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Do I Look, or Could I Pass, as Female? 3.0

Started by V M, April 18, 2014, 05:41:48 PM

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Shantel

Quote from: lemons on November 09, 2014, 12:30:34 PM
I'm really reluctant to keep this top because I feel it does nothing good for my upper body,(makes my shoulders and upper body look like a linebacker) no matter how I wear a skirt underneath it. (whether high waisted or letting the top hang down)  I look really clockable in most of these to myself:



I really don't think so, you're seeing something different probably based on your former self perception which is pretty common. That top looks very feminine on you, keep it!
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April_TO

No dont get rid of that top. Give it to me :D
It's very feminine and very cute on you.

You are 101% pass..gorgeous!

Quote from: lemons on November 09, 2014, 12:30:34 PM
I'm really reluctant to keep this top because I feel it does nothing good for my upper body,(makes my shoulders and upper body look like a linebacker) no matter how I wear a skirt underneath it. (whether high waisted or letting the top hang down)  I look really clockable in most of these to myself:


Nothing ventured nothing gained
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April_TO

Thanks again Amber and Shantel xoxo
You ladies are amazing and great support to this community.

Quote from: amber roskamp on November 09, 2014, 05:59:11 AM
Thanks!  This is definitely a better pic in my opinion. You have a really elegant smile!
Nothing ventured nothing gained
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BeingSonia

Quote from: Shantel on November 08, 2014, 08:33:51 PM
You have a nice face! Rome wasn't invented in a day, it takes time and patience. You go girl!

Thanks Shantel!
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liz

Quote from: April Lee on November 09, 2014, 11:18:28 AM



Well I think you are beatiful especially on this one, you seem more relax and serene. Keep this attitude if you can, we can see the sparkles in your eyes. I'm sure you pass very well.
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liz

Quote from: carmenkate on November 09, 2014, 01:29:45 AM
This pic should be more friendlier :D



This pictures made me want to be your friend you look great and are inviting friendship :)
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April_TO

Thanks Liz, let's be friends :)

Quote from: liz on November 09, 2014, 04:36:00 PM
This pictures made me want to be your friend you look great and are inviting friendship :)
Nothing ventured nothing gained
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Danielle Emmalee

Discord, I'm howlin' at the moon
And sleepin' in the middle of a summer afternoon
Discord, whatever did we do
To make you take our world away?

Discord, are we your prey alone,
Or are we just a stepping stone for taking back the throne?
Discord, we won't take it anymore
So take your tyranny away!
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stephaniec

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Alaia

Hey all, been a while since I've posted anything here. I recently reached out to several surgeons asking for FFS recommendations. I already know some of the procedures I want, but I'm curious what others would consider in my position. I guess maybe I'm just looking for validation that I'm not being overly critical. Every time I tell a friend what I'm considering they are like 'oh you don't need anything, your face is great!' And while I appreciate that they are trying to affirm that I'm great as I am, I still think that FFS could greatly improve my appearance as well as my quality of life and general happiness. See, I don't want there to be any guesswork in people's minds as to whether I'm male or female when they look at me. I want to be free to walk around in public without worrying about whether someone is going to react badly. Not saying that I don't have the strength to deal with that now and tell someone to shove it if they are being an A-hole. But it can get tiresome dealing with that all the time, or even just worrying about it.

So anyway, pictures of my face are below in all it's naked no-makeup glory with hair pulled back. Tell me what you think. Currently I'm considering the following: brow lift, forehead/brow/orbital rim contouring, hairline lowering, rhinoplasty (subtle refinement), lip lift and augmentation, maybe cheek augmentation, trachea shave, and something to address dark spots under eyes (blepharoplasty or fillers or both, whatever is recommended)






"Let yourself be silently drawn by the strange pull of what you really love. It will not lead you astray."

― Rumi
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Nicolette

Quote from: Danielle Emmalee on November 10, 2014, 12:16:12 AM


The difference is like night and day. I first thought that you had $20,000 worth of FFS, but it seems all you did was start HRT and pluck those brows. I thought you were against HRT?
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Brenda E

Quote from: Alaia on November 10, 2014, 04:16:37 AMSo anyway, pictures of my face are below in all it's naked no-makeup glory with hair pulled back. Tell me what you think. Currently I'm considering the following: brow lift, forehead/brow/orbital rim contouring, hairline lowering, rhinoplasty (subtle refinement), lip lift and augmentation, maybe cheek augmentation, trachea shave, and something to address dark spots under eyes (blepharoplasty or fillers or both, whatever is recommended)

You need nothing Alaia - if that's your stripped-down photo, you look far prettier than most stripped-down cis-women.

