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The Androgynee Enlightenment Process

Started by Nero, January 24, 2008, 05:18:05 PM

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Jaimey

Quote from: NickSister on February 10, 2008, 06:44:15 PM
but I was always confused about why people knew the rules and I didn't.

Exactly. 

You're right, sd!  It does feel right!  It's so much better now that I'm not alone anymore!
If curiosity really killed the cat, I'd already be dead. :laugh:

"How far you go in life depends on you being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and the strong. Because someday in life you will have been all of these." GWC
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Kir

Well... how did I realize. First, I figure I was just a feminine guy. At the point I realized I was a witch it threw me for a loop because usually females are witches, not males. I then started thinking back about my past, and realized that I pretty much always was a little fuzzy on the gender issue (like when I would help my sister with her makeup, paint my nails with my girlfriends, braid each other's hair).

At that time though I thought that gender and sexuality were linked. So I thought oh hey, maybe I'm gay. But no, that wasn't it, I liked girls. So then I realized that I'm bisexual, okay great, sure whatever. I always tossed around the word androgenous, but never actually THOUGHT about it. And then a week or so ago someone mentioned I should look into it and I realized "Oh hey, I'm androgenous." And then I started worrying that I wasn't bisexual (what an odd thing, most people worry that they are, not that they aren't). But then I realized that no, I am still bi.

I guess these things were never really big revelations to me. Here's my analogy... I drink a lot of Mountain Dew. A while back they came out with a new style for the design on the can. When I bought my first six pack of the new dew I said "Huh, new style. Cool." and drank it. Did it change what was inside the can? Nah. Heck, I think it even says on it "Same dew, new view" or something cheesy like that.
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Simone Louise

A funny thing happened when my sister and I compared notes as adults. I am the oldest of 4; she is the youngest, 11 years my junior, and the only girl. Every time my mother became pregnant (after me), the folks said they were trying for a girl. So I grew up thinking my folks preferred girls. My sister grew up thinking they preferred boys.

It's hard to write objectively about childhood, but I think that more than thinking I was a girl, I just ignored the differences, and treated gender as an accident of birth, like religion, ethnic heritage, hair color or skin color. I was equally happy playing dolls with a girl friend, football with a boy friend, or being alone with myself. I had cross dressing episodes, but mostly I had such a hard time living up to my reputation as a Brain and not a clue what to do about questions of gender. Things grew a little more complicated when the adults around me insisted I invite a girl to the senior prom.

They picked out the girl and we remained close for about a year until she gave me an ultimatum: if I continued to study engineering, she would sever the relationship (I continued and she severed). I remember often looking in the mirror worrying that others would see I really was a girl, not a boy. Sex had no place in my life until I was a fifth year senior in college; I discovered, not only was it enjoyable, but it was a ticket to a close friendship with a woman.

Each time my wife was pregnant, I worried the child would be a boyish boy who would find me out and despise me. I've had 3 girls and a boy. Yet, knowing each of my children has been so rewarding, I glad I took the chance. Each has been in counseling at some point, but each seems willing to put up with me.

Becoming aware of androgyny as option is quite recent, but as I read about it here, I discover I have had similar feelings and made similar decisions to others in this forum. But I've felt like an outsider so long, so unlike anyone else (what other male, for instance, would hide a lipstick in his jewelry box), that I don't feel enlightened yet. The newbie tag fits me pretty well. I find I want feminine breasts (I don't know why), but my genitals are OK as a ticket to being with my best friend. The weird tag fits pretty well, too.

Still trying to sort it all out,
Simone
Choose life.
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NickSister

I'm the 'male' that hides lipstick in their handbag  ;)

I hope you don't mind me asking but your post has made me might curious.  Why would a girl break up with you for studying engineering? How did your parants just 'pick out' a girl? and How do your folks view you now?

Good luck on your journey to find enlightenment. I've found some but there is always more to be had.

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Kir

Quote from: NickSister on February 19, 2008, 05:56:32 PM
I'm the 'male' that hides lipstick in their handbag  ;)

Well, I don't have lipstick anymore due to an act of fate (did you know that stuff turns really nasty if you leave it on the dash of your car?) but neither does my wife. However, I do have lip balm dangling off of my bag in the shape of a cute little froofy cheerleader with pink hair...

And I can think of a TON of reasons to break up with an engineer. They are arrogant know it all geeks that will somehow have a Star Wars quote for EVERYTHING. They also are crappy kissers. I know this of course because I went to school at an engineering school (I am a computer scientist) and my wife started in college as an electrical engineer (but switched to computer science). (Please be aware that when I tease engineers, it is in an endearing way, 75% of my friends are engineers.)
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Pica Pica

'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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NickSister

Quote from: Kir on February 19, 2008, 06:15:02 PM
Quote from: NickSister on February 19, 2008, 05:56:32 PM
I'm the 'male' that hides lipstick in their handbag  ;)

Well, I don't have lipstick anymore due to an act of fate (did you know that stuff turns really nasty if you leave it on the dash of your car?) but neither does my wife. However, I do have lip balm dangling off of my bag in the shape of a cute little froofy cheerleader with pink hair...

