Quote from: ketti on October 07, 2007, 02:41:06 PM

Quote from: Berliegh on October 07, 2007, 12:33:59 PM

Quote from: Rachael on October 07, 2007, 10:46:35 AM
sorry, but which bit of you is constantly mistaken for a girl? you showed us a crew cutted pumped up young man photo?
R

....point well made Rachel........I don't know how the mistake could be made?

Well, with clothes on and longer hair it would be easier right? Also, looks isn't everything. If you behave girlish people will think you are a girl from time to time no matter how you look. A lot of real girls don't look anything like a girl

um, no, with clothes on, they would look like a muscled man with clothes on, and  just behaving girlish nomatter how you look? no, you just look like a camp man...
R

Quote from: shanetastic on October 07, 2007, 04:02:44 PM
Out of curiosity, why the need to bash kalt so much.  He (is it okay if i say that kalt?) has made decisions in his life just like all you have.  Sure it's understandable that sometimes we regret our actions, which I'm certain all of you can vouch for, but to me it seems like everyone is sort of ganging up and just trying to scare him away.

It's all the pent up stress they're keeping inside of self-dissatisfaction.
And the parroting that usually happens on online forums specific to one social group.  (bodybuilding.com, swim.com, t-nation.com, crossfit.com, etc...)

disatisfaction? im fairly happy actually
im sure kalt will love the marines when they join and are beaten to a pulp for being ts when it comes out, and thats likely.
R

Quote from: Rachael on October 07, 2007, 05:44:58 PM
disatisfaction? im fairly happy actually
im sure kalt will love the marines when they join and are beaten to a pulp for being ts when it comes out, and thats likely.
R

I'm grateful to see that the frequent users of these forums are still about their supportive, accepting ways and making sure everyone feels welcome and at home.

Kalt, being supportive isnt just pandering to every members whim and desire. Sometimes it involves giving someone a 50cc shot of reality followed by compressions and maybe shocking them...
there is no right way to transition
but there are many wrong ones, this is one of those... you seem confused, unsure of where you want to go, and do with your life, let me tell you something, i was FORCED, into the militery reserve in the uk for a year at uni by my parents to 'make a man of me' i quit and transitioned that year, it caused me to attemt suicide twice, and i dont talk about that often, but the environment, and attitudes were so detremental to my mental wellbeing, it drove me to strange things, You claim to be a male to female transexual, now thats all i can say, i cant say you are one, not every man that comes along claiming to be a woman is really suffering gid, but you need to look at yourself, and your priorities, and your life, before telling us were insensitive and uncaring.
R

To be fair to Kalt (and not to digress too much from the real topic), doing stuff like joining the military, bodybuilding and the like are pretty common amoungst M2Fs who are trying to "make a man" of themselves to escape the GID. Take a peek at Donna Rose's story and her interests in wrestling and sculpting her (male at the time) body. Even Donna was *proud* of the incredible male physique she created.

Now, I'll admit I can't relate aside from wanting to look lean and healthy (though female), but that doesn't mean Kalt's motivations aren't clear and appropriate to HER.

As for the military, it's gonna be rough for ya hon. Female breasts don't look like male chest muscles... you're not going to be able to hide them for along. Showering with everyone will become a nightmare. And as others said, if you're shipped out, just getting the drugs might be very difficult.

~Kate~

Quote from: Kate on October 08, 2007, 09:08:53 AM
To be fair to Kalt (and not to digress too much from the real topic), doing stuff like joining the military, bodybuilding and the like are pretty common amoungst M2Fs who are trying to "make a man" of themselves to escape the GID. Take a peek at Donna Rose's story and her interests in wrestling and sculpting her (male at the time) body. Even Donna was *proud* of the incredible male physique she created.

Now, I'll admit I can't relate aside from wanting to look lean and healthy (though female), but that doesn't mean Kalt's motivations aren't clear and appropriate to HER.

As for the military, it's gonna be rough for ya hon. Female breasts don't look like male chest muscles... you're not going to be able to hide them for along. Showering with everyone will become a nightmare. And as others said, if you're shipped out, just getting the drugs might be very difficult.

~Kate~

I don't think the military thing is going to go through.  I told my recruiter and it's only a matter of time till his NCOIC calls me up and says, "wtf?"
As far as working out to escape GID, that's not the case at all.
The point is, to make the best of what you've got, always.  Not many of the older people on here can make sense of that, they're blinded by one goal and one ambition only.  I make the best of what I've got whilst keeping my goal solid.  Sometimes you get a bit lost along the way, but it's better than living as a highly depressed, overly obsessed gender dysphoric individual.

Quote from: kalt on October 08, 2007, 09:32:07 AM
The point is, to make the best of what you've got, always.  Not many of the older people on here can make sense of that, they're blinded by one goal and one ambition only.  I make the best of what I've got whilst keeping my goal solid.  Sometimes you get a bit lost along the way, but it's better than living as a highly depressed, overly obsessed gender dysphoric individual.