But since you asked, and since such broad compliments are often less than constructive...

Your hair seems ok to me, but the hairline could be moved forward a little bit, depending on how much you wear your hair pulled back and regularly showing the natural hairline.  And the trachea shave might be a good idea, only because in the photos it stands out a little bit.

The stuff in between the hairline and the trachea - the whole "face" part of you - looks pretty good to me.  As with all of us, there's tweaks here and there which might help, but nothing screams "man!"  If your surgeon can produce results that are extremely subtle and undetectable, then it might be a good move; just don't end up with a face that looks like it's obviously had work done.  There's already a very cute girl in those photos (and in your avatar pic), and it would be a shame to ruin that cute natural look with some aggressive surgery. :)
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amber roskamp

Alaia you look great, but if you feel like you need ffs go for it. I think that the most beneficial ones for you would be the hairline lowering, a brow lift, and a trachea shave. 
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Just Shelly

Quote from: Alaia on November 10, 2014, 04:16:37 AM
Hey all, been a while since I've posted anything here. I recently reached out to several surgeons asking for FFS recommendations. I already know some of the procedures I want, but I'm curious what others would consider in my position. I guess maybe I'm just looking for validation that I'm not being overly critical. Every time I tell a friend what I'm considering they are like 'oh you don't need anything, your face is great!' And while I appreciate that they are trying to affirm that I'm great as I am, I still think that FFS could greatly improve my appearance as well as my quality of life and general happiness. See, I don't want there to be any guesswork in people's minds as to whether I'm male or female when they look at me. I want to be free to walk around in public without worrying about whether someone is going to react badly. Not saying that I don't have the strength to deal with that now and tell someone to shove it if they are being an A-hole. But it can get tiresome dealing with that all the time, or even just worrying about it.

So anyway, pictures of my face are below in all it's naked no-makeup glory with hair pulled back. Tell me what you think. Currently I'm considering the following: brow lift, forehead/brow/orbital rim contouring, hairline lowering, rhinoplasty (subtle refinement), lip lift and augmentation, maybe cheek augmentation, trachea shave, and something to address dark spots under eyes (blepharoplasty or fillers or both, whatever is recommended)



I never comment on anyone's pics....but because you seem to look very similar to myself I felt I needed too. :)

Honestly the only thing I would definitely do if I was in your position is a trachea shave. Fortunately I don't have any Adams apple.....never even knew I didn't  LOL

For the rest, yes you (or I) could definitely have some other procedures....but nothing a little....and I mean a little makeup can't take care of. My hairline is very similar to yours....maybe even a bit more receded above the temples. I'm not ecstatic over it, but I'm also not the only woman with a similar hairline.

There is something about the width of your face between the area of your ears that seems more male than female BUT!!! you have no makeup on! Eye makeup can make a huge difference! With eye makeup I am sure I would not notice this as much. The amount of space between the upper lip and nose is also more in the male range BUT!! again nothing severe....and also nothing a little makeup can't pull the eye away from.

In all I think you look pretty decent for no makeup.....I give you kudos!! Something I definitely couldn't do :)  Without makeup I think I would gender you female around 70-80% the 70 only being the Adams apple, without that I would say 80%. I think you would be fine without any FFS but possible a trachea shave.
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Alaia

Quote from: Brenda E on November 10, 2014, 06:23:52 AM
You need nothing Alaia - if that's your stripped-down photo, you look far prettier than most stripped-down cis-women.

But since you asked, and since such broad compliments are often less than constructive...

Your hair seems ok to me, but the hairline could be moved forward a little bit, depending on how much you wear your hair pulled back and regularly showing the natural hairline.  And the trachea shave might be a good idea, only because in the photos it stands out a little bit.

The stuff in between the hairline and the trachea - the whole "face" part of you - looks pretty good to me.  As with all of us, there's tweaks here and there which might help, but nothing screams "man!"  If your surgeon can produce results that are extremely subtle and undetectable, then it might be a good move; just don't end up with a face that looks like it's obviously had work done.  There's already a very cute girl in those photos (and in your avatar pic), and it would be a shame to ruin that cute natural look with some aggressive surgery. :)

Thanks Brenda, I appreciate it. And I absolutely agree about not ruining my natural look--I don't want anything overly aggressive done in the areas mentioned, just a subtle refinement.


