ffs sure helps, although i was in a club last night, hair plastered to my head, and passed fine, no ffs.... infact i got wolfwhistled when i left... so ffs isnt some necesery proceedure like grs...
R

firstly, as this thread has derailed, to the O/P, hrt will do wonders for your face, you have a fairly fine jaw which will help heaps, also growing out your hair will do wonders too.

the problem with ffs to me is that the faces that have been touched they all look, not quite right to me, almost if they were too symmetrical, don't know why, also another promblem with ffs is that when i see the term ffs i think "for F***s sake"

but on the age and transition thing, well i transitioned at 31 after an abortive attempt when i was 20 (i may mention that later, but i know Rachael knows) I have been bloody lucky really. kinda went full time after 2 months of hrt, and now i'm pretty much done

it's luck half the time, and having decent support helps too

~I.V.

shes right. ivy's a hottie, but its irelevant, ive often found folk with plastic surgery on thier face pass worse.. its obvious, and people wonder why they had the surgery... what is most important, is looking female, not like a model... its gender dysphoria, not attractiveness dysphoria.
R

Quote from: Rachael on November 14, 2007, 05:54:35 AM
ive often found folk with plastic surgery on thier face pass worse.. its obvious, and people wonder why they had the surgery...

I respectfully disagree.  Of course it can be overdone and that's not a pleasant look.  I more often see people who think they pass and I wonder why they don't do something about it.  It's called denial!  I think the best FFS procedures are ones that are very subtle.  (I say this as I recover from one of those subtle fixes.)

Kristi

Quote from: Rachael on November 14, 2007, 04:48:29 AM
ffs sure helps, although i was in a club last night, hair plastered to my head, and passed fine, no ffs.... infact i got wolfwhistled when i left... so ffs isnt some necesery proceedure like grs...
R

I think its all relative.  For someone that "needs" FFS, they might feel the same way about GRS.  For others, simply having the right face might be more important then having the right genitals (other threads have already beat this to death).

Quote from: Rachael on November 14, 2007, 05:54:35 AM
shes right. ivy's a hottie, but its irelevant, ive often found folk with plastic surgery on thier face pass worse.. its obvious, and people wonder why they had the surgery... what is most important, is looking female, not like a model... its gender dysphoria, not attractiveness dysphoria.
R

I spent a LOT of time (aka "was obsessed") early on talking with people who've had FFS and poking through endless before/after photos... and while results vary, the vast majority looked rather natural to me. Or at LEAST looked female. If it came down to it, I'd rather look like a female who "had something done" anyway, than be seen as a male, ya know?

On the other hand, for myself, I was thinking EXACTLY what you said: I don't want to risk ruining what I already have, either for beauty or 100% passability. A friend of mine says I'm in denial, and I WILL have FFS someday. But I don't think so. If I was being "sirred" everywhere and wasn't being seen as Kate in society, then sure... it'd be worth it. But residual male markers and all, my life now is still pretty neat

~Kate~

Kate,

From your pics and the stories you have shared, you are certainly not one who would seem to need FFS.  Unless somehow it would improve your quality of life, it sounds like you are doing just great.  Why mess up a good thing?


Kristi

I think there is a herd mentality that says you HAVE to have FFS.  Some people do, not everyone has to; but I think its lead more people to thinking they're not passable when they really are.  It just feeds in to the cash cow mentality that too many people exploit in the transition process.

We're all insecure on some level, tell me I NEED something, especially something that hits every aspect of my insecurites and I can't throw enough cash at you to make myself feel better.

I will never bother with FFS I know that I do not need it and it would just be a massive waste of money.

Even if I do not transition I am considering some FFS at some point.   To soften the lines,  adjust the hairline, and trachae shave.

Will I look like a women -- probably not.   

However I will not do this until my skin is smooth with Laser and ELectrolysis...

Daisy

i dont NEED it, but at some point i would consider getting my jaw smaller, not with a trans ffs specialist, but just as a woman, getting something she doesnt like changed, it doenst stop me passing, and some like it, but i dont, so i might at some point, have it hacked off...
ive no addams apple to cut of, no brow ridge, and nice cheakbones, so if i stop being such a fat heffer, ill be ok
R

Quote from: Enigma on November 14, 2007, 08:57:42 AM

I think its all relative.  For someone that "needs" FFS, they might feel the same way about GRS.  For others, simply having the right face might be more important then having the right genitals (other threads have already beat this to death).

I've seen one really great ffs result, it was so subtle, though the girl who had it was kinda non conventual.

the issue with ffs that i've seen, and remember this is from what i have seen. is that it leaves a very symmetrical face, which always just doesn't look right.

it's just things that have been pointed out to me by makeup artists, when i was a (male) model*.

~I.V.

*on a side note, even though i i.d. as an androgyne, i have modeled as a female too, that was fun.

Quote from: Rachael on November 14, 2007, 02:16:16 PM
i dont NEED it, but at some point i would consider getting my jaw smaller, not with a trans ffs specialist, but just as a woman, getting something she doesnt like changed, it doenst stop me passing, and some like it, but i dont, so i might at some point, have it hacked off...
ive no addams apple to cut of, no brow ridge, and nice cheakbones, so if i stop being such a fat heffer, ill be ok
R

Rachel --- it is hard for me to ever see as anything other than female..