Nah, I can relate. That's why I got married and TRIED to carve out some sort of happy life within the means (and knowledge) I had at the time. I didn't kill myself, I didn't just sit around and sulk about my GID misfortune. No, I did what I could to be happy, and to find SOME way of being female (in spirit) *within* a male life.

But I sure smelled the roses along the way, and enjoyed the fortunes I was graced with.

~Kate~

QuoteI told my recruiter and it's only a matter of time till his NCOIC calls me up and says, "wtf?"

That is not going to happen. They need bodies badly and are even lowering the standards. Unless you intervene with legal help you can count on being shipped off.

Quote from: lisagurl on October 08, 2007, 11:24:44 AM

QuoteI told my recruiter and it's only a matter of time till his NCOIC calls me up and says, "wtf?"

That is not going to happen. They need bodies badly and are even lowering the standards. Unless you intervene with legal help you can count on being shipped off.

Oh well.
If that happens then, I'll have about a year of training, then reserve time and college.
By the time it's all over, I'll be well on my way through HRT and by the time I'm out, I'll have insurance coverage that can make the entire journey much easier.
Either way, I don't care anymore.  Too much stupid stuff going on right now, I'll fight it but I won't hate it if it happens.

I cannot relate to any of this........

QuoteI'll have about a year of training, then reserve time and college.

Iraq or Afghanistan?

This is a journal entry I wrote recently.  I think it pretty much sums up what I've been saying in this thread.  Maybe it will help you guys understand where I'm coming from better.

I signed up into the marines.  I have to complete one more semester of college before I can go in though, because of my GED, so that puts me on the DEP thingy.

The problem is, is that I was thinking that if I went into the reserves, I could manage to get on hormone therapy again whilst in the reserves and hide it.  After talking with some friends on an online forum devoted specifically to and for transsexuals like myself, I discovered it wouldn't be anything like what I thought at all.

I really need some help figuring out what to do.  Right now, a small part of me wants to move on and go marines, but a bigger part of me is crying out to just stay in college and work my way through while pursuing hormone therapy, getting out with a good paying job and getting surgery ultimately.

The pros of going in the marines would be finances.  I mean, I'd get a bit more money, it's slightly conceivable that I could pursue hormnoe therapy but if I were caught the results could be very bad.  I'd also be attending college as just a regular guy then, and not who I really feel like I am, thus I would be missing out on the valuable social experiences in college.  I know the marines would be excellent for character building and all that yadeyada stuff, put the, "backbone," in me.  But do I really want that militaristic attitude?  And, is it worth sacrificing valuable time in my life that I really feel I could be putting to better use?
The pros of me not going would be that I could continue with my education immediately, work some more hours and get the cash to go on therapy within 3 or 4 months, be transfered to a university within a year and be transitioned much sooner too.  That would mean I could actually enjoy the friendships I make and not have to hide anything.

The problem in my way is that the recruiter is putting a ton of stress on me.  I told him that I didn't mention the hormone therapy, the transsexualism, the mental hospitals, or the suicide attempts on my application into the marines and he is telling me that I shouldn't worry, I'll be just fine.  I've tried to find every method I can of getting out without directly asking him, but nothing seems to work.  Lately there have been al ot of lawsuits and such because people are trying to get out of service, particularly younger guys like me who change their minds.  I don't know what will happen if I straight up ask, "please let me out now," but I can't get the courage up to ask it.  It seems like the most jackass, rude thing for me to ask for after they've worked amazingly hard(yes, very, very hard) to get me in.  I just can't shake it.  I want to be female, I want to continue the journey I started so long ago.  I have to do it now or later.

On top of this, my parents are trying to divorce, my mother's still being a neglectful bitch to my brothers who are both diagnosed now as autistic and are attending intervention programs.  I'm smoking again to help cope with the stress.

I'm just freaking out.  I'm torn between a want to do what's right for my country and do what's right for myself.  Is doing what I want to do really such a bad thing?

my friend just got kicked out of the navy. . .  He just failed the drug test   Ever think about that?  I know it's horrible but it could be a resort

QuoteI'm torn between a want to do what's right for my country and do what's right for myself

The leadership is not doing what is right for the country or the population of the world. Why have guilt about not serving in a volunteer army. This country hires just as many mercenaries with Blackwater at a lot higher pay. The best thing you can do for your country is vote intelligently.

P.S. Take a few courses in political science and start with the Greeks.

Have your gone to MEPS and raised your right hand and signed your contract at MEPS?

I only ask as someone who has gone through the transistion from National Guard to Active Duty and to Reserves in the past.

