http://mobile.news.com.au/world/europe/transgender-woman-wants-to-reverse-sex-change-operation-because-being-a-woman-is-exhausting/story-fnh81p7g-1227077157576

Not what I'd call "in-depth reporting."

Like being a woman is all about makeup and heels (I am wearing neither- go figure!), and they of course have to mention that it was done at taxpayers' expense.  This is nothing more than an invalidating hit piece to further an anti-trans agenda.  And yes, it's not a big surprise that a self-described "drag queen" has anxiety and depression from running on the wrong hormones.  This person clearly did not suffer from gender dysphoria and made a huge mistake.   If you're going to miss your junk, you probably shouldn't have it repurposed.  Just sayin'...

And this, kids, is one of the reasons we have to deal with gatekeepers and prejudice from the general public.  Of course they fail to mention that cases like this are a tiny minority and what the satisfaction rate of SRS REALLY is.

Bastards.

I think the problem is he didn't want to be a older woman. He was probably all fine with it when he was in his 20's partying all the the time. I love how he ran to the media with his story about how he thought being a woman was too hard. I hear complaints about gatekeeping all the time but this is further proof that they're isn't enough gate keeping.

Quote from: Heather on October 01, 2014, 12:00:27 PM
this is further proof that they're isn't enough gate keeping.

Why would you say this?

He met all the criteria for a sex change. What would would you want a gatekeeper to see?

A friend suggested SRS, so she did it.  Cause it's just that easy?  We all know that there are many levels of gatekeeping in the NHS, so we're clearly missing some important details here.  And she was initially rejected for SRS...then somehow got someone else to agree to do it.  Sounds to me like she figured out how to work the system to get what she wanted.

Besides, I don't understand why another SRS procedure would be required in order to stop wearing makeup and high heels.  How about...you know...not wearing makeup and high heels.

Interesting that she mentions suffering from depression and anxiety after HRT rather than before.  That's pretty atypical.  But she still pushed through to SRS?

She wants to have her FF-cup boobs removed.  I've never heard of a transwoman growing naturally to that size...so there most likely was a BA somewhere along the way as well.

There's got to be more to the story.

Yeah, the NHS is not known for having *too little* gatekeeping. Sounds like she jumped through all the hoops people want put in front of a transitioner, and still regrets it, which frankly supports my personal theory that someone who REALLY wants this (including for the "wrong" reasons, whatever those are to someone else) won't be discouraged by gatekeeping - they'll just lie. Also, it's not uncommon for someone who transitions to say they were never really cis before, they just didn't realize they were trans; it would stand to reason that someone who de/re-transitions might choose to frame it as having "never really been trans," when the reality is more complex and perhaps they changed or evolved differently from how they felt at the time.

(Though, Katie, I'm 42DDD - which is the same as 38FF/G or 36H - so I'm not gonna say it's impossible. All the same, I see "drag queen," "NHS paid for it," and "huge boobs," and I admit I also uncharitably think maybe she went for implants as well. At least if that's true, she should have an easier time having implants removed than someone who requires full reconstruction afterward.)

There is indeed more to the story.  She appeared on a morning talk show 5 months ago, saying she's now "finally happy with who she is." 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2605973/Katie-Price-thought-I-real-woman-I-decided-How-Jordan-inspired-drag-queen-change-gender.html

really? too little gatekeeping? how could anyone possibly come to that conclusion from a single case, especially one like this? like, here's the thing. this person has the right to do whatever they want, to make whatever choices they feel are right, up to and including whatever surgeries they want to feel comfortable in their own skin.

but to go from there and decide that the proper course of action is to make it harder for trans people to access surgery seems to me to be the height of cruelty. it's not my responsibility if someone decides that detransition is their best course of action, but it also shouldn't reflect on policies that should allow for easier access for trans people, who are still subject to a uniquely brutal, dehumanizing gantlet to prove to physicians to their satisfaction that we are suffering enough to legitimize their authorization for drugs, and then, if we're STILL suffering, then MAYBE surgery. what the fresh hell? how is that a "standard of care"?

honestly, when it comes to the possibility that cis people might accidentally take a hormone pill, i just don't care. when trans people have a system that doesn't use our suffering as a currency to access even the most basic of rights in healthcare systems, then maybe it'll matter more. but until then, i think the overwhelming priority for reducing the greatest amount of suffering is abolishing gatekeeping, and in no way instituting it more.

"It is exhausting putting on make-up and wearing heels all the time. Even then I don't feel I look like a proper woman,"

I'm under the impression that most cis women have the same feelings!

Quote from: Gothic Dandy Luca on October 01, 2014, 01:16:56 PM
"It is exhausting putting on make-up and wearing heels all the time. Even then I don't feel I look like a proper woman,"

I'm under the impression that most cis women have the same feelings!

They do and that's why so many dress very casually in jeans, tennies, and hoodies. I relate to this myself, threw out $200 worth of makeup, never want heels, dresses, or any of the so-called necessary accessories because I prefer being my own androgynous appearing non-binary self. That said, I think it's sad that this woman has created a lot of negative press for trans women by moving from drag queen to nationally televised drama queen. It's just another stick in everyone's eye as far as I'm concerned.

Quote from: suzifrommd on October 01, 2014, 12:11:38 PM
Why would you say this?

He met all the criteria for a sex change. What would would you want a gatekeeper to see?

