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What "hints" did you give your self or others about being transgender?

Started by Tessa James, December 28, 2013, 03:42:12 PM

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foreversarah

1 - I have a strong memory of playing with a baby doll and a toy pram. That's what I remember playing with most. I did have action men and little toy soldiers that I did play with but not as much. Nor did I enjoy them them as much.

2 - I asked my mum to paint my nails which, on occasions, she actually did when I was younger.

3 - Right from First school (Primary school/Kindergarden) my closest friends have been girls. Less so when i got to High School when it became a mix of boys and girls.

4 - I have always been very emotionally sensitive.

5 - My friends have (not in a horrible way) have always taken the mick out of me for being 'girly'/'gay'. As have peers at school but them more in a mean way.

6 - Puberty really hit me hard. Fortunately I haven't masculinised that much. I can grow a beard but it's crap and I am really skinny with little muscle definition. The only issues are height - which isn't really an issue because there are plenty of women who are 5 ft 11 or taller, and I have broad shoulders. Though to make up for it as I was told a couple of weeks ago is that I don't have a very masculine jaw and my nails are very feminine.

With all these hints (probably not 6) I'm surprised the people around me didn't 'notice' anything. My mum was surprised when I came out to her as well!
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Missadventure

The more that I think about it, the more "hints" I come up with. I've always been emotionally sensitive, to the point that friends have pointed it out more than once, and I had two girlfriends leave me saying they didn't want to be the man of the relationship emotionally speaking.

I love to cook for others... I've known how to knit. I have an antique treadle operated sewing machine sitting next to my bed, which I have used to make clothes. But, I dunno. I have a lot of stereotypical "boy" hobbies too. Probably more, in fact.

In highschool I frequently had girls paint my nails. I actually forgot about that until I was sitting here just now painting my nails. My mom was confused by it, but I guess she figured "well, at least he's hanging out with girls". At that age I didn't realize sexual orientation was different from gender ID. So the fact that I both IDed with and was attracted to women confused me greatly.

In my mid 20s I let a female roommate "talk me into" getting my nails professionally done with her. The nice girl working there didn't bat an eye until I told her I wanted colored nail polish, but she shrugged the look off and did an awesome job.

My career that I've worked for a decade now is largely dominated by women. In fact, between 2003 and this September I've always been the only guy at every employer I've worked for.

I'm sure I'll come up with even more as time goes on. Makes me wonder why no one else connected the dots long ago.

Missy~rmdlm

The only outward sign I gave around family was leaving painted toe nails visible in sandals and a double ear piercing.
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Tessa James

Quote from: Eva Marie on December 30, 2013, 06:57:10 AM
- I never knew quite what to do with girls. My testosterone would tell me one thing and my head told me other things which left me conflicted.

- Like Suzi I was confused about my role in the bedroom and looking back I acted like a girl. At the risk of TMI I could ring (and ring!) the other person's bell easily because I instinctively knew what to do and when to do it. I had to have a romantic setting to even perform, quickies rarely worked for me.


OMG how many of us found the bedroom an anxiety minefield of clues about our identity?

Quote from: Oriah on December 30, 2013, 07:36:54 AM

and even with all those hints, it even took ME years to come to terms with being trans

I guess that is my bottom line too.  I was "clueless" too long :)
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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Kaitlin4475

Ever since I graduated high school I've always worn women's skinny jeans. They made me feel better about myself, more at ease. My friends would tease sometimes at first, but then it became the "it" thing to do. I even got some of them doing it too  >:-)
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Tessa James

Quote from: Kaitlin4475 on December 30, 2013, 12:11:32 PM
Ever since I graduated high school I've always worn women's skinny jeans. They made me feel better about myself, more at ease. My friends would tease sometimes at first, but then it became the "it" thing to do. I even got some of them doing it too  >:-)

Oh I can't wait until Transfashion is the new hot look.  Maybe it already is?  Keep it up you trend setter ;D
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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Ms Grace

I think the most obvious hint to myself that I hadn't "gotten over" my gender issues (as I seemed to believe I had) was that I would frequently sign up to forums as a woman. I felt guilty and deceptive for doing so and kept trying to tell myself I wasn't being creepy! I also found it was a fast track to picking up unwanted male attention...sigh. :(
Grace
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MadeleineG

Nail polish seems to be a very common theme in this thread. I guess I'm in good company! :D
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big kim

When I was 14 one of the older boys at school rode past me and one of my few friends on a BSA motorbike with his girlfriend on the back.My friend wished he was the boy on the BSA,I wished I was the girl with her arms wrapped round his waist.I never said anything but then I realised wanting to be a girl wasn't just going to go away.
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Jill F

Quote from: Gwynne on December 30, 2013, 04:56:33 PM
Nail polish seems to be a very common theme in this thread. I guess I'm in good company! :D

Hahahahaha, I just remembered something.  Many years ago, my wife gave me this really toxic discontinued nitrocellulose lacquer clear nail polish that dried very quickly and hard so I could patch up certain guitar finishes.  I so totally put it on my fingers.