Posted on: October 08, 2007, 05:15:47 PM

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Quote from: lisagurl on October 08, 2007, 04:55:48 PM

QuoteI'm torn between a want to do what's right for my country and do what's right for myself

The leadership is not doing what is right for the country or the population of the world. Why have guilt about not serving in a volunteer army. This country hires just as many mercenaries with Blackwater at a lot higher pay. The best thing you can do for your country is vote intelligently.

P.S. Take a few courses in political science and start with the Greeks.

You do of course realize that these blackwater employees have around 15-20 years military experience in the special ops right?  Thats why they make good pay.  They are very good at what they do.

QuoteYou do of course realize that these blackwater employees have around 15-20 years military experience in the special ops right?  Thats why they make good pay.  They are very good at what they do.

That is not the point. When a country has to hire military to fight their wars they no longer have the support of the citizens. All civilizations that hired their defense or out sourced it  have failed. The poor end up fighting the rich mans battle. They do not fight for ideals, rather they do it for money.

QuoteAll that aside, I made it through and believe just about anyone can if they can just play by the rules.

Karen Lyn
USMC - Semper Fidelis

I have much respect for the Corps.  I served in the Coast Guard when they had a 14-week basic training.  I had no idea of what to expect.  I figured that they wouldn't do anything to kill me because of the paperwork involved, so I left my mind elsewhere and did as I was ordered.

Boot camp had its white tornadoes, sea bag inspections, midnight marches into the ocean with a full sea bag and your piece, in dress blues, lots of yelling, cursing, and less-than-pleasant times.  Most of us who joined survived basic and earned our benefits.

In basic, not only is the shower communal, there are no partitions between toilets.  Everyone works together as a cohesive company so individualism is expressed elsewhere.  There is also a form of basic justice within the members of the company in training.  Everyone pulls their own weight and at times pulls a flagging member along, however, it don't work like that every day for 12 or 14 weeks.

This might not be a good time in history to believe that you'll just be allowed to go quietly into the night, Kalt.  Given that I have no idea of all that took place during your recruitment, I would not be surprised if the recruiter came to your residence to give you a ride to the recruiting and induction center.  There is also the possibility that a U.S. Marshall or two might pay a call.  That's how it was in the "old days" of the 1960s.  Others have told you that the standards for recruiting have been lowered and you seem to have qualified.  I agree with Karen Lyn, that anyone can make it through basic if they play by the rules.

For Karen Lyn:  Atten-hut!!!  Hand saluute!  Two!

Wing Walker
Semper Paratus

Well I a glad I never had to serve for the military. They weren't recruiting in Canada during the Vietnam war and I was living in New york at the time in a Hippy commune, "as a girl" Yep in my Mid teens I had hair to my butt, I did look much like a girl and when I got the opportunity to live in a commune I jumped for it, and certainly never put up an argument to the contrary of their believing I was a girl. I seen some of the guys coming back from that war, old, tiered and gaunt looking and their brains somewhat rattled, and that was the lucky ones that made it back and still attached to all their limbs.

I did try to join the military when I got back home from New york but I only spent two weeks in recruiting, climbing under the fence and going across the road to buy beer out of the beer machine in front of the Old Folks home. I got kicked out because I was to small. Ge how did I hate being a runt back then. I moved to the res after some years wondering around. I made a friend who I became good friends with, his name was Robert, a Vietnam vet. He drank himself to death cirrhosis of the liver. He died while I held him in my arms.

Cindy



     

And I thought I was good at getting myself in troubble.....

KK, a current diagnosis of GID that hasnt been recended is means for both disqualification for military service in ALL branches of the military and means for instant dissmissal should it be discovered.....

You were considering AAs only while in the reserves...  thing is the physical effects of the AA's would show up in your physicals... you testicles would shrink... and possably other things too... breast tissue would increase even with out takeing E <you body does produce some> and most AA's are heart medication which alter your blood pressure among many other things...  no way to hide it....

Now for the really bad news...  You went through the whole process of inlisting and falsified information on government documents...  Id seriously consider getting a lawyers help inorder to get out of it with out the military wringing you dry...

KK, finaly, if your getting kicked out of your parrents <been there done that>  Get a cheap appartment, or find a friend to rent a room from or something...  In most populated <urban> areas there are jobs available that you can work around your school schedual...  I know how hard it is to survive with just the most basic of an "education" It dosnt matter how good you are, or what you know, its all about the level written on that stupid piece of paper you hold... So get that paper with the highst level possable... Ittle help allot.

Ive been in the psych center twice. Ive been kicked out of my parrents and been disowned by most of my family.  Really the military is not an option for us... even if were not specificly banned from the milatary they can allways find a way to get rid of you the moment they find out. Play it safe and find a decent job, finish school, and be who you are.  GID can make you one big tough mean SOB,but do you really want to spend all the years necicary to undo that kind of damage?

Reguardless of what you do, be safe, make informed desicions, and most of all be true to yourself...

Good luck