is there really an essence to anything? but then, I am no Platonist

there is manhood, and womanhood, everything contains an essence. and a being. and i feel there is such a thing for women and men. something that often goes a miss in the trans community.
R

Quote from: Steph on August 16, 2007, 02:56:23 PM
Actually Mods do know it's locked, they are warned of that fact prior to posting.

Steph

Only if they start a post *after* it's locked.   Some of us are slow typists.

Quote from: Rachael on August 16, 2007, 03:05:47 PM
something that often goes a miss in the trans community.
R

Yes, that's true in the MtF trans community. In the FtM community, it  goes a mister.

i dont feel that needs changeing as a phrase, 'going amiss' isnt gendered
that quite annoys me in the trans commuinity, like the 'oh my goddess' crap
R

Quote from: Rachael on August 16, 2007, 05:18:55 PM
i dont feel that needs changeing as a phrase, 'going amiss' isnt gendered
that quite annoys me in the trans commuinity, like the 'oh my goddess' crap
R

I find it funny, but that's probably because I like puns.

not doing it agaist goddessworshipers, it just seems quite a lot of ->-bleeped-<-s have masculinsed or feminised phrases that are long standing socially used ones for themselves, where a natal person of thier gender usually never cares.
same as i get shouted at for saying 'hey guys' to a chat room full of m2f women, appanently thats rude??? (when natal girls use it regardless)

R

Guys = girls or guys and girls, any socialized woman knows that. Like dropping F bombs, very ladylike in my circles anyway, when used properly.

Quotesame as i get shouted at for saying 'hey guys' to a chat room full of m2f women, appanently thats rude??? (when natal girls use it regardless)

A lifetime of being sir'ed, mister'ed and dude'ed does make one a bit sensitive to being called a guy.

Zythyra

Quote from: Rachael on August 16, 2007, 06:04:47 PM
...it just seems quite a lot of ->-bleeped-<-s have masculinsed or feminised phrases that are long standing socially used ones for themselves, where a natal person of thier gender usually never cares.
same as i get shouted at for saying 'hey guys' to a chat room full of m2f women, appanently thats rude??? (when natal girls use it regardless)

Oh yeah, that bugs me when another TS will "correct" me by trying to get me to phrase something in a female gendered way, even though I don't want to say it that way.  I don't mind others doing it, but I don't want to be forced to use special language around others just because of their own internal unresolved issues.

Quote from: Melissa on August 16, 2007, 06:14:09 PM

Quote from: Rachael on August 16, 2007, 06:04:47 PM
...it just seems quite a lot of ->-bleeped-<-s have masculinsed or feminised phrases that are long standing socially used ones for themselves, where a natal person of thier gender usually never cares.
same as i get shouted at for saying 'hey guys' to a chat room full of m2f women, appanently thats rude??? (when natal girls use it regardless)

Oh yeah, that bugs me when another TS will "correct" me by trying to get me to phrase something in a female gendered way, even though I don't want to say it that way.  I don't mind others doing it, but I don't want to be forced to use special language around others just because of their own internal unresolved issues.

I know. 'You guys' is the same as 'y'all'. And girls do call each other 'dude'. In my neck of the woods, a woman objecting to being referred to as 'dude' or included in a 'you guys' would raise eyebrows. GGs take these terms for granted. They are not offended by them.

ive heard a girl say ' yeah man' to another girl.
an interesting one is luv - men use it to women, but women use it to men and women
->-bleeped-<-s are too uptight, and usually obsess over femininity in ways natal females just are...

R

nice.

dont ninjas suprise buttsechs pirates too in thier spare time?

R

Quote from: Nero on August 16, 2007, 06:27:58 PMThey are not offended by them.

Neither am I.  I even have been called "dude" by somebody at work who said it to everyone.  He changed it to "dudette" (it was shortly after I had gone fulltime) and I was like "whatever".  To be honest, if people made a point of constantly feminizing these phrases with me, it would certainly raise my suspicions about them.  What I DO find offensive however, is when my parents use my old name and male pronouns just to spite me.

Quote from: Melissa on August 16, 2007, 06:45:04 PM

Quote from: Nero on August 16, 2007, 06:27:58 PMThey are not offended by them.

Neither am I.  I even have been called "dude" by somebody at work who said it to everyone.  He changed it to "dudette" (it was shortly after I had gone fulltime) and I was like "whatever".  To be honest, if people made a point of constantly feminizing these phrases with me, it would certainly raise my suspicions about them.  What I DO find offensive however, is when my parents use my old name and male pronouns just to spite me.

Yeah. I can't think of a similar situation with guys, but if someone kept changing their wording instead of just calling me the way they call every other guy, I'd feel they weren't seeing me as any other male. I don't want special treatment. So I know exactly what you mean.
Transwomen who freak out about being included in a 'you guys' are demanding special treatment. That or they have absolutely no female socialization and don't know any better.

Well, this is the meaning of dude:

Quote
dude    (dd, dyd) KEY 

NOUN:

Informal An Easterner or city person who vacations on a ranch in the West.
Informal A man who is very fancy or sharp in dress and demeanor.
Slang
A man; a fellow.
dudes Persons of either sex.
TRANSITIVE VERB:
dud·ed , dud·ing , dudes

When said in the plural form, I gather it is the same as calling a bunch of people "guys";   I think that the only way this noun could be offensive is if the person saying it knows your TS history or perceives you as TS.  My two cents.


tink

yup
R

Quote from: y2gender on August 16, 2007, 06:13:04 PM

Quotesame as i get shouted at for saying 'hey guys' to a chat room full of m2f women, appanently thats rude??? (when natal girls use it regardless)

A lifetime of being sir'ed, mister'ed and dude'ed does make one a bit sensitive to being called a guy.

Zythyra

Guy (singular) = Man.

oh well, this is another thing nichole was saying, transexuals seem obsessed with femininity in language.... this shows how confuseing that can be
still, i dont mind being refered to in singular as dude, i know some people who just do it. its just them mate however, is male i feel.

R

QuoteGuy (singular) = Man.

Right. I take no offense when someone says "you guys" to a group of women, men or others. But calling me Mr, Sir, or that guy over there... sure won't get someone on my good side  >

Quotedudes Persons of either sex.
TRANSITIVE VERB:
dud·ed , dud·ing , dudes

Gotta love modern language, dude is now a verb. Wasn't when I was growing up. Shakespear is probably rolling in his (or her) grave

Ms (or perhaps Mx) Z