Quote from: yokosoko on May 18, 2016, 10:20:21 PM
The good news is, I don't currently have access to hormones (I live in Indonesia where this is a no go). I need to get my medical care in Singapore, and have yet to setup the appropriate infrastructure. But now at least I can keep your advice in mind as I work towards that, and adjust accordingly.

From what I've heard, I'd be working on emigrating to another country. Australia's very nice if you can manage it.

Quote from: warlockmaker on May 19, 2016, 04:15:16 AM
I was a very gregarious Alpha male and was on full regimen HRT for three years. No one suspected, I did have comments on my youthful appearance and nice facial skin.  I also was doing electrolysis.

My mind kinda wanted to change so I  wore more androgenous clothing, let my hair grow. I was a speaker at financial conference and had a pony tail .. quite amusing..but no one even noticeced ..thought I was eccentric .  Sport was ok.. I wore a double lycra top which squashed my boobs. But swimming in my clubs pool was out of the question . Like Anony says it's quite easy to pass as a male  but our minds tend to make us dress and behave more feminine

You've pretty much describes my goals! :d

Quote from: AnonyMs on May 19, 2016, 05:17:14 AM
From what I've heard, I'd be working on emigrating to another country. Australia's very nice if you can manage it.

As I said, due to family reasons it's not possible. The only option I have of emigrating is to get this company up and running ASAP (my role in the family business is to expand to Indonesia. This company will be my primary source of income once its operational and generating funds), and able to function independently. Then my plan is to move to Japan and run it from there :d. Although that will take at least 3-5 years

So far I have been hiding in plain sight for nearly 3 years on low dose E as still terrified.
While not hard to hide the changes it is getting harder and harder wanting to hide.
Getting rid of the hares slowly as it takes time.
Girls are very prominent and fill a c cup and I do love it.
I do feel much happier in myself.

I miss being able to swim for the time until its all done.

I do like the changes personally and Cindy has threatened to come around and sort me out...
Should I be scared?

That sounds like a good plan.

I've been very focussed on money since starting this journey. I never much cared about it before.

At this point I have a long list of countries I'll never visit, not even to transit the airport. If I opened a company in another country I'd want to make sure I could never get dragged back there for legal reasons related to that company - ie to represent the company In court or to sign documents.

Quote from: AnonyMs on May 19, 2016, 05:30:53 AM
That sounds like a good plan.

I've been very focussed on money since starting this journey. I never much cared about it before.

At this point I have a long list of countries I'll never visit, not even to transit the airport. If I opened a company in another country I'd want to make sure I could never get dragged back there for legal reasons related to that company - ie to represent the company In court or to sign documents.

What do you mean? Could you elaborate?!l especially regarding the countries youd never visit

Places that are dangerous to be trans. Middle East, Russia, Indonesia, etc. Japan is safe.

Quote from: AnonyMs on May 19, 2016, 06:11:42 AM
Places that are dangerous to be trans. Middle East, Russia, Indonesia, etc. Japan is safe.

Actually, surprisingly Russia is not that unsafe. At least ST Petersburg. There's even a well known m2f studio there that does nights around town and whatnot.

With regards to the Middle East I get it, but around Asia, even Indonesia, as long as you're as stealth as possible at immigration, and you match your passport pic, you should be fine. You are literally just coming off as a feminine or Andro looking person, not all that abnormal.

Further more once you're in and when moving around, if you pass, then it's easy, if you're not comfortable with your passing, sticking to major cities and well known areas (especially the mod- higher end places and you should be fine). The safety issue comes (and I hate sounding classist Bc I'm not, I just speak from experience, but you will find exceptions to this ) comes from the working class sub $800-1000/month crowd as they're often less exposed to worldly views (I won't say uneducated as most have college degrees), which can lead to slightly more extreme reactions.

We probably have different ideas of what is safe.

Quote from: AnonyMs on May 19, 2016, 06:25:03 AM
We probably have different ideas of what is safe.

