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lia_li

This is probably going to sound ridiculous but.......

I've been living stealth for a little over a year now but I still haven't come out to my mom who happens to be a very staunch evangelical christian with very anti lgbt views and is extremely homophobic/transphobic.

Anyway...I see her maybe once every 2 or 3 months to meet up for lunch or dinner. During that time, I go back to guy mode (I never grew my hair and keep it at a permanent pixie cut for this reason) I even told her that the scar line I have from ffs is from an accident at work.

Basically, using make up to make my eyebrows look a bit bushy, using a bit to make it look like I have a slight beard/moustache shadow, and wearing baggy clothes and a binder. I also wear my men's glasses and make sure to style my hair in a masculine manner and revert to using a guy voice.

I feel so fake and I don't know if she knows if anything is up. A while ago, my sister tried to talk to my mom about the possibility that I may be gay or trans and my mom literally became ballistic with my sister; throwing things, screaming, telling my sister never to even insinuate such a vile thing, and basically going nuts.

What do I do? I can't keep this up forever. I want to grow out my hair and not have to pretend to be a guy just to make her happy but at the same time, I know if she found out about me, it would devastate her since it's only her, my sister, and me in our family.
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Devlyn

Welcome to Susan's Place!

I'm not sure I'd describe that as stealth as much as jumping in and out of the closet.

Good luck on your journey.  :)

Hugs, Devlyn
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Faith

Lia

You have to decide how to proceed, we can give our comments and 'what we would do' but ultimately it's all on you.

I'll give you the 'what I would do' ... skipping the obvious 'just tell her' which can really just lead to a screaming match (based on your posting)

I would have already slowed down my cover-ups until I'm not hiding anything, grow my hair, whatever. Let her notice the changes. If it should create an issue, so be it, at least I'd be me.
I left the door open, only a few came through. such is my life.
Bluesky:@faithnd.bsky.social

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LizK

Quote from: lia_li on October 04, 2018, 05:03:21 AM
This is probably going to sound ridiculous but.......

I've been living stealth for a little over a year now but I still haven't come out to my mom who happens to be a very staunch evangelical christian with very anti lgbt views and is extremely homophobic/transphobic.

Anyway...I see her maybe once every 2 or 3 months to meet up for lunch or dinner. During that time, I go back to guy mode (I never grew my hair and keep it at a permanent pixie cut for this reason) I even told her that the scar line I have from ffs is from an accident at work.

Basically, using make up to make my eyebrows look a bit bushy, using a bit to make it look like I have a slight beard/moustache shadow, and wearing baggy clothes and a binder. I also wear my men's glasses and make sure to style my hair in a masculine manner and revert to using a guy voice.

I feel so fake and I don't know if she knows if anything is up. A while ago, my sister tried to talk to my mom about the possibility that I may be gay or trans and my mom literally became ballistic with my sister; throwing things, screaming, telling my sister never to even insinuate such a vile thing, and basically going nuts.

What do I do? I can't keep this up forever. I want to grow out my hair and not have to pretend to be a guy just to make her happy but at the same time, I know if she found out about me, it would devastate her since it's only her, my sister, and me in our family.

Hi Lia

Welcome to Susans

Wow you packed a lot into that post. You sound like you are in a tough position. I know telling your Mum is likely to cause you issues but it seems that not telling her is going to cause you even more issues. How about the long term...how long can you keep it from her. You have already had FFS and have to bind so I wonder how much longer you can sustain that. You sound to me as though you would like to tell her.

You don't have to tell her if you are happy to switch your presentation and if you are not then that's more likely your answer.

So If telling her is what you need to do the next question is how to go about it... I like Faith's suggestion but I am guessing if your Mum hasn't noticed something already then you may need to be a lot less subtle hiding yourself before she will. Maybe her really angry reaction to your sister was because she already suspects something anyway. Mum's can be pretty intuitive

Liz
Transition Begun 25 September 2015
HRT since 17 May 2016,
Fulltime from 8 March 2017,
GCS 4 December 2018
Voice Surgery 01 February 2019
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Allison S

#4
I did what Faith above mentioned. My mom basically still hasn't accepted things and I'm always having to talk (or listen?) to her about things I'm doing. The most recent issue she had was that I was wearing earrings. I'm a year into my transition on hrt now and also growing my hair. But to her the earrings really set her off. Lol
I wish I could say it gets easier, but I live with my mom right now. It was easier not living with her. Just over a month ago I was on my own and I was able to contain her reactions, or at least, better deal with them in the short term.

