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Transsexual WITH A Decent Job?

Started by Leki, July 25, 2015, 08:52:43 AM

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JLT1

Quote from: ainsley on July 29, 2015, 10:15:06 AM
Good point! 

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Yea,  that happens.  I'm 50ish and finally finished paying off my student loans last April.

Hugs,

Jen
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Sigyn

Quote from: JLT1 on July 29, 2015, 07:35:18 PM
Yea,  that happens.  I'm 50ish and finally finished paying off my student loans last April.

Hugs,

Jen

I will be 73 when my student loans get paid off. I'm under $100k now though!
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ainsley

Yes, I can relate on the loans.  However, my truck cost more than my student loans currently are (hey, we all have our priorities. :D ).  I got my undergrad 100% reimbursed from my previous employer, and went to grad school for much of it @ 75% off because I was also an employee.  Since I left I had to start paying full price to finish. :(
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iKate

I got a full merit based scholarship. No loans is the best thing ever. Don't hate me. :)
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FTMax

Quote from: iKate on July 30, 2015, 09:30:25 AM
I got a full merit based scholarship. No loans is the best thing ever. Don't hate me. :)

Ugh, hate you  :D

Happy to be under $100k though! Working hard to get under $50k before the year is done.
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IceCreamCake

I'm a professional engineer. But I haven't come out yet. We'll see...
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Cindy

So, do buy a cup of coffee each day for $5? Do you need this site?

How about sending the price of one cup of coffee a month to keep this place going?
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Sharon Anne McC

Quote from: AnonyMs on July 27, 2015, 05:52:35 PM
It's really interesting reading all this, there's a lot of seriously qualified people here and it looks like everyone's got a job.

Is there anyone qualified for a decent job who doesn't have one?

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I kept a low profile and maintained transsexual status private; my employers violated my privacy.

(a)  I had a promising personnel management career with a federal agency until my supervisor, the personnel manager, exposed my privacy to the entire office, led a force of ridicule against me, and initiated action to fire me because I am transsexual (1983).  She did not comprehend which way so she accused me of being a female working as a male; I was in my transition to female and was presenting as male at that employment.  The agency sought to demote me as retribution during my administrative process, but I quit after two years of ever-increasing harassment.  I filed and won my Un-employment Insurance claim on the basis of a 'hostile work environment'.  Not much consolation going from a good career to un-employment to mostly minimum wage and temp hire jobs for five subsequent years.  What was curious was that another agency employee at a different geographical location began her transition late during my separation process and faced no agency opposition.  Subsequent temp company employers were reluctant to hire me except for clerical pool.  I found ways to prove myself, achieve advancement, and then my past somehow stuck its head under the tent and I got fired again.  That was my experience from 1978 through 1990.

(b)  I moved to another state and attained employment at state government as a public assistance case manager - helping people apply for Food Stamps, AFDC, MedicAid, and other welfare programs.  Peace was short-lived.  Within 18 months, my supervisor came to me at the water fountain one day and told me, 'I'm gonna get you.'  I was not sure what she meant, but I feared it was again about my sex change that leaked from somewhere.  From that point on she targeted me with heavy cases and caseloads, she nit-picked my work as no other, and she openly berated me at meetings.  My co-workers in my immediate work unit and at other units expressed sympathies in private but told me that they feared speaking on my behalf and incurring the wrath of agency management who fully-supported this supervisor.  I quit.  A few years later, by a chance meeting, the woman who was the director of our office approached me and apologised that she lacked the integrity to take a stand against that out-of-control supervisor's misbehaviour against me; this former director admitted she accepted that supervisor's lies besmirching my work.  This transpired from 1990 through 1993.