I never dressed in women's clothing until last November, but I always wanted to since as long as I can remember.  I never could get myself to actually cross that line and finally admit to myself that I was gender variant at very least.   I heard about people who "got off" on crossdressing and I always knew that wasn't it.   I had the means for that laying around the house for 20 years.  I knew I wasn't a drag performer type either.  Well, why else would you want present yourself as female?   *oh crap*  I really, really didn't want to face this reality, and I tried SO hard to bury it to the point where I thought I could die with nobody ever knowing about what caused me so much grief and shame.

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Emo

Moar!
Recently ive been putting my hands on my hips more.... Not even intentional.
Mom caught me with mascara on when i was 12.
Wore high heals at the same age.
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Antonia J

Quote from: Jill F on December 30, 2013, 05:15:36 PM
.... I really, really didn't want to face this reality, and I tried SO hard to bury it to the point where I thought I could die with nobody ever knowing about what caused me so much grief and shame.

Yeah, been there, too. It's pretty spectacular when the coping mechanisms explode and all you are left with are the thoughts in your mind and the future.  A rainbow explosion, followed by a beautiful dawn.
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foreversarah

Quote from: Gwynne on December 30, 2013, 04:56:33 PM
Nail polish seems to be a very common theme in this thread. I guess I'm in good company! :D

Yes definitely! I have short nails otherwise I can't manage them but I'm told that I have very feminine hands (despite being slightly large) and very feminine nails. If that's so, they NEED to be painted!  ;D
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Tessa James

Quote from: Antonia J on December 30, 2013, 09:43:00 PM
Yeah, been there, too. It's pretty spectacular when the coping mechanisms explode and all you are left with are the thoughts in your mind and the future.  A rainbow explosion, followed by a beautiful dawn.

I like that imagery Toni, and here's to the dawn of a bright new year. 
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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Robin Mack

Tessa, I've been thinking about this a lot lately.  Admitting to myself (finally) I was trans came after a *lot* of clues that I buried deep and safe where I couldn't see them... and along with them, in the mix, was *me*.

When I was four, my dad took me shopping for my birthday.  The only thing I really wanted was a baby doll up on the top shelf.  It had a number of accessories and it fascinated me.  I needed my dad to get it down for me so I could look at it... he told me it wasn't a boy toy and that I should get something else.  (This memory is not all that traumatic, but it stuck with me... it's the first memory I have where gender became a big issue in my life, I guess)

Later, when I was 6, my parents built a room for me in the attic of our tiny house.  One day I explored the other wing of the attic and found a pretty white box... it contained a white veil and a wreath of flowers.  I just looked at it, imagining what it would look like on me, how it would feel.  My mom caught me and yelled at me, she was in the midst of a terrible depression (I learned many years later) for what seemed like the first time.  She asked me what I was doing with it and I lied... the first time I denied my preference for feminine things.

In elementary school I loved to hang out with the girls until I learned that was socially taboo.  I was always an outcast and didn't want to be more of an outcast, so I learned to "hate girls" like the other boys.  Trouble was I didn't fit in with them, so I just gave up and spent my time alone.  I raised myself on books.

In my playtime, I never wanted to be the hero in my imagination... I always wanted to be the captive princess...

During puberty I tried very hard to be excited about pubes and the changes my body was going through.  I figured if being a man was as exciting as all the boys seemed to think it was, maybe something inside me would change.  I still spent many nights crying myself to sleep because I would never have the curves and breasts I thought I should have.

In college I came out as bisexual... but I was unhappy with all my encounters with men, because they all wanted to play with "it" or admire "it" or tell me how amazing "it" was, despite my telling them that I wanted them to pretend "it" wasn't there... In retrospect, expecting gay men to treat me like a woman in bed was a bit of a stretch, but there you go...

Also in college I had a bunch of lesbian friends, some of whom helped teach me to please a woman.  It just felt natural.  When a number of them went on a women's only retreat and I couldn't go, I really really hated my bio gender and was outraged that it was a reason to exclude me.  (Big sign, no?)

As it became more acceptable in the media to be seen as a lesbian, I began to discover that nearly every female Hollywood star I was attracted to was a lesbian.

When I met my wife (to be, now ex) I told her that it was probably best to think of me as a mostly lesbian in a male body.  I told her that I didn't need or necessarily want to use "it" to penetrate her.  (Hrm... one would think *THAT* would be a sign)  In fact, since the divorce I told the same thing to a number of people, potential partners or not, if the subject of sexuality and gender came up).

There were any number of others... the number of tears I shed that I could never be with a woman as a woman, with a man as a woman, my constant struggle to control my emotions, my absolute hatred of having body hair, my fascination with (and endless questions for) the trans* friends in my life... my belief that if I had a magic switch that changed my body's gender I'd flip it to F and break it off...

