I have been wanting to transition for awhile. I've not started any hormones or anything. The picture below is just how i look naturally. I just don't know if i would transition well or if i would still look like a guy. I know its hard to say because no one can say what hormones will do exactly. But some feedback and insight from people going through it already will definitely help. Thanks!!!

Like you said its hard to say what hormones will do for sure. But if we are voting I think you would do fine. looking at you and imagining what you might look like dressed as a women clean shaven, make up etc.. I personally don't think you would have a problem.

Hey Joey

Welcome to Susan's    Great to have you here - looking forward to seeing you around the forum.

Unfortunately transition is a very personal thing, works great for some and is a struggle for others. Generally you don't know until you know. Passing is not just about looks but a whole range of other factors including presentation, confidence and how much you believe in yourself. You say you haven't started hormones, have you been to see a gender counsellor? They will hopefully help you to lay look into how you want to proceed, the steps to take and how to go about it. In many ways that is where you should be starting rather than, at the moment, being worried about pass ability. From the photos you have posted though I don't see why you couldn't pass.

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Grace

You have a better starting point than most in my opinion.

I'll be blunt: IMO you have a 95%+ chance of not only passing but being hot. If I read your name correctly you're only 22, you don't have ANYTHING to worry about if so. You look like you have great base features as well.

I'm not a ->-bleeped-<- because I simply expect the same candid opinions from others in return, so If I thought you were completely screwed I simply wouldn't post. As long as you put in a respectable effort you'll be fine. Look up sona avedian if you want to see a great example of the drastic changes possible.

I agree with ErinS! I think you're already very pretty. You even have a round, non-receded female hairline, which is something late-transitioners don't usually have. Grow your hair out and remove the facial hair and your face alone will definitely pass.

I totally agree with Erin and runaway.  You have a great hair line now.  You also have beautiful feminine facial features, with that awesome jaw line and narrow chin.

And from the last picture you've definitely got the right hight and the legs to be able to wear heels and pass wonderfully.

So definitely follow runaway's advice and start by growing your hair out and then start beard removal.

I also think you have a great starting point. And you're young so I have no doubt you'll be really a pretty girl! :3

Totally agree, you have a fantastic starting point from which to transition. In saying that though, even the youngest of person with the best of features can make terrible mistakes by not thinking things through and most importantly plan plan plan!

As Grace suggested, a Gender Therapist is a great starting point, and in most country's a nesesary step in transition.

But don't worry about your physical looks, you have the potential to do just fine. Worry more about the things we can't see, these are things that can make it all a painful terrible mess if not managed correctly.

Gee, that last bit sounded quite morbid, oops, Bree needs some sleep I think 

Hugs,
Bree

Quote from: Joeymtf92 on November 06, 2014, 10:41:18 PM
I have been wanting to transition for awhile. I've not started any hormones or anything. The picture below is just how i look naturally. I just don't know if i would transition well or if i would still look like a guy. I know its hard to say because no one can say what hormones will do exactly. But some feedback and insight from people going through it already will definitely help. Thanks!!!

Transition isn't about looking good. It's about being your authentic self. If you are truly meant to live as a woman, your looks are immaterial.

I know many non-passing trans women who transitioned, very, very well, and are thrilled with their transitions.

There are as many things transition is about as there are people who transition. I know for me looks are not immaterial, if they are for you, more power to you.

That said I think you can look decent. Most pretty people are good looking whatever gender they are and you are the pretty boy type it seems to me

Quote from: suzifrommd on November 07, 2014, 07:59:38 AM
Transition isn't about looking good. It's about being your authentic self. If you are truly meant to live as a woman, your looks are immaterial.

I know many non-passing trans women who transitioned, very, very well, and are thrilled with their transitions.

Normally I would agree with you Suzi, however what 22 year old is not going to be concerned with their looks? I would love to say I couldn't care less what I look like and so long as I have the right attitude I'll be fine, however as someone born in the wrong body, I'm already at a disadvantage with my looks. I want to be the best I can in mind, body and soul.

But I do agree that being yourself is important, and adds to the total package of who we are. Authenticity and all ..

I'm pretty sure with the proper mannerisms, make-over and outfit, you could probably pass right now. And turn quite a few heads too.

Quote from: suzifrommd on November 07, 2014, 07:59:38 AM
Transition isn't about looking good. It's about being your authentic self. If you are truly meant to live as a woman, your looks are immaterial.

I know many non-passing trans women who transitioned, very, very well, and are thrilled with their transitions.

Not trying to argue, but the reason I am transitioning is so I look like the woman I am, and it's not so much about passing, is it is about being able to look in the mirror and not hate myself. I understand that being a non-passable trans woman has it's joys and is a fine life to live but, for me, and maybe others, passing (can someone come up with a better word, thanks) bestows upon one's self not only the baility to look in the mirror but also having people treat you like a woman.

But that's a whole other can of worms. The only person who calls me smart now is my mom. Before transition, it's was always "wow, you're so smart." Now it's "You're a know-it-all" and that's a good day. Usually it's haveing any opinion summarily dismissed. However, as unhealthy as that is, it does help me achive my goal: to be recognkized and treated like a woman. People always say transtion won't change the "essenital you...but it does, a lot." Because simply looking completely female will re-socialize you.

To the OP: I'm really smart, (just kidding) so you should heed my words. You will pass wonderfullly as your face is round like mine and you're eight or so years younger. You have delicate features, pretty eyes and I think you have no worries other than within a year you won't pass as a man. I don't. So, yeah.