(c)  I re-employed with the state government later during 1993 and eventually promoted twice while appointed to a position at a third state agency.  I became a top employee:  I had been achieving superior performance, was awarded maximum bonus pay for my superior work each quarter, and was once chosen 'Employee of the Quarter' while employed from 1999 through the time of my untimely separation in 2008.  One day about 2006, an agency manager summoned me to her office and questioned me because my name appeared on that infamous SSA discrepancy list; SSA flipt me without explanation from Sharon and female to my male predecessor.  My employment security became erratic until my state agency fired me as a transsexual (2008) at the same time as that agency recognised my superior achievement in an agency-wide performance award.  I again fought this employer action through the government employee process - and won when my director admitted under oath at least three times during my questioning that he conspired to commit federal felonies in order to fire me.  With supposed victory at hand, my state agency instead refused to restore me to my position against the orders of the state directive.  I applied for Un-employment Insurance on the basis of their hostile work environment and again I won; the state agency admitted to UI to the same violations as in my appeal case.  More insidious was a blatant vow by my now-former employer who openly declared that I would never work again.  He kept his threat, I have not been able to secure employment since 2008.  I was about to go destitute so I filed for premature Social Security otherwise I would be homeless.  I still file job applications to test the waters and I still face denials/  Meanwhile my accusers remain on their jobs.

Last year was a disaster.  I was in deep depression through much of 2014.  While I was gone from home a short duration, burglars ransacked and stole personal belongings - including irreplaceable photography, my tapes and DVDs from my two TV shows, mementos, my years of medical records, and other items of value or of intimate regard.  My sister wrote to me in September 2014 that she wanted nothing more to do with me.  Lastly, I saw the demise of the community TV station where I worked a side career crewing studio TV programs and producing two of my own; this had been one primary source of my social life since 1986.

Rather than falling deeper, I began realising what I still had while taking stock of my life on a lonely Thanksgiving Day 2014 sharing dinner by tossing a cranberry to a squirrel at my backyard.  I was about as deep as I could be and the only thing left was myself climbing from my hole and doing something.

By this past Winter / Spring 2015 I accepted my fate and decided I would come out.  Guarding my privacy is no longer an issue as a barrier to employment since I am no longer part of that world of work that dinged me three crucial times for my mere presence as transsexual.

While I do not come out as a public exhibition forced to wear some kind of emblem on my lapel, I decided to make a web-site to chronicle my obstacles and my achievements; I decided to no longer take fear and deny my personal life.

I resumed drawing my political caricatures that I suspended last year; they are worth doing even if for only my own simple pleasure and amusement.  I restored a cartoon character that I created during 2nd Grade; I have an eye on developing it as a marketing concept; we'll see.

I ventured from home only four times all last year.  I now get out and about as much as four days or more each week during this year.  The Public Library sponsors professional training programs with free classes designed for people to develop their ideas into viable non-profit companies.  My goal is to try to establish my own non-profit company based upon one of more than a handfull of ideas suitable for such a venture.

I am trying to re-socialise beginning with other events at my local public library as a start.  I also joined a local transsexual group for support - a change from what I call my Rip van Winkle slumber when I lived my anonymity the past 35 years; or maybe I was being oblivious to the reality of the world around me.

It is curious that I completed many college psychology courses and held career jobs involving counselling, yet I did not live by comforting words of my own advice.

No, my current life is not perfect.  But nowadays I am finally enjoying it as never before because I shed my burden rather than allow it to suppress me.

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1956:  Birth (AMAB)
1974-1985:  Transition (core transition:  1977-1985)
1977:  Enrolled in Stanford University Medical Center's 'Gender Dysphoria Program'
1978:  First transition medical appointment
1978:  Corresponded with Janus Information Facility (Galveston)
1978:  Changed my SSA file to Sharon / female
1979:  First psychological evaluation - passed
1979:  Began ERT (Norinyl, DES, Premarin, estradiol, progesterone)
1980:  Arizona affirmed me legally as Sharon / female
1980:  MVD changed my licence to Sharon / female
1980:  First bank account as Sharon / female
1982:  Inter-sex exploratory:  diagnosed Inter-sex (genetically female)
1983:  Inter-sex corrective surgery
1984:  Full-blown 'male fail' phase
1985:  Transition complete to female full-time forever
2015:  Awakening from self-imposed deep stealth and isolation
2015 - 2016:  Chettawut Clinic - patient companion and revision
Today:  Happy!
Future:  I wanna return to Bangkok with other Thai experience friends

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Qrachel

Short answer:  Yes.