And I can think of a TON of reasons to break up with an engineer. They are arrogant know it all geeks that will somehow have a Star Wars quote for EVERYTHING. They also are crappy kissers. I know this of course because I went to school at an engineering school (I am a computer scientist) and my wife started in college as an electrical engineer (but switched to computer science). (Please be aware that when I tease engineers, it is in an endearing way, 75% of my friends are engineers.)

Lukily your wifes ability to quote starwars out-weighs all the other negatives  :D
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Kir

How many Jawas does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
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Pica Pica

no idea, I guess they'd have to stand on each others shoulders
'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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Pica Pica

that joke is rubbish, as the ewoks would say.
Beechawawa
'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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Simone Louise

First, I chose engineering to be among the first colonists of space, which I figured would require more resources than any one country could afford thus leading to international peace.

My parents picked a very bright, strong-minded junior, daughter of family friends, and strongly suggested I call her. When we went to her senior prom the following year, she brought a girl friend along. I don't quite know why I mention that.

My mother, too, opposed my choice of major; both preferred I study science or liberal arts. Were I cynical I might observe that engineers get their hands dirty with practicalities. When I was a student, I found engineering students had wider interests than did liberal arts students. After being stubborn for 3 years, I switched to philosophy in order to raise my grades enough to graduate (Computer Science was a graduate discipline, but philosophy, logic in particular, was one way to study computers).

Dad died when I was 24. I felt fortunate he lived to see me marry, graduate, and start a job. My mom has moderate Alzheimer's, so I have no idea what she thinks. I went through a period of not staying in touch (and still live about 3000 miles from the rest of the family) because I felt she was too controlling, but re-established contact when I felt more secure.

I wouldn't keep lipstick in my purse because my wife goes through it when she needs something of mine.

Any other questions?
Simone
Choose life.
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NickSister

Still looking to colonise space? I wonder if it is more likely people will be able to live permanently on big space station habitats orbiting earth or on the moon?

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sd

Quote from: NickSister on February 19, 2008, 08:05:05 PM
Still looking to colonise space? I wonder if it is more likely people will be able to live permanently on big space station habitats orbiting earth or on the moon?


Both are in the works.
I only hope I will get the chance to get up there.
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RebeccaFog

How many engineers does it take to screw in a light bulb?
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Simone Louise

Quote from: NickSister on February 19, 2008, 08:05:05 PM
Still looking to colonise space? I wonder if it is more likely people will be able to live permanently on big space station habitats orbiting earth or on the moon?

Don't forget Mars! Someone, maybe Arthur Clarke, wrote a non-fiction book in the late '50s illustrated with full-color plates speculating on such colonies. It would be a chance to begin anew building society as it was for the early American colonists, or as some of you were envisioning in one of these threads. My teenage-self thought exploration would begin in earnest sometime during the '70s. The British Interplanetary Society http://www.bis-spaceflight.com, to which I belonged in those days, has a current book _Project Boreas - A Station for the Martian Geographic North Pole_ which it says: "should be a valuable and unique document for anyone with an interest in Mars/planetary exploration and the challenges of building and operating extraterrestrial bases."

My best friend from elementary through high school, a tomboy, and I had an imaginary Organization of Islands and Lands (OIL), composed of countries too obscure for the UN to take notice of. We held periodic meetings and kept notebooks full of "facts". Our Organization included a Lunar colony.

Onward and upward,
Simone
Choose life.
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RebeccaFog


I think O.I.L. is a good idea.  That's amazing that you would do that. 


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Kir

Quote from: Rebis on February 19, 2008, 08:11:42 PM
How many engineers does it take to screw in a light bulb?

I dunno, how many?
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RebeccaFog

Quote from: Kir on February 20, 2008, 11:51:14 AM
Quote from: Rebis on February 19, 2008, 08:11:42 PM
How many engineers does it take to screw in a light bulb?

I dunno, how many?
I was asking out of curiosity.  I don't know.
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Shana A

Quote from: Rebis on February 20, 2008, 01:45:10 PM
Quote from: Kir on February 20, 2008, 11:51:14 AM
Quote from: Rebis on February 19, 2008, 08:11:42 PM
How many engineers does it take to screw in a light bulb?

I dunno, how many?
I was asking out of curiosity.  I don't know.

Only on the androgynes board would people tell a joke without a punch line. Gotta love it !!!  ;D  ;)

Z
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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