I say this because I see a system that is so dysfunctional. Basically the answer is this has become an industry it's not about helping anyone. It's about making money I honestly don't believe transitioning is required in every case but everybody seems sold on it now. And The whole trans culture isn't really helping. Because it's helping support this flawed system by creating an atmosphere of telling everyone you have to do this to be happy. When really this is not the answer for everybody. Well I've answered your question so now I have a question of my own. Why are you so interested in this subject? You complain about gatekeeping but gatekeeping hasn't stopped you. You've had your surgery I honestly don't get what your problem is? And why is the fact I have an opinion so offensive to you?

Lol... "is tired of putting on makeup and heels"

So don't wear makeup and heels.

Somebody REALLY did not understand the definition of gender here.


You know, every time I get scared about detransition stories and worry that I'm somehow going to have SRS regrets, I need to remind myself that a lot of people like this, who think that femininity is a perpetual perfection of glamor and heels and boyfriends and feminine perfection, and who get SRS almost immediately after transitioning to fit into that ideal image of a woman better, exist. And they're the ones who keep going to the media over and over and over again trying to claim that all trans people are wrong.

Methinks as long as I hold on to my conviction that I want to be female even if it means dressing and acting like a butch lesbian, and get SRS because I've always hated having a penis, not because I want to be "female" according to society's ideals, I think I'll be fine.

 "...said she is tired of putting on make-up and wearing heels following gender reassignment surgery seven years ago.

"It is exhausting putting on make-up and wearing heels all the time. Even then I don't feel I look like a proper woman,"...


Clothes don't make the person. Wearing dresses, skirts, heels or any specific article of clothing does not make one female. I still dress pretty much the same as I did pre-transition... jeans and t-shirts. Just me maybe... but I think either more thought should have be given before making the decision in her case, or the medical pros that diagnosed, prescribed, and operated on her need to be investigated. Self-diagnosis is one thing... but there needs to be some system of checks and balances.

So you made a wrong decision because some Z list" celebrity" told you to do so and now you want to make things harder for those in genuine need?

Quote from: JennX on October 01, 2014, 08:15:43 PM
Clothes don't make the person. Wearing dresses, skirts, heels or any specific article of clothing does not make one female. I still dress pretty much the same as I did pre-transition... jeans and t-shirts.

Same here. The only difference is now I buy my sneakers and jeans in the women's sections. I also wear mostly solid color women's tops. Although I do have a few novelty shirts in the mix.

Quote from: JennX on October 01, 2014, 08:15:43 PM
Wearing dresses, skirts, heels or any specific article of clothing does not make one female.

I think all the guys here will especially agree with that statement.

Quote from: big kim on October 02, 2014, 01:34:45 AM
So you made a wrong decision because some Z list" celebrity" told you to do so and now you want to make things harder for those in genuine need?

Quote from: katiej on October 01, 2014, 12:34:12 PM
A friend suggested SRS, so she did it. 

Everyone seems to be making the assumption that she got a sex change simply because someone suggested it. Isn't it possible that the article is greatly oversimplifying the process she went through?

Especially if it was paid for by public medical funds, I'm sure a WHOLE LOT more vetting went on.

Quote from: Heather on October 01, 2014, 01:31:42 PM
Well I've answered your question so now I have a question of my own. Why are you so interested in this subject? You complain about gatekeeping but gatekeeping hasn't stopped you. You've had your surgery I honestly don't get what your problem is? And why is the fact I have an opinion so offensive to you?

Oh Heather, I hope I didn't say or imply that what you said was offensive. It just seemed like a really broad conclusion based on a badly reported story that omitted most of the facts. I'm really sorry that I implied offense. I'm actually very glad you (and others) post opinions. It's vital to a discussion.

Why am I interested? Because I read the gatekeeping stories on these forums, hear them from the support groups I attend, and am still chafing about my own. Every instances of unscrupulous/incompetent/unnecessary gatekeeping personally bothers me because I empathize with people whose lives are made hard by what I see as spurious obstacles. Many/most of these were put in place by cisgender people who have very little understanding of our conditions and how best to treat them. We as a community, however, gladly and eagerly give up our agency to them and consent happily to be patronized and condescended to.

Does that answer your question?

The article is based on a piece by a UK rag caled the mirror which is known for trash talk and sound bite reporting.

Quote from: suzifrommd on October 02, 2014, 07:54:20 AM
Oh Heather, I hope I didn't say or imply that what you said was offensive. It just seemed like a really broad conclusion based on a badly reported story that omitted most of the facts. I'm really sorry that I implied offense. I'm actually very glad you (and others) post opinions. It's vital to a discussion.

Why am I interested? Because I read the gatekeeping stories on these forums, hear them from the support groups I attend, and am still chafing about my own. Every instances of unscrupulous/incompetent/unnecessary gatekeeping personally bothers me because I empathize with people whose lives are made hard by what I see as spurious obstacles. Many/most of these were put in place by cisgender people who have very little understanding of our conditions and how best to treat them. We as a community, however, gladly and eagerly give up our agency to them and consent happily to be patronized and condescended to.

Does that answer your question?

Thanks Suzi it wasn't you I've been moody all week. And this isn't a problem I've had on Susan's but in real life. Is that ever since I started passing as its called I've had other trans women basically shoot down my opinion on anything trans related. And they will tell me oh you pass so you shouldn't comment on this. That's why I'm a bit touchy when it comes to expressing my opinions.