I own a consulting practice and it requires me to be very public and speak to large groups of executives, boards, politicians, etc.  The business does well and I am comfortable by my standards.

This all occurred after I came out at age 58.  Had a huge public administrative job leading an 8,000 emp. org. and was dismissed within 6 weeks after I announced my transition.  I immediately began to put the pieces back together and that was 2002. 

If you want to be successful professionally, it's very doable depending upon all the usual factors but not very much about being trans.  Becoming a woman may create some some barriers, but I refused to recognize most of them and pressed on because I knew I was someone who was successful. In fact, I have leveraged my status as trans to open a lot of doors and start thousands of wonderful conversions.

Why you  seem to meet so many people who aren't successful may have a lot to do with self-selection (and I don't mean you aren't or can't be successful).  Within 3 months of coming out I had several new T-friends who were making well over $100k/yr.  (I selected them as they did me.)  I also met lots of gals who were and had been struggling for months and years, sadly some still are - we have a very diverse community.

Looking back, I did what I always had done before (be positive, believe in people and say yes often).  Consequently, I was quickly successful again.

Take good care and be positive about yourself and the future (for many of us it's what you make of it),

R

Rachel

"Courage doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is the little voice at the end of the day that says I'll try again tomorrow."
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CMD042414

Resounding yes. I am a tenured college counselor. I did not transition until year 4 of 5 in my current job. Working in education is different because it tends to be a more liberal environment anyway. I also had the added benefit of working with counselors. Most of whom are allies to the LGBTQ community. Without the support of colleagues and my students I wouldn't be the man I now am.
Started T: April 2014
Top Surgery: June 2014
Hysterectomy: August 2015
Phalloplasty: Stage 1-August 2018
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Wynternight

I'm a nurse. My earning potential just goes up so yes, it is possible to have a decent job.
Stooping down, dipping my wings, I came into the darkly-splendid abodes. There, in that formless abyss was I made a partaker of the Mysteries Averse. LIBER CORDIS CINCTI SERPENTE-11;4

HRT- 31 August, 2014
FT - 7 Sep, 2016
VFS- 19 October, 2016
FFS/BA - 28 Feb, 2018
SRS - 31 Oct 2018
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Swayallday

No, not well-paid at all.
Lowest of the low.
What would people say  ::)
Still pursueing happiness :).
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CMD042414

Quote from: Swayallday on September 02, 2015, 02:42:31 PM
No, not well-paid at all.
Lowest of the low.
What would people say  ::)
Still pursueing happiness :).

What is your educational background?
Started T: April 2014
Top Surgery: June 2014
Hysterectomy: August 2015
Phalloplasty: Stage 1-August 2018
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Swayallday

None. Quit school at 17 and started working.

Commerce
Economics-Languages
Graphical arts & Printing press
Chemistry - Organic
Chemistry - Process-operator

Tried again at 20 with chemistry.
Finished nothing, chemistry is moreso a hobby anyhow.  :-*
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cindianna_jones

I'm too am an engineer. I had a successful career and usually commanded the highest pay wherever I worked. I am an overachiever, a workaholic, and a perfectionist. My stuff works and is always fully documented. There aren't enough hours in the work week. I'd love to stretch the hours from 24 to 42 in a day.

Although, with that said. Early on, I had a lot of problems in my professional arena. Even though I moved from Utah to California, I still met with some brutal discrimination once an employer found out from the previous employer that I was trans. I finally lost the history in my fourth job.

I retired at a young age and I do other stuff. I have hobbies, I do charitable work, I play in a community symphony orchestra, as well as write science fiction.

I think our society is much more open now than when I transitioned.

Cindi
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CMD042414

Quote from: Cindi Jones on September 02, 2015, 04:26:56 PM
I'm too am an engineer. I had a successful career and usually commanded the highest pay wherever I worked. I am an overachiever, a workaholic, and a perfectionist. My stuff works and is always fully documented. There aren't enough hours in the work week. I'd love to stretch the hours from 24 to 42 in a day.

