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Yet another Yeson VFS thread

Started by AmyBerlin, January 02, 2014, 04:05:01 AM

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AmyBerlin

Hi all,

I just received a note from Jessie that she tentatively set my surgery date for April 23. She advised me, however, to wait and not immediately book my flights and hotel, as the schedule is not final yet. She'll notify me when it is.

But, hey, I've got an appointment. This is actually happening! Can someone please ask my body what the adrenalin rush is all about? It was only an e-mail, after all. But somehow, this feels far more like an adventure than FFS did – maybe, like, on a par with GRS back in the Nineties. And this feels just as exciting, it's just now I'm pushing 40 and supposed to be older and wiser. Nope. Still the same old giggly me. Bear with me :-)

Amy
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Jessica Merriman

So happy for you baby! Enjoy the bliss zone!  :)
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Jamie D

Amy, this is great news!  That's just under four months away.

And listening to the result of the several other Susan's girls who have preceded you, should really give you hope.
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sarahb

That's great Amy, enjoy the ride. It'll be here before know it.
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Shantel

Hi Amy,
     Hope we'll be getting some before and after voice comparisons, it's always so inspiring to those who are considering the trip to Yeson to hear the great results people are having.
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AmyBerlin

Dear Jamie,
dear Jessica, Shantel and Sarah,

thanks for the encouraging words!

Quote from: Jamie D on January 02, 2014, 05:01:37 AM
And listening to the result of the several other Susan's girls who have preceded you, should really give you hope.

Aye, there's the rub. I'm not doing this out of sheer necessity. My voice actually is unproblematic, and most people would say I don't need the surgery. I routinely pass in audio-only communication, I work as a musician and choir director in stealth mode (!), and there are numerous recordings of my voice out there, both in a speaking and a singing context, that are consistently gendered female.

So in general, I don't suffer from dire voice problems. But what motivates me and drives me toward this surgery is the prospect that it could significantly reduce the vocal effort that singing with my present voice entails. And these are my hopes: to trade in my old voice that I've learned to manipulate quite well over the years for one that comes as naturally and that I can handle just as easily, but that doesn't force me to constantly push and tweak. If the surgery can give me that, I'll be a happy camper.

Love,

Amy
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LizMarie

And that is possibly the best reason to do this, Amy. To be able to speak in a fully female voice completely naturally has to be a tantalizing prospect. I wish I could sing again but between hearing loss and the vocal cord issue, I would never subject anyone to my hideous screeching. Just me and the shower. :P

I'm actually slowly succeeding at producing a passing female voice in the lower female range (darn that vocal cord!) but the effort is a lot and I really can't maintain it all day. I suspect that is because it's the right vocal cord doing all the work. Plus I've been told that my "dual tone" voice is even more obvious in female mode. Hence my own interest in this surgery someday. But I have many other legal and financial hurdles to clear first.

I suspect that you will be pleased beyond measure once this is complete and that you will find your use of voice simple and effective, rather than an effort.

Good luck to you!
The meaning of life is to find your gift. The purpose of life is to give it away.



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Saskia

Quote from: AmyBerlin on January 02, 2014, 10:08:33 AM
Aye, there's the rub. I'm not doing this out of sheer necessity. My voice actually is unproblematic, and most people would say I don't need the surgery. I routinely pass in audio-only communication, I work as a musician and choir director in stealth mode (!), and there are numerous recordings of my voice out there, both in a speaking and a singing context, that are consistently gendered female.
Amy

Your situation is similar to mine. The only time my voice lets me down is when I get a cold. However it's going to be amazing not to have to strain or think too hard and to just speak. We may be there at the same time. Here's my schedule
Tue, April 21st: Consultation and Examination
Wed, April 23rd: Operation
Wed, April 30th: Follow-up 
Anyway I don't want to hijack your thread. Best wishes

Saskia
Live your life for yourself and no one else
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AmyBerlin

Hi Saskia,

Quote from: Saskia on January 03, 2014, 12:31:46 PM
We may be there at the same time.

We are. We're both having our surgeries April 23. This is quite amazing! What time are you flying in and where are you staying? Maybe we can meet up or arrange some excursions/outings together. What do you think?

Quote from: Saskia on January 03, 2014, 12:31:46 PM
Anyway I don't want to hijack your thread.

No harm done. That's what it's there for, and I'm all the happier for it.

Best wishes,

Amy
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Saskia

Hi Amy

I haven't booked my flights or hotels yet. I'll probably use the same hotel that Sarah used, but we should meet up it would be fun

gutes Wochenende!!!!
Live your life for yourself and no one else
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Shantel

Wow Amy and Saskia! What are the odds of that? You might have the beginnings of a long term friendship, wishing you both great success!
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AmyBerlin

Hi all,

since I didn't have Korea on my cultural mind-map at all prior to hearing about Yeson, last night me, my wife, and a friend of ours decided to remedy that and head out to Madang, Berlin's premier Korean eatery (highly recommended!). We had sobulgogi for 2, and a serving of bibimbap, and shared each equally. I must say, I'm absolutely impressed with the food! Totally unlike other Asian cuisines, these are hearty dishes that actually sometimes even feel a little Eastern European to my tastebuds (but this could be because of the role of fermented foods). A really pleasant surprise.

