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Femininity in males

Started by ghostbees, January 11, 2017, 02:46:46 PM

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ghostbees

It's kind of weird that despite being a trans man, I'm pretty feminine. I guess there isn't one way to be male but I feel it definitely turns a few heads.
Anyone else had this problem?[emoji21]
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Elis

Yeah; very fem; being masculine makes me sorta uncomfortable. I've gradually started accepting it; even gave one of the fitting room attendants an odd moment the other day as she saw I was going to try on 2 blouses and a pair of jeggings  :D. It's important to remember that what we consider fem for men is completely arbitrary. Men 300 years ago were allowed to wear tights and quite fem tops but then it became gradually unacceptable in the Victorian age. But gradually again it's reversing and it's now much more acceptable and less frowned upon for men to wear fem looking stuff. Even in the men's section of shops you see some fem clothes which you wouldn't have just a few years ago.

Cis men can be feminine and it shouldn't seem strange that some trans men don't want to be the all masculine type who weight lift and rid themselves of all things girly.
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ghostbees

Quote from: Elis on January 11, 2017, 02:58:24 PM
Yeah; very fem; being masculine makes me sorta uncomfortable. I've gradually started accepting it; even gave one of the fitting room attendants an odd moment the other day as she saw I was going to try on 2 blouses and a pair of jeggings  :D. It's important to remember that what we consider fem for men is completely arbitrary. Men 300 years ago were allowed to wear tights and quite fem tops but then it became gradually unacceptable in the Victorian age. But gradually again it's reversing and it's now much more acceptable and less frowned upon for men to wear fem looking stuff. Even in the men's section of shops you see some fem clothes which you wouldn't have just a few years ago.

Cis men can be feminine and it shouldn't seem strange that some trans men don't want to be the all masculine type who weight lift and rid themselves of all things girly.
Ok the blouse and jeggings combo sound amazing [emoji6] what did they look like?
I guess that's true and I think I'm some ways the ideal male image can be toxic especially to guys who fit outside that standard.

My only worry is that I will be heckled when I start going on t.


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Kylo

Quote from: ghostbees on January 11, 2017, 02:46:46 PM
It's kind of weird that despite being a trans man, I'm pretty feminine. I guess there isn't one way to be male but I feel it definitely turns a few heads.
Anyone else had this problem?


Do you mean in appearance or mannerisms?

In mannerisms and movements I'm not very feminine. I look people right in the eyes to the point it makes some people uncomfortable, as they've told me so, I'm generally assertive and I tend to walk, sit and do things exactly as my male friends do. The only thing that sets me apart from them is that I'm not at all clumsy. I dislike clumsiness in people and my movements tend to be precise and measured. I think a part of me from my past as a female was an appreciation for movement - for doing things in a certain way and liking it, especially doing things with precision. However, my ways are mainly male, I guess. They're self aware but they're not flamboyant or a display of anything.

In appearance however, well there's no getting away from my elfy little face. I've got these damnable long dark eyelashes as well that almost look like I did 'em up with mascara. That's going to be some sort of joke among male friends for sure. I don't care. I'd rather be a "prettyboy" than the Elephant Man, you know?

I'm not comfortable being considered feminine; I've done away with any sort of walk or movement that might suggest it hopefully. I'm not expecting to be considered hugely masculine, though. A big part of what people seem to perceive as fem or masc is things taken at face value - if you're a small and dainty male who doesn't do things feminine you might still be considered fem by some just because you don't look robust. I'm expecting that.
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lc100

My first post on here, so I might mess it up somehow. Heads up.

I like this topic. I'm pretty feminine, and expect myself to be even more openly so as my transition progresses. I'm currently as far back into the closet as Narnia, so I'm not comfortable expressing my femininity much. Ideally, I'd like to be a pretty boy rather than a huge, hairy macho beefcake. One day.

You shouldn't feel weird about it, though. We're all cute boys here. 8)


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SpeakYourMind

Quote from: ghostbees on January 11, 2017, 02:46:46 PM
It's kind of weird that despite being a trans man, I'm pretty feminine. I guess there isn't one way to be male but I feel it definitely turns a few heads.
Anyone else had this problem?[emoji21]
,
Loki


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Yep, iv'e certainly have had this problem i enjoy a lot of things that can be considered feminine
sometimes i find myself hiding it form others and sometimes i don't care to show it but i'm trying to get myself to realize it doesn't matter and i shouldn't play into stereotypes i just broke out of a box i refuse going into another one.


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bluepaint

I look at those on tv or film and in media in general and it seems to me that on one side we speak of diversity, that gender fluidity is accepted in both men and women, in the way we dress and express ourselves, looking beyond the physical to what makes one attractive inside but yet I see a very visually driven concern to looks a certain way that is extremely sexualized on top of it! A kind of land of the genetically perfect humans lol in both men and women!

We all are being looked at to fit in (imop) new very tight definitions (new "norms") of whats considered not only clearly masculine or feminine but being super attractive as well!



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ghostbees

Quote from: lc100 on January 11, 2017, 07:46:20 PM
My first post on here, so I might mess it up somehow. Heads up.

I like this topic. I'm pretty feminine, and expect myself to be even more openly so as my transition progresses. I'm currently as far back into the closet as Narnia, so I'm not comfortable expressing my femininity much. Ideally, I'd like to be a pretty boy rather than a huge, hairy macho beefcake. One day.

You shouldn't feel weird about it, though. We're all cute boys here. 8)
I hope you're able to find inner peace as it's incredibly hard starting out, just know that however you choose to present or identify its ok to take it slow!