Although, with that said. Early on, I had a lot of problems in my professional arena. Even though I moved from Utah to California, I still met with some brutal discrimination once an employer found out from the previous employer that I was trans. I finally lost the history in my fourth job.

I retired at a young age and I do other stuff. I have hobbies, I do charitable work, I play in a community symphony orchestra, as well as write science fiction.

I think our society is much more open now than when I transitioned.

Cindi

Wow I love the way you are spending your retired days. That's what I want for myself. I'm only 33 though lol.
Started T: April 2014
Top Surgery: June 2014
Hysterectomy: August 2015
Phalloplasty: Stage 1-August 2018
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CMD042414

Quote from: Swayallday on September 02, 2015, 04:03:56 PM
None. Quit school at 17 and started working.

Commerce
Economics-Languages
Graphical arts & Printing press
Chemistry - Organic
Chemistry - Process-operator

Tried again at 20 with chemistry.
Finished nothing, chemistry is moreso a hobby anyhow.  :-*

Have you considered a degree or certificate from your local community college? There are great paying jobs you can get especially in the computer arena. Security and technology are huge right now. This is a stretch but if you like organic chemistry you may want to look into pharmacy. You can start as a pharmacy technician. Most drugstores do their own training or again a community college. I am a counselor at a CC so I'm a big advocate.
Started T: April 2014
Top Surgery: June 2014
Hysterectomy: August 2015
Phalloplasty: Stage 1-August 2018
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AnonyMs

Quote from: Sharon Anne McC on September 01, 2015, 06:43:36 AM
No, my current life is not perfect.  But nowadays I am finally enjoying it as never before because I shed my burden rather than allow it to suppress me.
Thank you for sharing that. You've had a very difficult life and as I read it I feel it speak to my fears. I'm trying to avoid these sorts of problems by presenting male even though I've been on HRT for years, and I'm beginning to feeling pressure building up from all this hiding. That burden you speak of, I'm beginning to get sick of it.
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judithlynn

Hi Sharon;
What a very sad story and time you have had. It reminds why I found it so hard as well back when I transitioned in the mid 80's.

Basically I had a senior Sales & Marketing role with an International IT Company and travelled the world doing Business Development and then during that last period with them of the two years between 1983-85 had broken up with my wife and separated over coming out as Transgender. I was very depressed and my work suffered and of course because of the HRT was putting on both weight and developing female curves such that Management were pointing out that I had to seriously lose weight (as my breasts were becoming quite obvious in the office asback then my HRT regime was much more aggressive than now). Eventually I lost my high paying job, although they feigned a downsizing but I knew the real reason.. With the support of some girlfriends  they persuaded me to transition to full time and I managed to pick up some small consulting jobs, but kept on getting rejected from any sort of career as a woman back in my profession. Then in the UK it was very hard being Transgender with just about anyone selling stories outing people to the News of the World. After a few months eking into my savings and with a mortgage to pay, a girlfriend suggested going back to college(and at the same time, my psych was pressuring me to go into some sort of "female type job" rather than a male oriented work) so I went to college and did a Secretarial & Shorthand course for 4 months full time.  I then started at a Temp Agency in Milton Keynes doing a wide range of Clerical and Secretarial jobs - No the money wasn't that great, funds were very tight, but I was full time and with the support of girlfriends - surviving and I at least had my house and small car. After about a year I landed a full time job as Secretary/Receptionist (but that meant being immaculately dressed each day as I was the first person that greeted people at the front door - so it was a smart skirt, blouse jacket, well manicured nails, perfect make-up high heels etc every day. At first it was hard work, but I loved every minute of it.  Eventually I got a promotion as a Departmental Manager's secretary and then got a job as Legal Secretary for a woman in a UK Bank.  By then I was still earning much less than I had in IT Sales. Then catastrophe struck. I got outed at work and lost my job. Luckily a couple that I had been having a Poly relationship took pity on me and I moved in with them  as otherwise I would have lost my house and probably ended up on the streets. Through their love and generosity  I survived until eventually out of the blue my "male self" was headhunted to a high flying (literally) well paid job back in my former career in Australia. It was a way out of the depression and a way forward. I thus pushed my female self back into my self until the major dysphoria broke out again in vengeance on the death of my mother 26 years later and through another major crisis. So yes it can be very tough, but there is no doubt that in many countries especially in the UK, society is much kinder now. In the UK, I know of a number of incredibly successful Transgender women (two who have had full SRS ands fully transitioned) that have very high paying jobs or very satisfying jobs and a number that have successfully transitioned on the job, unlike my attempts back in the UK 30 years ago!
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natashaX

