:39 PM
Is being attracted to someone for being trans really that different than being attracted to someone because of any other physical trait? Almost all relationships start off as superficial attraction. As long as the relationship has the potential to develop into something more, why worry about how it started?

My point exactly... those two requirements limit you to nearly an empty group of men.
~ Tarah ~

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Miranda Catherine

When I first saw this thread about half and hour ago, I thought, 'great, I need to get this off my chest.' Then I read a few posts and decided not to read anymore. I have enough depression over this very subject, and the line between what I'm doing and what I should be doing has blurred to the point that I no longer know if leaving him would be any solution at all. I've lived in reality only the last two years of my life, as the woman I've always been. I was a male impersonator before now. I pass without any problems whatsoever and although I'm very much at ease in my skin now and am never clocked, once in awhile I still think, 'Wow, Mira. You're actually doing what you wanted to do for your whole life.' Anyway, I've been seeing a man for a year now that I'm deeply in love with, and I'm sure he loves me. He's been divorced for over twenty years and has two grown kids, conservative kids he says who won't accept me if they find out I was born male. He's proud of me in public and doesn't hesitate to hold me, kiss me, open doors for me, etc., but in his private life I'm in the shadows and it hurts me badly. He's getting a surgery for a broken nose on Tuesday and because of an arrangement I signed off on, his family is, at least for now, off limits. So I won't be able to see him for at least a week or more, because he's going to stay at his daughter's house. We were on the phone today and weren't even talking about my shadow life, but I blurted out "You know we're not going to be able to see each other for awhile because I'm ->-bleeped-<-ing trans," which I don't usually think or speak of in such harsh terms, and then I said, "This just sucks, honey, I just wish I was born female, because I know I wouldn't..." He said loudly, "Stop it, Mira. You're all woman to me, I never even think of you any other way!" And he sounded disappointed in me, and I almost started crying, because we get along so well I know there'd be no issue at all if I was cis female. And I wanted to say 'if I'm all woman to you, sweetie, then why are you ashamed of your kids meeting me?' But I didn't, because we had a really terrible blow out that almost broke us up because I refused to be off in the shadows anymore. When we got back together, or back on track, he ended up telling me that I'm the only transwoman he's ever been with and he's hardly even used to it yet. And that he never expected to fall in love again with anyone, let alone me. I've been at a loss what to think till I read these two quotes tonight and each made perfect sense to me
Quote from: Sibila on October 06, 2013, 06:26:52 AM
I also know he is afraid to find out what they think of me.
Quote from: Dahlia on October 24, 2013, 04:11:22 PM
He's afraid fo find out what they think of him!
I think that's exactly what he's afraid of. Not what they're going to think of me, but him. And I'm going to tell him that tomorrow. Thank you, Sibila and Dahlia and God bless you both. Mira
These three years have been the best of my entire life
ones I've been able to live without lying
and the only time I've had since the age of twelve
I haven't constantly thought about dying



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Dahlia

Quote from: <3 on October 24, 2013, 04:59:36 PM
  Its perfectly possible to be heterosexual and like MTFs.  Its also very common for crossdressers to be hetero. 

Yes, most crossdressers are hetero. And attracted to MTF. And not recognisable as cd's at first but as hetero men at first.
It's a very unpleasant surprise for a MTF who's into men only to find  out she's with  some kind of a hidden woman.
Who's not with a MTF for love but for selfish reasons such as projection and wanting to play a woman with someone 'who understands'/ a MTF.
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