Rachael's eyes are really good. Most Male to Female's struggle in the eye department and they hav eyes that are small and burried within the sockets (like mine). Also she has the right amount of fat in her face which is also a female trait. I struggle to get fat into my face and it remains too thin and boney.

I think the younger you are the more chance HRT will work on you...but there are also exceptions to the rule but it's usually the young who benefit.

Berliegh, you KNOW i dont lie, or beat around the bush, you look nothing but female from all of your pictures ive seen....

and your calling me fat! OMG:P
R

Rachael -- she is not calling you FAT!!

You have just a little more than this guy which rounds out the lines:


LOL!!!!

I like the way you did your Eyes....  I tried but just need a little more practice and my contacts in to be able to see what I am doing..

And I have no room to talk -- I got a double chin in a pic on this topic:
Topic: bored girls post pictures.   
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,22010.0.html

Daisy

i was just kidding

i did my eyes? its just a little liner and mascara, i dont like to go overboard, less is more, and i dont bother with foundation as my skin is awesum ^_^
R

Quote from: Rachael on November 15, 2007, 06:57:41 AM
Berliegh, you KNOW i dont lie, or beat around the bush, you look nothing but female from all of your pictures ive seen....

and your calling me fat! OMG:P
R

No, I'm not calling you fat but I am talking about fat re-distribution. Your fat re-distribution is amazing. You have female fat re - distribution instead of male fat distribution, it's nothing to do with actually being fat.

Quote from: Berliegh on November 09, 2007, 05:17:54 AM


I got my head kicked in most days at my london secondary school when I was 13 to 16. I came home with a split lip. facial cuts and covered in blood sometimes. Eight pairs of doctor martin boots kicking me in the head because they didn't like a feminine looking boy who looked like a girl. I was constantly challanged because of the way I looked and called 'girl'. It wasn't a pleasant experience. I also got bullied when I first started work at the age of 17...

I am still traumatised by my early years and it would have been much better for me to have transitioned in that period of my life. I could have moved schools and I could have had a better life. Insted I left school with no qualifications and a total agoraphobic..

I think things are easier these days and someone who is different is excepted far more easily that they would have been in the late 1970's.....

I too had a terrible time at school, not that I realised why I was being picked on as I was just acting as myself, not conciously trying to be feminine. OK from an early age I used to copy girls' behaviour, girls were my role models - I couldn't help it, that was how I was. Boys wanted to beat me up and the girls despised me - or just ignored me. So when I left school at 17 I made a concious effort to put it all behind me by acting macho - overcompensating if you like, and hey, I found that people like me as a guy and I was accepted, which made me feel good in that respect. But my wish to be a girl resurfaced time and time again through my life and I felt ashamed of being how I am.  Only in recent times have I been able to face up to the fact that I'm trans and it's OK and am belately trying to somehow put matters right.
Kimberleigh is right, although it's never going to be easy for anyone to transition, there is slightly more acceptance now insofar as transsexuality is recognised as a medical condition which is treatable, whereas in the 1950s/60s it was a taboo subject and lumped together with homosexuality (which was itself a criminal offence in Great Britain at that time).
L.

Quote from: louise000 on November 16, 2007, 05:59:09 AM

Quote from: Berliegh on November 09, 2007, 05:17:54 AM


I got my head kicked in most days at my london secondary school when I was 13 to 16. I came home with a split lip. facial cuts and covered in blood sometimes. Eight pairs of doctor martin boots kicking me in the head because they didn't like a feminine looking boy who looked like a girl. I was constantly challanged because of the way I looked and called 'girl'. It wasn't a pleasant experience. I also got bullied when I first started work at the age of 17...

I am still traumatised by my early years and it would have been much better for me to have transitioned in that period of my life. I could have moved schools and I could have had a better life. Insted I left school with no qualifications and a total agoraphobic..

I think things are easier these days and someone who is different is excepted far more easily that they would have been in the late 1970's.....

I too had a terrible time at school, not that I realised why I was being picked on as I was just acting as myself, not conciously trying to be feminine. OK from an early age I used to copy girls' behaviour, girls were my role models - I couldn't help it, that was how I was. Boys wanted to beat me up and the girls despised me - or just ignored me. So when I left school at 17 I made a concious effort to put it all behind me by acting macho - overcompensating if you like, and hey, I found that people like me as a guy and I was accepted, which made me feel good in that respect. But my wish to be a girl resurfaced time and time again through my life and I felt ashamed of being how I am.  Only in recent times have I been able to face up to the fact that I'm trans and it's OK and am belately trying to somehow put matters right.
Kimberleigh is right, although it's never going to be easy for anyone to transition, there is slightly more acceptance now insofar as transsexuality is recognised as a medical condition which is treatable, whereas in the 1950s/60s it was a taboo subject and lumped together with homosexuality (which was itself a criminal offence in Great Britain at that time).
L.

Hang on a minute, I didn't go to school in the 1950's or 1960's........I was talking about the mid to late 1970's and 80's.....

I don't know what it would have been like in the 1960's but it was probably more liberated with the long haired hippie generation than it was for me in the 1980's where if you had long hair you were really going against the grain..