Quote from: Rebis on December 23, 2007, 11:35:22 AM
Hi Ell,

   I like to think that my church is not as cold as you paint them all as being.  Kristi is correct.  There are many many congregations that really do stand up for us.  You don't hear about them because it's not 'news' to the media machine.

  I'm not lecturing you, but I think maybe, if you can find an accepting church in your area, you should check it out.  Not to join, but to witness first hand that there really are some caring people who practice organized religion.

Rebis

sorry if i offended you, too, my dear.

but i'm not the one who said that Mary made it with a deity.

i'm not the one who said there is some human-formed deity, looking down on us to make sure that we don't think a horny idea, judging our every move and thought, and if we don't believe in "him," then we will burn forever in a bad place. forever.

i didn't say without a doubt that there is a life after death, where you're gonna meet angels -- or, in the case of most people -- not.

i didn't say that gay people were wrong in the eyes of the deity.

i didn't say "thou shalt not kill", except if you do it in the name of the deity; then it would seem, it's ok.

i didn't say that people must act in the way "their father in heaven" would act, or how "he" would want them to act. if "he's" a pretend deity, how would anybody know what "he" wants? As Cindi Jones asked, "do they have his phone number?"

how dare they look me in the eye and give me such load of crap?

what? what'd i say? am i the only one here with her BS radar turned on?

-ell

yes, i'm going back to my little corner now

Hi Tekla,

   I understand what you are saying.  However, on the subject of churches, not all congregations are of the religious-right.

   We don't deserve to get painted by that brush.  Most of us don't even vote republican.


Just saying


Rebis

ell: your radar is set so damn high your picking up mixed signals ...
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Quote from: Rachael on December 23, 2007, 12:21:30 PM
ell: your radar is set so damn high your picking up mixed signals ...
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"You can't tell people anything, I've learned that."
                                             --Andy Warhol

Transsexuals want to keep *that thing* and *enlarge it*.  Sorry but that is just BS.

tink

ROFL, where the HELL did you hear that one?
*sigh* morons ><
also
'when they get the surgery, transexuals take thier dick and balls home in a jar'
R

Quote from: Rachael on December 23, 2007, 01:11:39 PM
ROFL, where the HELL did you hear that one?
*sigh* morons ><
also
'when they get the surgery, transexuals take thier dick and balls home in a jar'
R

You would be surprised where, hon! 

tink

go on then
dont keep me in suspenders!
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Quote from: Rachael on December 23, 2007, 01:47:12 PM
go on then
dont keep me in suspenders!
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Come on!  you are a smart girl! You don't want me to tell you "things" 
I can't! 

tink

Re; conservative and liberal, everything has been compacted into 10 second soundbites which are purposely designed to create division between people. There are no 100% "red" and "blue" states, many states were a 51 to 49 split, thus all states are really "purple".

Some people criticize liberals for spending more taxes on social issues, meanwhile so called fiscal conservatives who don't want "big government" are spending obscene amounts of money on a war that many people don't want.

People of all religions are starting to speak out against the ultra right wing fundamentalist factions, and that's a good thing. There of plenty of people out there whose religious beliefs don't denigrate anyone, and who take actions based on their belief system. I'm not a Christian, but my perception of Jesus is that he was a radical Jew with socialist leanings, I have no problem with followers of that Jesus

y2g

Quote from: y2gender on December 23, 2007, 02:01:48 PM
I have no problem with followers of that Jesus

y2g

well, I do! I hate it when they follow Jesus so closely that when he stops walking, they bump into him.  I don't know why he doesn't have them walk further back a little.

Jesus... is not the problem... IIRC, he did not write the bible...
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That we have a transgender agenda. (like we could even agree on such a thing if we had one  )

That we are actively recruiting kids to become trans!

y2g

Posted on: December 23, 2007, 04:10:58 PM

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Quote from: Rachael on December 23, 2007, 03:56:58 PM
Jesus... is not the problem... IIRC, he did not write the bible...
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Not only did Jesus not write the bible, but none of the books in the New Testament were written by any of his actual disciples either. I think the first book was written approx 70 years later.