But long term is where my anxiety comes from because my mom has said she wishes I transtioned after she was dead. I know one of the hardest parts about this is the extreme disapproval. It deeply hurts when the people we think we're closest to turn us away.

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Lucca

This may sound harsh, but frankly, if your mother is so immature that she throws such a tantrum at the mere suggestion someone might be trans, I'd tell her over the phone, and then never talk to her again in my life. It doesn't even sound safe to be in the same room with her when you tell her.
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RabbitSpectre

Quote from: lia_li on October 04, 2018, 05:03:21 AM
This is probably going to sound ridiculous but.......

I've been living stealth for a little over a year now but I still haven't come out to my mom who happens to be a very staunch evangelical christian with very anti lgbt views and is extremely homophobic/transphobic.

Anyway...I see her maybe once every 2 or 3 months to meet up for lunch or dinner. During that time, I go back to guy mode (I never grew my hair and keep it at a permanent pixie cut for this reason) I even told her that the scar line I have from ffs is from an accident at work.

Basically, using make up to make my eyebrows look a bit bushy, using a bit to make it look like I have a slight beard/moustache shadow, and wearing baggy clothes and a binder. I also wear my men's glasses and make sure to style my hair in a masculine manner and revert to using a guy voice.

I feel so fake and I don't know if she knows if anything is up. A while ago, my sister tried to talk to my mom about the possibility that I may be gay or trans and my mom literally became ballistic with my sister; throwing things, screaming, telling my sister never to even insinuate such a vile thing, and basically going nuts.

What do I do? I can't keep this up forever. I want to grow out my hair and not have to pretend to be a guy just to make her happy but at the same time, I know if she found out about me, it would devastate her since it's only her, my sister, and me in our family.

Hi Lia! I have a different perspective on this, as one of my very best friends went through this very same thing, and I've seen it happen many times.

I agree with Lucca, but maybe we can still win this fight.

Let me say this plain; it is obvious your mother is only going to cause you grief if you come out to her entirely right now, and however she finds out, you need to distance yourself and minimize backlash so that you can contiue your transition without being treated wrongfully. She also, obviously, needs time to process, and the last thing you should do is make yourself an available target. Family or not, no one has any right to act that way or treat you like that, and judging by her reaction already, she is not in any place where a face to face discussion will avail anything at present. Keep in mind as well, that if you cater to and validate her in any way, she will only continue on this path. She needs time to think and deal with this, rather than projecting her insecurities onto other people, or having a convenient target. In time, and when the smoke clears and she's had a think, you may be able to talk. Time will be your friend here, and you will likely have to be a bit stubborn if you want this to end well. In the end though, its up to HER how this turns out - not you. Don't forget that.

The following is opinion based on faith from my friend's point of view. I will share it here just in case it may be of help, and as I don't know how you feel about the faith, maybe it will be helpful to you if you're struggling with it.
My friend is very religious, and for her, it came down to this:
She wrote her mother a letter, and said something to the effect of the following: (I have recieved her permission to post this anonymously, and she encouraged me to share her story)

'The God we believe in is very different, mother. The God I know is love, acceptance, and universal rights and consideration without borders, limitations, or bias. The God I know is not hateful, is not a hypocrite, and is not what you preach, and what you have said claiming it to be Christian. Your hateful attitudes and violent behavior are not Christian. Whatever your reasoning, I understand you are too filled with spite and ignorance to see that God made me this way for a reason. My transition is a symbol, from God, for that acceptance that Christ preaches, and it is a shame you cannot see that. As your child, and a devoted Christian, I refuse to let your polluted views taint my faith, and it is because I am a Christian, that it is my duty to correct and point this out to you since you claim it as well. I care about you, mother. But your caring for me is sadly not nearly as strong as your caring about validating and practicing  hate, and that is a sad day for any child when their parent has such values above a Christly love and guidance for their children. Either you accept and love me as GOD made me, or we cannot be in each other's lives.