I believe you can do it!
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Elis

Quote from: ghostbees on January 11, 2017, 04:03:50 PM
Ok the blouse and jeggings combo sound amazing [emoji6] what did they look like?
I guess that's true and I think I'm some ways the ideal male image can be toxic especially to guys who fit outside that standard.

My only worry is that I will be heckled when I start going on t.


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One was with a 'marble effect' design. White with irregular greyish lines splattered on it (could almost pass as a very fem men's shirt) and one was pink with some metal buttons dotted on it; both with midlength rolled up sleeves. The jeggings were dark/dusky pink. I also bought a pair of light blue faded skinny jeans (usually I wear straight legged jeans) and the other day I decided to wear them out with my women's grey jumper that has outlines of sparrows dotted on it and my men's jacket which has black sleeves and a blue embroided flower design on the front. This was the most fem I've looked while out (I was going to an LGBT group) and although I was a bit apprehensive due to worrying about being heckled; I had no issues and nobody gave me a second glance. Which probably shows how unusual it is for men to look fem nowadays. Now I just need another LGBT event to wear maybe one of the blouses with to gain some confidence; but I think it'll be a while until I have the confidence to not wear a jacket to hide what I'm wearing.

Sorry if this was a bit long. To sum up I'm so mentally exhausted from caring what other people think and fearing how they'll react to how I'm dressed; I simply don't care anymore. I also have my ear lobes pierced and a navel piercing bcos WTH not  ::)
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Kylo

Can't wait for the day people out there just learn that everyone not being cookie cutter is fine, and actually makes life less damn boring.
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MxEnby

I believe I'm too feminine to be considered a man as well as too masculine to be considered a woman. That's why I prefer to be referred to as "nonbinary" and "transmasculine" to "FTM", but have been wondering on and off for years whether I'm a full on FTM, albeit one who is feminine in a few respects. A lot of FTMs are super, super butch and it's almost impossible to find a partially femme FTM not only in the media, but in trans communities. I think that's a major reason I'm put off calling myself an FTM- I'm not 100% butch. I want the top surgery, I want meta, but I don't feel I could ever call myself a bloke.
Genderfluid :)
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ghostbees

Ok since bc of the subject I've decided to grace everyone w. a picture of me going full femme ::) (does this make me vain lol)
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ghostbees

Quote from: Kylo on January 12, 2017, 03:04:55 PM
Can't wait for the day people out there just learn that everyone not being cookie cutter is fine, and actually makes life less damn boring.
Thisssss ^
sometimes it's so boring to get weighted under people's rigid definitions of gender and 'how we should present'


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Elis

Quote from: ghostbees on January 13, 2017, 06:05:02 AM
Ok since bc of the subject I've decided to grace everyone w. a picture of me going full femme ::) (does this make me vain lol)


Nope you look gorgeous ;). I just spent 10 mins on my hair this morning so I think I got you beat for vanity :D
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ghostbees

Quote from: Elis on January 13, 2017, 07:15:34 AM
Nope you look gorgeous ;). I just spent 10 mins on my hair this morning so I think I got you beat for vanity :D

Oh gossh thank you!
What style were you going for? Mine is windswept &I just woke up lmao


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Elis

Quote from: ghostbees on January 13, 2017, 07:21:38 AM

Oh gossh thank you!
What style were you going for? Mine is windswept &I just woke up lmao


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An undercut with a short fringe; but still looks a bit of a mess and not in a good way  :P. Kinda overdue for a haircut and not sure whether to try a new hairstyle.
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ghostbees

Quote from: Elis on January 13, 2017, 08:15:43 AM
An undercut with a short fringe; but still looks a bit of a mess and not in a good way  :P. Kinda overdue for a haircut and not sure whether to try a new hairstyle.
I feel like sheldon cooper when I go for my haircut- It has to be the same guy and he better have my haircut records!!
Never had an undercut is it hard to grow out?


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Elis

Quote from: ghostbees on January 13, 2017, 08:19:43 AM
I feel like sheldon cooper when I go for my haircut- It has to be the same guy and he better have my haircut records!!
Never had an undercut is it hard to grow out?


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Yeah I'm the same :D. I'm lucky that I have an LGBT barbers in my city where I've been going to for the past 3 years and always have the same person cutting my hair.  If I were to get a new style I might just say to the barber I'm leaving it upto you; but there's always that worry of not liking what I'm used too.

And kinda. After just 3 weeks give or take it starts looking bad; although I usually leave my hair for almost 2 months before getting it cut again. I tried to grow my hair long for 4 months and it was definitely not a good look; although there are a few guys on youtube who managed to have more patience and success than I did.
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ghostbees

Quote from: Elis on January 13, 2017, 08:27:10 AM
Yeah I'm the same :D. I'm lucky that I have an LGBT barbers in my city where I've been going to for the past 3 years and always have the same person cutting my hair.  If I were to get a new style I might just say to the barber I'm leaving it upto you; but there's always that worry of not liking what I'm used too.

And kinda. After just 3 weeks give or take it starts looking bad; although I usually leave my hair for almost 2 months before getting it cut again. I tried to grow my hair long for 4 months and it was definitely not a good look; although there are a few guys on youtube who managed to have more patience and success than I did.
I usually get mine cut at a unisex one and they're usually on point still a bit pricey. Should I grow my hair out?? I dunno whether to leave it or get it cut MmM


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I have long hair, shoulder length, been having it even before I got on hrt, I said banzai, just do it, even though I look like a feminized native American guy, shrugs, eh.
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