BTW R, I love the current quote under your pic "Hunting Santaclaus with a rocketlauncher"! LOL

y2g

did Santa Claus write the Bible?   

Quote from: y2gender on December 23, 2007, 02:01:48 PM
Re; conservative and liberal, everything has been compacted into 10 second soundbites which are purposely designed to create division between people. There are no 100% "red" and "blue" states, many states were a 51 to 49 split, thus all states are really "purple".

Some people criticize liberals for spending more taxes on social issues, meanwhile so called fiscal conservatives who don't want "big government" are spending obscene amounts of money on a war that many people don't want.

People of all religions are starting to speak out against the ultra right wing fundamentalist factions, and that's a good thing. There of plenty of people out there whose religious beliefs don't denigrate anyone, and who take actions based on their belief system. I'm not a Christian, but my perception of Jesus is that he was a radical Jew with socialist leanings, I have no problem with followers of that Jesus
y2g

Finally, an intelligent quote.  That's precisely who Jesus was.  Thanks so much!

No you can't offend me and my personal beliefs.  I am way too secure in them for that.  You certainly have a right to yours as well, and I defend that right.  However, what is truly lamentable is the amount of stuff mentioned in these recent posts that seem to stereotype churches and Christians into something I have NEVER experienced in the church, and I've been a part of it more years than some of these people have been alive.  My only request is not to take your ignorance and parade it as knowledge.  Misrepresenting Christian beliefs and theology, and the agenda of the church is never helpful to the debate.  You do yourself a great disservice here.

I only repeat again, if you want to engage in stereotypes, then don't gripe when others stereotype you.  For myself I reject all of it.  Now I am out of here.

Peace!
Kristi

there are stereotypes and generalizations for everything.  As difficult as it is (and I know I have a hard time with it) we should all try to remember to avoid generalizations and stereotypes.  I think their use tends to flow from writing a post too quickly or when a statement calls up a negative emotion.

What was the topic of this thread again?

Quote from: Rebis on December 23, 2007, 10:20:42 PM
What was the topic of this thread again?

Wasn't it something to do with Jesus' followers bumping into him when they walked too close? 

y2g

Oh yeah.  I forgot.   

Quote from: Kristi on December 23, 2007, 10:01:31 PM
Misrepresenting Christian beliefs and theology, and the agenda of the church is never helpful to the debate.

sorry, Kristi, but the topic was about myths. are you saying Christianity is not a myth? well, the dictionary says that it is. here is a typical definition of a myth:

"In the academic fields of mythology, mythography, or folkloristics, a myth (mythos) is a sacred story concerning the origins of the world or how the world and the creatures in it came to be in their present form. The active beings in myths are generally gods and heroes. Myths often are said to take place before recorded history begins. In saying that a myth is a sacred narrative, what is meant is that a myth is believed to be true by people who attach religious or spiritual significance to it. Use of the term by scholars does not imply that the narrative is either true or false. See also legend and tale." -- Wikipedia

and jfyi, i did not say all conservatives were Christians. please read the post before you attack. i said our conservatives were Christians, for the most part. therefore i did not say they all were.

-ell

i am in my little corner now, don't bother me.

i think religion qualifies as slightly more than a myth lets not get all arsy! its Christmas!
Ashley Michelle: lol weak.


lets keep the myths coming....

'People change sex, men become women'
'people CHOOSE to transition, its a consious decisision, like what colour to paint the kitchen, or what car to get.'
'non ops arnt TS because they arnt hugely afraid of penis'
'Post ops are better than preops, and thier word is law on any topic, because they have a vagina like...'

'the ->-bleeped-<- hierarchy: CD-non op, pre op, post op. (people poop down)'
'Rachael smiles'
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