Trust me, let's just say I've been fortunate to be brought up in a privileged but very sheltered life. I get scared ->-bleeped-<-less when I go out that I'm going to have mobs follow me home, no thanks to the news. Usually it's no different than Europe, or other places in Asia. I'll just get an occasional weird look. But then again I stick to expat friendly, higher end malls, restaurants and venues.

In my experience if you have someone local who has similar standards or life background to you vouch for a place. (And you follow their tips), it's usually safe .

Quote from: Jenny07 on May 19, 2016, 05:27:21 AM
I do like the changes personally and Cindy has threatened to come around and sort me out...
Should I be scared?

You're not the only one she's threatened!   

Quote from: yokosoko on May 19, 2016, 06:30:01 AM
Trust me, let's just say I've been fortunate to be brought up in a privileged but very sheltered life. I get scared ->-bleeped-<-less when I go out that I'm going to have mobs follow me home, no thanks to the news. Usually it's no different than Europe, or other places in Asia. I'll just get an occasional weird look. But then again I stick to expat friendly, higher end malls, restaurants and venues.

In my experience if you have someone local who has similar standards or life background to you vouch for a place. (And you follow their tips), it's usually safe .

I'm also concerned about what would happen if you had any legal troubles. The law in many of those countries is not going to protect you.

I started with 6 months of low dose and have now had 12 months on full dose.

I'm not out at work yet, and I have to wear a sports bra to keep the girls packed down.  And I'm pretty sure I caught my boss staring at my chest yesterday.  LOL

For me, the laser did more for presentation than HRT has.  The hormone changes have been noticeable but subtle.  But really, having no facial hair seems to have had the biggest impact on my appearance.

And I have a few thoughts on keeping it together mentally while waiting for the right time.  I've had a few friends jump into full-time really quickly, and they all had similar problems.  Beard shadow tough to hide, non-passable voice, not enough clothes for a full-time wardrobe, still working through the teenage girl phase, etc, etc.  For these reasons, I'm glad I decided to take it slower.  I'll be coming out at work in about a month and I'll be full-time then, and I feel ready...confident, even.

One of the reasons I decided to take it slow was to get my head on straight and also give my wife time to adjust and get on board with the changes.  And as I've been able to cross off those fears and obstacles, it's gotten harder and harder with each one to stay on course and not just say "screw it!" and go full time.  My excuses are disappearing.

Quote from: Cindy on May 18, 2016, 04:42:21 AM
It always sounds a great idea!

One of the things about HRT is the response to them vary so much. OK I managed 3 months before there was no way. My brain and my emotions had adjusted. My skin was different, including laser. My boobs! OK they are small but no way did I want to hide them. See above for brain and emotion changes.

There are members who have successfully hidden their changes. But I have to admit the two who I know well have strong personalities and are in a position to control their lives.


In your situation, How about having a plan B and a plan C, easier to make them sooner than later.

THIS! I thought I would hide out while on HRT as well, but I am becoming so much more in love with myself that I can feel the walls crumbling and I have this desire to stop hiding.... I did not expect this going in, I figured I would be in control as long as I chose. I still have control, but I feel the desire to be myself growing. And I am responding very well to HRT

Thanks so much for this thread - the low dose/hide in plain sight path is one I think a lot about also...

Unless you flat out tell them you're transitioning, I doubt anybody will say anything. Asking someone if they're transitioning that isn't out yet is akin to asking a woman that's not pregnant when they're due. It's a bad idea and most people have the sense not to do it. They'll probably just think you're going through a phase. They may even attribute a small chest to man boobs to keep themselves safely in their pit of denial.

@emilee that's what I believe :d


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My guess is that you will never be happy without estrogen & removing the wrong stuff. Just get started & let things work out......They are not magic pills to make us a complete beautiful woman overnight, I sure wish they were!!! you will change & improve but it will be gradual.....

@francisann, it's not that, it's more about, knowing that you're finally on the path to correcting your body, and whatever the results may be, you know it's the natural result of having the right hormones, wether it's a lot, or little changes,


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What about some of the other physical changes that occur? Hips and butt, come to mind. What can one expect, and the timing of those changes?