Yeah.  I had to be in deep denial to miss all these.  :P

Great topic.  ;)

*hug*
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Tessa James

Well said and a nice chronicle of clues Robin!

Yes, it was only too easy to learn the social taboos (nothing works like beatings and ridicule) and I too expected I should somehow feel that the girls and girly clothes were loathsome rather than the desire and envy I really did feel.  I used to secretly page thru the catalogs of lingerie imagining away but actually putting some on felt like i was touching something sweet and radioactive at the same time.  So much better now and without the tears eh?

I often said out loud that i wanted a switch to turn off the testosterone.  Another easy clue I missed but now we happily have HRT that does the switch very nicely and permanently in my case.

I also came out as Bi/queer and found I wasn't man enough for some of the guys either, sigh.  My orientation has not changed significantly but the potential dating pool sure has!

You are so right, deep denial is nearly unfathomable ??? ??? ;D

Happy New Year!
Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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Lorifish

As a person with incredibly accepting friends, it probably took me a little longer to notice myself than it should have. From a young age, I obsessively liked model trains over other (more girly) toys, and I was also decidedly more nerdy than a large majority of the girls I knew, particularly in primary school and early secondary. Most of my young friends were boys, and I was a rather big fan of Pokemon cards and Harry Potter. Once I realised I didn't have to wear princess dresses to every fancy dress day, I would dress up as Harry Potter every time.

I had tomboyish days, though they were very much dappled with dresses and a ton of pink that I quickly grew an aversion to (and let my parents know it). The rest happened slowly; a dislike for the way my body changed after puberty and not being able to accept any compliments about it because it didn't feel or look right to me. Boobs were initially interesting, I'll admit, and I remember standing in front of the mirror and comparing them to those of other girls'. I don't remember ever feeling proud of them though, and that feeling developed to a rather damaging dislike. I never wore lacy underwear, even when my mother would offer to buy it for me, and I pretty much exclusively wore sports bras through school, and still do now, until I discovered binders. There was also a rather scary experience regarding a boy who asked me what my cup size was and prompted me to run from a room upset.

I always felt awkward when any of my girl friends would bring up periods. I was shy, and I realised late in a relationship with a boy that I didn't want to be the girl; I didn't want any attention drawn to my gender at all. Before even learning that gender dysphoria was a thing, I started asking friends to call me by a unisex name and jokingly telling them 'I wanted to be boy' and that 'I'd get a sex change'. I never really wore makeup or jewellery, and stopped wearing skirts and dresses completely at 12/13 years old.

I didn't consider everything until about 16, where I realised I liked people complimenting me on my boyish fashion, since I was well into crossdressing then, and on my recently shortened hair. Not shaving (arms and legs) was never a conscious choice, and I bite my nails like a trooper so they have certainly never been feminine. I became quite obsessed with the male form - and expressed it in my art - though friends just thought of it as me appreciating dudes in general. I was incredibly jealous of the male shape, and though I was attracted to both, I couldn't stand the female one when it was on me. Not to mention the great wealth of brilliant male clothing that just wouldn't fit me right.

I loved comics, and xbox, and moustaches - I often complained about having no facial hair, though it seemed like more of a quirk of my personality than a real issue. Many of the things I see as large hints now, were acknowledged by way of denial in my mind. I was distantly aware that to honestly believe what I was saying would be a real thing to be afraid of, due to the social taboos.

With the friends I have now though, I am able to openly be more and more of myself, and soon I think I will be able to come out to my best friend. A monumental moment if ever there were one!
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Tessa James

Welcome to Susan's Place Lorifish and thank you for sharing some of your personal awareness and journey.  Sounds like you will fit in here just fine.  I am grateful for having guys here that remind us of our commonalities and contrasts.  Friends really are an important, if not essential for me, part of working thru being "more" of ourselves.

Please let us know how your monumental moment with your best friend goes.

Open, out and evolving queer trans person forever with HRT support since March 13, 2013
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Lorifish

Thank you, Tessa! I do quite love this place already, and yes, I certainly will be sharing!
I understood that reference.
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FalseHybridPrincess

@lorifish

Welcome :)
you sound like a normal boy to me , good luck with your transition  :)

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So I was actually looking at an old photo album,,,hhhm there was this picture of me , I think I was 5 years old propably , it was halloween and my mom for some reason gave me my cousins can costume to wear... now , its wasnt a sexy cat costume , but it was a normal girl cat costume...

seeing this I wonder
why the hell would my mom give this to me and also why did I had that happy look on my face while I was looking on the mirror...maybe a little too happy...

hhhm and as I recall another year I had also taken my cousins clown costume... after those two years though I started wearing normal boy costumes...

too many questions and such a bad memory... :-\
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