Hrt may not change the face much at all, not to mention that the face change is one of the longest to happen. I see so many here with unrealistic expectations of hrt, which is worrisome. So take what everyone is saying here with a grain salt as the saying goes because until you actually start you won't know for sure as to how well your body will respond to estrogen. That being said you do have some lovely features as a base like I did and I started around 21.

Quote from: Ms Grace on November 06, 2014, 11:25:28 PM
Hey Joey

Unfortunately transition is a very personal thing, works great for some and is a struggle for others. Generally you don't know until you know. Passing is not just about looks but a whole range of other factors including presentation, confidence and how much you believe in yourself. You say you haven't started hormones, have you been to see a gender counsellor? They will hopefully help you to lay look into how you want to proceed, the steps to take and how to go about it. In many ways that is where you should be starting rather than, at the moment, being worried about pass ability. From the photos you have posted though I don't see why you couldn't pass.

Cheers

Grace

I have been going to a gender therapist for a few months now. I've done a little modeling as a male. That's the job i want for my future, that's why I worry about transitioning. Some may think I shouldn't worry about looks and more about feeling myself. But for me it's both due to the career I want.

As for everyone else who has said i would pass really well, thank you so much <3

Well, if you want to do female modeling I'm curious what your figure is like? That top is super cute but I can't really tell anything about your figure from it. In all seriousness though the modelling industry is brutal and I wouldn't want to get too hung about its insane requirements to the point of not transitioning. There are definitely some very pretty transgender girls doing some modelling out there!

Hey Joey

Your physical material is more than good enough, so no need to add to what others have said.

They key things are your expectations.  In changing gender you gain and you lose, and it's really important to understand which of these are in your control, or not.

Fundamentally you gain by becoming a woman.  For me, finally I feel comfortable in my skin.  There is no blueprint for being a woman, so don't go chasing after ideal shapes, sizes or presentation.  Becoming a woman for many of us it requires hard work and dedication.  Hair removal and voice training are two areas which require time and effort.  And money. 

What could you lose?  Well, for a time you'll be in transition.  It's a weird space, and confuses people in a public setting - you need to be a bit thick skinned for a while.  But, depending on where you live, you could and should use it to your advantage - many people are attracted to androgynous types, for example.    You do lose in terms of personal security - you simply can't swagger through certain parts of your city without feeling a little insecure, and for me it is sometimes a bit creepy when taxi drivers hit on me late at night.  Also, depending on the type of job you're in, you may lose power and influence - women have to prove themselves in a way which men do not.    You could also lose time:  people judge how women look, so hair and makeup take time.  I work in a corporate setting and need to look good.  Getting ready in the morning takes an hour.

You're nice looking as a male, and the reason I'm going on about the negatives is so that you think carefully about your decision.  HRT is good and useful, but it's just one part of the equation and won't of itself turn you into a pretty girl.  But for most of us on this site, we're here because we got to a point of knowing that we needed to do this despite the negatives.  I have no regrets. Not one!

Hugs
Julia

Quote from: Julia-Madrid on November 08, 2014, 03:24:27 AM
Hey Joey

Your physical material is more than good enough, so no need to add to what others have said.

They key things are your expectations.  In changing gender you gain and you lose, and it's really important to understand which of these are in your control, or not.

Fundamentally you gain by becoming a woman.  For me, finally I feel comfortable in my skin.  There is no blueprint for being a woman, so don't go chasing after ideal shapes, sizes or presentation.  Becoming a woman for many of us it requires hard work and dedication.  Hair removal and voice training are two areas which require time and effort.  And money. 

What could you lose?  Well, for a time you'll be in transition.  It's a weird space, and confuses people in a public setting - you need to be a bit thick skinned for a while.  But, depending on where you live, you could and should use it to your advantage - many people are attracted to androgynous types, for example.    You do lose in terms of personal security - you simply can't swagger through certain parts of your city without feeling a little insecure, and for me it is sometimes a bit creepy when taxi drivers hit on me late at night.  Also, depending on the type of job you're in, you may lose power and influence - women have to prove themselves in a way which men do not.    You could also lose time:  people judge how women look, so hair and makeup take time.  I work in a corporate setting and need to look good.  Getting ready in the morning takes an hour.

You're nice looking as a male, and the reason I'm going on about the negatives is so that you think carefully about your decision.  HRT is good and useful, but it's just one part of the equation and won't of itself turn you into a pretty girl.  But for most of us on this site, we're here because we got to a point of knowing that we needed to do this despite the negatives.  I have no regrets. Not one!

Hugs
Julia

Oh that middle ground, Eeek, I just want it to end! At the moment Im in the middle phase, I get looked at a lot, in fact I think they stare. It's basically a femme gay look, and it stands out. But hey, don't mind at all, it's just part of the journey.

But just be aware of what your gaining, and all the things  your losing. For me, it's a no brainer, I could have gone on for the rest of me life wandering around without a clue, or I could b honest with myself. I chose the latter and haven't looked back.

Quote from: Joeymtf92 on November 06, 2014, 10:41:18 PM
I have been wanting to transition for awhile. I've not started any hormones or anything. The picture below is just how i look naturally. I just don't know if i would transition well or if i would still look like a guy. I know its hard to say because no one can say what hormones will do exactly. But some feedback and insight from people going through it already will definitely help. Thanks!!!
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I really don't think transition is based on what one looks like unless it's for business decision. I do think you look great and would post transition too.