I believe the ones you speak of being unemployed i can shed some light on

I was considered an early identifier back in 1990 at 16
I started dating and dressing and boom evicted from home
No shelter would take me social services told me to go sleep
Anywhere and they werent taking as they said
" we dont take people like you "
I only have bio 10
And i was in edmonton with a very very harsh winter arriving
Quicly
Winters easy hit -40 centigrade

No shelters no meal programs mo famiy no freinds
You wind up prey to sex predators for clean clothes
Bed food and than you find out that your worrh major money
And i got out to the coast by januaey to vancouver
Same story no agency or gov program touched me
Legal age is 19 and that means im atuck in that life for at
Least three years
Even though i had lots of cash i cant rent anywhere
When 19 came by i was so damaged that when i finally
Walked into a school to restart life i felt like i coulsnt relate
Kids smiled laughed had dreams fell in love
I was raped assaulted seen things no kid should
I ran back to where my skill qere relevant
I was hardened and cold ice cold and calculating
There i stayed until i was kisnappwd by my mother at 30 years of age
And brought 2400 km north to her new house in atlin lake
F:(-&;& did the town get a load of me
But than for the next three years i stared out a
Window at nothing probably in shock and trauma

Than i was moved farrjer but detransitioned by
Force
Started menail jobs in whitehorse for insulting pay
But than boom got hires in the minimg industry
And made 195 tax free a day for 5 years
And got offered to work sites with the boys
At 385 a day tax free and i jumped
Drove a skytrak forklifts rocktruxk skidsteer
And than dysphoria came back with a vengeance
And i let it ride
They put me back in camp kitxhens and fired me in
Four months
I had 7500 in bank drafts and was close to ffs in argentina
But my mom kicked me oht again in decembeer
Ans shelters refused me and my ffs fund evaporated
Had to flee to vancouver wirh skills that are useles
But i know one thing
Amd i am pretty and was blessed from
Firat transition so i got hips and look 20 years
Younger some days
And i job hunt hunt hunt hunt and get nothing
But life as a girl aint xheap so i do what i know
Best and make the best of it
Was not easy at all
But i worked throufh the year on the girl track
I always wear high end makeup electro near
Finished
And i promised myself tops year and a half
And its been that long
I retire out of sex work a few days ago
And getting srs by brassard in three weeks
Have a amazing loving caring empatjetic man
Who is very gentle
He lets me freak out and cry all nigjt or yell at him
And get anger out qnd he holds me while i am nightmaring
And when i recover from srs i am atill getting welfare
And get grants bursaries etc to go baxk to high school
Amd my bf will give me 200 a month for atayinf in school
Tjat means by the time dor college i have FFS!!!!
i want to become a nurse

This is one narrartice why some girls may not get a job
They can be to damaged from rejection and disnt have
What i did a man who told me daily i am beautifull
I matter i am of value and he wont gice up

In all of this i have suffered 28 broken or cracked bones
And i also have surciced pickton
He killed over 50 of us working girls
He had me and i should have been mailed
Home as a dna strand with most of my gf i
Worked with
Today i can still smile amd some days not
And when i walk everyone jumps out of my
Way when they see me " oh sh!/ its natasha!!! "

But it doesnt define me at all
It was something that i has to do

I get paid sometimes to tell my life
And i call it 25 for life
25 years of hell to have a life

So yes i am the transsexual with no job
But it means nothing because i aint effin
Scared of no man and they can taunt me in
School but when they get a load of me rheu to
Will jump out of my way when i come walking by

Now i define myself
And if i ever hear any of you putting down sex
Workers remember one day
Natasha will be your nurse!!!!
Hahahan
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