Quote from: Hanazono on November 10, 2014, 06:40:34 AM
When I read FFS, I went to look at your pics and thought - Not bad for postop pics. But it boggles my mind you have not had FFS yet. Maybe you could just save the money for other stuff.
Thank you for your comment Hanazono. I suppose I could save money for other stuff, but I really believe the money spent on FFS is an investment in which the emotional dividends will far outweigh the costs. This isn't something that I've considered lightly. I realize my face is very androgynous, but I still feel there are enough male markers there for it to be perceived as male rather than female. All I want is to just slightly correct and soften things so that my face readily reads female.


Quote from: amber roskamp on November 10, 2014, 06:48:33 AM
Alaia you look great, but if you feel like you need ffs go for it. I think that the most beneficial ones for you would be the hairline lowering, a brow lift, and a trachea shave. 
Thank you so much Amber! Your comment was short, to the point, and provided an opinion without coming off as judgmental--which is exactly what I was looking for. I really appreciate it. :)


Quote from: Just Shelly on November 10, 2014, 08:36:09 AM
I never comment on anyone's pics....but because you seem to look very similar to myself I felt I needed too. :)

Honestly the only thing I would definitely do if I was in your position is a trachea shave. Fortunately I don't have any Adams apple.....never even knew I didn't  LOL

For the rest, yes you (or I) could definitely have some other procedures....but nothing a little....and I mean a little makeup can't take care of. My hairline is very similar to yours....maybe even a bit more receded above the temples. I'm not ecstatic over it, but I'm also not the only woman with a similar hairline.

There is something about the width of your face between the area of your ears that seems more male than female BUT!!! you have no makeup on! Eye makeup can make a huge difference! With eye makeup I am sure I would not notice this as much. The amount of space between the upper lip and nose is also more in the male range BUT!! again nothing severe....and also nothing a little makeup can't pull the eye away from.

In all I think you look pretty decent for no makeup.....I give you kudos!! Something I definitely couldn't do :)  Without makeup I think I would gender you female around 70-80% the 70 only being the Adams apple, without that I would say 80%. I think you would be fine without any FFS but possible a trachea shave.

Some really good input there Shelly, I appreciate it. These pictures don't completely show my hairline either, it actually goes pretty high on the sides, which makes styling very annoying as I have to place my hair in a way to hide it. But you're right, many cis women have the same issue, I know a couple at work that are in that position.

Your comments also picked up on one of the areas I'm very torn over, the width of my face. I'm certain a well done cheek augmentation would address this, but I'm also wondering if I shouldn't just wait that one out. Another year or two of HRT could very well address that. Although I don't think it could hurt anything to have it done either. I dunno, I'll have to see what the doctors say during consultation and then give it some more thought.

And yeah, with makeup on I am perceived as female for the most part. But I'd like to take things from 70-80% up to 90-95%. I know I specified several areas I'm considering getting work done on, but really, I'm going to stress with the doctor that I don't want anything too extreme. I know I'm almost there and a subtle approach to take me the rest of the way is all that is needed.



"Let yourself be silently drawn by the strange pull of what you really love. It will not lead you astray."

― Rumi
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Sammy

I wanted to take a full body pic with proportions and whatnot. It sort of worked out and at least I know now that I need to clean that mirror.
Smiley picture


Mean looking


And just to prove that is is all about right angles etc etc etc.
A boy :D (lol, this body can do more pull-ups than my best male friend...)

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Danielle Emmalee

Quote from: Nicolette on November 10, 2014, 05:11:07 AM
The difference is like night and day. I first thought that you had $20,000 worth of FFS, but it seems all you did was start HRT and pluck those brows. I thought you were against HRT?

Thanks! I was at one point planning to not be on HRT.  Changed my mind
Discord, I'm howlin' at the moon
And sleepin' in the middle of a summer afternoon
Discord, whatever did we do
To make you take our world away?

Discord, are we your prey alone,
Or are we just a stepping stone for taking back the throne?
Discord, we won't take it anymore
So take your tyranny away!
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AnnaCannibal

Emily, even in that boy mode your face says feminine. 
Is it progression if a cannibal uses a fork?
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Clarity

I so want to post a recent photo of me for this, but I can't seem to figure out this stupid hyper-linking thing. My current avatar photo is from about 2 months ago. I don't normally go with straight hair though. I have natural curls. The hair I have in my photo is from getting a stylist to straighten it. Anyways, I could use some feedback.

Shantel

Quote from: Clarity on November 10, 2014, 08:18:13 PM
I so want to post a recent photo of me for this, but I can't seem to figure out this stupid hyper-linking thing. My current avatar photo is from about 2 months ago. I don't normally go with straight hair though. I have natural curls. The hair I have in my photo is from getting a stylist to straighten it. Anyways, I could use some feedback.

You have to upload your photos to an online photo hosting site like ImageShack or one of those and they provide a link to download to a forum.
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