I pray you will see the light, and that you, mother, can be freed from this hate that binds you like chains. I forgive you, mother. It's time you come to terms with your faith, and God, and forgive yourself as well, and move forward. Let not these dark things haunt you any longer. I will pray for you, and hope God opens your eyes. When, and if that day should come, I will be waiting with open arms, and a Christly embrace, as any Christian would.'

Her mother eventually came around, and now the two share a very close and wonderfully deep bond. Additionally, her mother has become active in promoting for acceptance in the church for our community, and proudly posting about her and her daughter.  Sometimes, I guess, for those that may believe in the concept, God works in mysterious ways. She later admitted that if her daughter had not written this to her or taken a stand and stuck with it, she may never have had the revelation she did. She now believes her daughter's actions were the will of God to change her and save her from the cycle of hate.

I don't know you or your mother, and only you know the situation, and the best way to handle this, but I hope this may be of some help, or present some ideas at the very least in how to proceed.

Either way, I hope love will win out in the end. In my experience, it often does. :) Stay strong, girl. You're not alone.
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Donica

I would have to agree with Faith. Grow your hair out. Stop binding. Let her notice. As Liz mentioned, your mom may already know something is going on. After all, nobody knows their children as well as their mother does. Unless your FFS was just a nose job? I'm sure she noticed it. She may be in denial which might explain why she gets so angry at the slightest mention. Bottom line, if you are going to continue your transitioning, she will find out. She will either accept you your not. It makes no sense for both of you to be miserable for the rest of your lives. She is your mother. She obviously loves you. She may never understand but I think she will allow you to be you. That's what mothers do.

I know more than one very religious Christian family that is supportive to the community because someone in their family is trans. However, they will still try to convert you back. Guessing from your post, your mother will harp on you for the rest of her life. That's also what mothers do. She will see your happiness and that should make her happy.

Hope this helps!
Donica.
Rebirth 06/09/2017. HRT 08/22/2017. RLE 07/14/2018. Name and Gender change 10/19/2018. FFS 09/06/2019. GCS 05/26/2021.
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Charlie Nicki

Quote from: Lucca on October 04, 2018, 07:36:12 AM
This may sound harsh, but frankly, if your mother is so immature that she throws such a tantrum at the mere suggestion someone might be trans, I'd tell her over the phone, and then never talk to her again in my life. It doesn't even sound safe to be in the same room with her when you tell her.

For a lot of us our relationship with our family is extremely important, that cutting them off to transition is not an option.

To the OP, I believe in honesty and love. She'll have a hard time, a really hard time, accepting it. You guys might be distanced for a while, but real family and real love always wins (as cheesy as this sounds) and I've seen the most close minded family members come around and start accepting the reality of their loved ones. So this can be done, you just need to be honest, patient and understanding.
Latina :) I speak Spanish, English and a bit of Portuguese.
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Devlyn

Quote from: Charlie Nicki on October 04, 2018, 10:53:37 AM
For a lot of us our relationship with our family is extremely important, that cutting them off to transition is not an option.

To the OP, I believe in honesty and love. She'll have a hard time, a really hard time, accepting it. You guys might be distanced for a while, but real family and real love always wins(as cheesy as this sounds) and I've seen the most close minded family members come around and start accepting the reality of their loved ones. So this can be done, you just need to be honest, patient and understanding.

Yeah... unless you never had that in your family. My mother died a lonely woman, because she never showed any of her five children any love or support. In turn, we never learned to do it.  :(
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KathyLauren

Quote from: lia_li on October 04, 2018, 05:03:21 AM
This is probably going to sound ridiculous but.......

I've been living stealth for a little over a year now but I still haven't come out to my mom who happens to be a very staunch evangelical christian with very anti lgbt views and is extremely homophobic/transphobic.

Anyway...I see her maybe once every 2 or 3 months to meet up for lunch or dinner. During that time, I go back to guy mode (I never grew my hair and keep it at a permanent pixie cut for this reason) I even told her that the scar line I have from ffs is from an accident at work.