So, at least my mind is at ease now that our trip will be an enjoyable one from a culinary point of view.

Greetings,

Amy
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AmyBerlin

Hi all,

I'm one step further down my VFS journey: today I had my appointment at the phoniatric department of Charité in Berlin that served two purposes: one, to ascertain that everything's well with my voice before I take the plunge and go to Yeson, and second of all, to find out about the glottoplasty procedure Charité is offering (Profs. Gross and Nawka).

For diagnostics, I had to do the usual thing: read a few test sentences in masculine and feminine mode, loud and soft arpeggios up and down to find out my range, hold a midrange note, and a laryngoscopy during which I was supposed to make sounds. Turns out my vocal production is entirely healthy, cord closure is fine across the whole 3 1/3 octave range.

In the following discussion, both Prof. Nawka and Dr. Kramer were very nice and knowledgeable. We talked about the various methods of conservative therapy, as offered by Thomas Lascheit in Berlin and Stephanie Kruse in Munich (the best in Germany). I explained that I'm in contact with them and regularly swapped opinions, so was quite up on the developments in conservative therapy.

As far as surgery goes, Prof. Nawka resolutely opined that the VFS he performs wasn't for me, since my voice functions quite well, compared to the average transwoman. He said that after surgery I would definitely wind up with a voice quality worse than what I have now, with hoarseness a frequent problem, with curtailed low-end response, but, on the average, no gain up top. And he mentioned that it could easily render the voice unsuitable for singing.

To illustrate the point, their assistant played me before-and-after samples (they're not available on the Net because German data protection laws prohibit it), and I must say they confirmed my resolve not to have the surgery in Berlin. Sure, the heavy bass response is gone, but the resulting voices are too small and weak, sometimes hoarse. And to my ears, they still sound decidedly masculine.

I then brought up the surgery performed at Yeson, and Dr. Kramer replied she was aware that excellent work was being done in that regard in Korea. I then mentioned that I had spoken to a number of Dr. Kim's patients on the phone, and that I was very impressed with their results, esp. their good, clear voice quality without hoarseness or rasp. When I mentioned that some of these patients had reported about half an octave of range gain up top, she was quite astonished. It seemed like we all found something to take home from that conversation, and parted ways.

Bottom line: Charité is no true alternative to Yeson, not in the slightest. Despite the similar approach upon cursory inspection, the Yeson results are consistently better. Berlin may be an option for people enrolled in the German health system who cannot afford Yeson, suffer from a really bad voice, and have no singing ambitions. All others are probably better advised to keep saving their pennies for the trip to Seoul.

Regards,

Amy
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AmyBerlin

Hi all,

since my VFS surgery in Seoul is now a scant 3 1/2 weeks away (woo-hoo!), the apartment booked, the money wired (and received) and generally everything taken care of, I decided today would be a good day for pre-op voice recordings. Not so. This morning I woke up and – I had caught a cold and could barely talk. I'm lucky this happened now and not later, around the time the procedure is scheduled. So I'll be taking good care of myself in order to be well soon to make the recordings I promised.

So please be patient :-)

Regards,

Amy
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anjaq

Good that this is still 3 weeks away. So you have still a lot of time to get well again, do your recordings and be in the best shape when going to Dr Kim. Rest yourself well :)

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AmyBerlin

Hi all,

slowly, but surely, I'm beginning to record my pre-op speech and singing samples. This is the first batch, sample text readings.





German
(Der Nordwind und die Sonne)
English
(Rainbow Passage)
Feminine/elevated (everyday speaking) voicehttp://vocaroo.com/i/s0fbDP36ry7Khttp://vocaroo.com/i/s0hN6hw8TOxK
Masculine (original) voicehttp://vocaroo.com/i/s0JPQiX70wiDhttp://vocaroo.com/i/s0X8tQgYcmcw

I think the distinction between the two is very evident, as is the reason just why I'd like to have this procedure done.

Love,

Amy
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Shantel

Hi Amy,
      Your feminine voice sounds very nice as it already is, so I imagine that you will have excellent results following surgery. Best wishes!
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jenn90210

your trained voice sounds great already, im sure you'll benefit a lot from this surgery.
good luck!




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Full Time - January 8, 2013
BA & Body Feminization - Dr. Suarez - Oct 5, 2013
VFS - Dr. Kim - March 18, 2014

FFS - Dr. DiMaggio - December 11, 2014
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Lara1969

I like your voice too. I had to giggle when I heard "Der Nordwind und die Sonne". The standard speech training text :-)

I hope your surgery will went well!

Lara
Happy girl from queer capital Berlin
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