Hi,
I just found out that I am allowed to change my gender marker without surgeries on everything except my birth certificate and I would like to know a few things.  I definitely want it to say M instead of F but I heard that in my health insurance some things won't be covered since they're female related matters. So I am thinking of changing the other things (like my ID, and passport) and keep the F on the insurance card. Will I run into problems if I do this though?

I was wondering if anyone here has changed their gender markers on their documents before "transitioning". ( I am not sure what transitioning exactly applies to in the first place) because I don't plan on always taking testosterone  so I don't care if I "pass" as male or not. (All that matters to me is how I feel inside.)

I would guess it depends on your country's and  state/territory laws.

My endo will change my marker upon request. When she brought it up, I told her I had not earned that right yet. I'm not really sure you can just choose to have it changed without any of the typical steps.

Thank you for the replies the laws where I live doesn't require any surgeries for the change except on the birth certificate.  I am a little confused on what "transitioning" applies to however. Upon my request too , the doctor is willing to sign and document the necessary paperwork for the gender marker change but I am in a situation where I think I should just keep the F on my health insurance.

From my understanding, usually changing one's gender marker requires a medical professional to sign off that you are undergoing treatment for gender dysphoria, are going full-time, and that this gender change is intended to be permanent. (In Ohio it specifically states that it must be being carried out in a manner according to the WPATH SoC.)

So I don't know what the rules in your state are, but usually, even though no surgical intervention is required, you usually still do have to be intending to live full-time as the gender that you're changing your markers to in order to get a medical professional to sign off on it. (How they define "full-time" is usually at their own discretion, so you'd probably need to speak with the medical professional personally to see what they would consider the requirements to be.)

So I don't know what you mean by "without transitioning?" If you just mean without HRT, then yes, it's possible. It depends on the discretion of the doctor signing off on it. So talk with them and ask about it. If you mean without actually going through the social transition of attempting to live as male full-time, though, then probably not.

I'm sorry if this sounds stupid but does socially transitioning apply to binding myself until I go to sleep?  I do consider myself as the male sex (although I have no body to back that up) but I don't act like any of the typical genders. Also, I am actually very asocial and don't plan on telling anyone else about my situation except the fact that my family knows.

Here is just a little of the Passport requirements they will accept in a offical letter from a MD.
The changes have been made more for all who are full time, changed name and medicaly transitioned.


UNCLASSIFIED (U)
U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual Volume 7 Consular Affairs
7 FAM 1300 Appendix M
Page 4 of 8
UNCLASSIFIED (U)

(f) Language stating that he/she has treated the applicant or has
reviewed and evaluated the medical history of the applicant and that
he/she has a doctor/patient relationship with the applicant;
(g)Language stating the applicant has had appropriate clinical treatment
for gender transition to the new gender of either male or female; and
(h)Language stating "I declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of
the United States that the forgoing is true and correct.

You can see the whole 7 fam 130 here. http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/143160.pdf

Isabell

Thank you for the information. However I am still confused about this "full time" thing.

Quote from: makipu on March 21, 2014, 09:08:59 AM
Thank you for the information. However I am still confused about this "full time" thing.

That would be between you and the Doctor that will write the "offical letter"

Quote from: makipu on March 18, 2014, 10:57:51 AM
I'm sorry if this sounds stupid but does socially transitioning apply to binding myself until I go to sleep?  I do consider myself as the male sex (although I have no body to back that up) but I don't act like any of the typical genders. Also, I am actually very asocial and don't plan on telling anyone else about my situation except the fact that my family knows.

I am not really sure why you want to change your gender marker or why it is a big deal.  Is it that you like to go to bars and don't want to show an ID that has an F on it?  Is it that you work at an institution where you need to show your gendered ID on a regular basis?  If you don't "act like any of the typical genders" why is it important for you to intentionally declare that you are one rather just leaving the default one and saying to yourself "that means nothing about who I really am?"

If you want to have a male marker that is fine, but when you affirm yourself to be one gender or the other there are other responsibilities that go with that.  For example, you will be legally required to use the men's room in most countries (whether anyone will actually enforce this is another matter - particularly if your physical body is on the feminine side of gender ambiguous.)

I am just not really sure what you are trying to accomplish.  Unless you are wanting to go the binary male or female route the gender marker on your ID means as much (or as little) as you want it to.

Am I missing something?

To put it short, my reason is because it completely disgusts me to have the female.  Just because I am not going to act like a typical male it doesn't mean I am not one. I definitely want top surgery but not planning on continuing T but I already do use the mens bathroom.  However I am guessing this is not common at all and seems weird in this binary world. 

Quote from: makipu on March 24, 2014, 08:58:09 AM
To put it short, my reason is because it completely disgusts me to have the female.  Just because I am not going to act like a typical male it doesn't mean I am not one. I definitely want top surgery but not planning on continuing T but I already do use the mens bathroom.  However I am guessing this is not common at all and seems weird in this binary world.

I guess it might "seem weird" in a binary world because in one way it is affirming of a binary (being disgusted by having an "F" on ID) while also subverting the binary.  Thanks for helping me understand better.