Quote from: Wendy on July 27, 2007, 10:45:30 AM
Quote from: Nero on July 27, 2007, 10:12:32 AM
I'm climbing up the ladder. Here kitty kitty! Here kitty kitty kittyyyyy!
Check your pms for impending rescue.
Dear Nero,
Yes I am/was hoping I would find a magic pill and everything would go "puff" and all would be fine. However one of the issues with this stuff is that you become illogical and look for rational explanations for a condition that seems at best illogical. I happen to agree with Kate and I am also in the tree.
Why would your mom be upset with people trying different things in hopes that it will be repaired or things will be crystal clear? I seem to remember a recent survey in which people could switch their bodies to the target gender. No less were the responses overwhelmingly in favor of doing the operation, they were also willing to accept a huge risk of death in the procedure!
My mom was insulted because she's a
woman, not a machine that runs on estrogen.
Posted on: July 27, 2007, 11:07:02 AM
Quote from: regina on July 27, 2007, 11:06:12 AM
Quote from: Nero on July 27, 2007, 08:15:02 AM
Believe what you will. There's no evidence. I resent that you're making this issue personal.
This is a personal subject. How can it not be personal. Nero, when you use terms like 'wax poetic,' which is a putdown to people who've had a certain experience with hrt (even if I didn't share that experience).
QuoteT will not make me or break me. When I go on it, it will only be to become more passable. No more, no less.
You haven't been on it yet, and until then, you don't know what it will and won't do specifically for you. Anything else is just conjecture, isn't it?
Quote(And I'm not addressing you specifically, Ell. I won't stoop to your level and make my argument personal)
To be frank - from my observations, the TS who wax poetic about the 'mental' effects of HRT are the ones hoping it is a magical cure to make them feel and behave as their target gender, because they don't already.
As I mentioned in another post, what they might be experiencing is freedom from the 'inappropriate' hormone they feel are kind of lashing them to their assigned gender. To an mtf, suppressing T and boosting estrogen is a very real affect, in terms of allowing one to more objectively deal with your gender. It doesn't magically turn people into something they're not, but it does afford them a freedom to allow whatever is inside to come out and to accept socialization in your target gender without your body rebelling against it. Some people get profoundly, outwardly changed by that experience and others don't seem to be.
QuoteI shared with my mother last night some of the notions and comments on this thread. She was insulted. Who she is - is not dependent on some hormone. She said the notion that a testosterone injection would make her think and feel like a man was laughable, absurd, and offensive.
It's not laughable because she hasn't done it. You don't get to laugh at it until you've gone through that one and been there. And by the way, isn't laughing at someone else's deeply felt experience kind of a personal attack, Mr. 'no-personal-attacks'?
Gina M.
It don't matter one bit whether I've been on HRT or not.
One main reason I hold this view is:
I have a sex drive that rivals most men I know (and no I ain't saying this for machismo purposes because I actually find it a nuisance.) Like an itch that needs to be scratched a dozen times a day.
When I was institutionalized in a teen psych ward, one of the things written in my file and discussed with my folks was: Patient is overly aggressive, combative, and over-sexed.
Now they probably felt that was significant and abnormal for a 14 year old girl, which is probably why they made it an issue.
Basically all the mental stuff ftms have reported from T are things I already experience, which makes me believe it ain't the T, but a placebo effect for these guys.