Basically, using make up to make my eyebrows look a bit bushy, using a bit to make it look like I have a slight beard/moustache shadow, and wearing baggy clothes and a binder. I also wear my men's glasses and make sure to style my hair in a masculine manner and revert to using a guy voice.

I feel so fake and I don't know if she knows if anything is up. A while ago, my sister tried to talk to my mom about the possibility that I may be gay or trans and my mom literally became ballistic with my sister; throwing things, screaming, telling my sister never to even insinuate such a vile thing, and basically going nuts.

What do I do? I can't keep this up forever. I want to grow out my hair and not have to pretend to be a guy just to make her happy but at the same time, I know if she found out about me, it would devastate her since it's only her, my sister, and me in our family.
Hi, Lia!

Welcome to Susan's Place.

First things first: consider your own safety.  It doesn't sound like it is safe for you to be in the same room as your mother if/when you tell her.  So, if you tell her, I would recommend writing a letter.

Next, consider your own mental wellbeing.  It is obviously hurting you to switch to male mode on a regular basis.

So then, balance those against your desire to remain in contact with your mother.  Only you can work out what your priorities should be.  Are you seeing a therapist?  If so, this would be an issue to discuss with them, to see if they can help you with a strategy that will work for you.

Please feel free to stop by the Introductions forum to tell the members about yourself.  Here is some information that we like to share with new members:

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lia_li

Thank you everyone for the responses.

My dad (my mom and dad had a bitter divorce many years ago) passed 3 months ago and it was so sudden that I never had the chance to thank him for everything. I haven't spoken to my dad for years due to the divorce and I was devastated when I found out he passed since he was only in his 60's.

I don't want that to happen to my mom. My mom and I have always had a difficult time since we were never typically close but she's my mom. I want a closer relationship with my mom but I can accept if she doesn't ever want to see or talk to me again but I can't shun her. If she passes while we weren't talking, it would devastate me and I don't want to go through that again.

I thought about writing a letter but I really don't think that would work with my mom and being that I am no longer religious, I would hate to be insincere as it would just be another form of a lie since she doesn't realize that I no longer hold any religious beliefs.

Anyway, thank you everyone and sorry if I don't talk about this any further. I'm not sure why I posted this. I honestly don't think I can come out to her any time soon, if at all. It's been 4 years since my transition and since she still hasn't noticed, I guess it's just something that I have to endure.
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RabbitSpectre

Lia, don't apologize. You've done nothing wrong. You can leave it at that or post more, or whatever you prefer. We all need help sometimes, and I'm just happy we could be there for you, at the very least. We're here if you need us. :)
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Veronica J

Hi Lia,

I knows its tough. my parents are just as christian and just as anti LGBTIQ as well. extremely so, in my situation (still part way into my transition) i am gonna come out to them next month via a letter.

To scared for similar reactions or possibly violence. My ex now knows that she has deadline to tell the kids before I make it official with the family. In short I am excited and nervous. What will my parents do? Storm over and confront me ? (verbally or physically - this is highly likely) will my sisters hound me? In a way I am a bit scared of the reaction, I wont lie a small amount of fear. This could turn out real nasty, sure hope not.

i decided to no longer hide the truth any more and want them to know from me rather than seeing me dressed in public or someone else tells them. its time for me to move forward in all things as me.

Please dont retreat and hide. its causing you pain, all things hidden will come to light. and its causing you pain, i have similar fears as you. i am expecting some violence (worse case scenario), tell her the truth so she can deal with it and you may end up with a far better relationship.l
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Jin

Just remember that God made us in His/Her image. We are what we are because of Divine Creation. And we are not all the same physically, but we are the same spiritually. And that is all that we will have after we are done with these bodies.
I yam what I yam, and that's all what I yam.
-- Popeye

A wise person can learn more from fools than a fool can learn from a wise person.
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Lucca

Quote from: Charlie Nicki on October 04, 2018, 10:53:37 AM
For a lot of us our relationship with our family is extremely important, that cutting them off to transition is not an option.

The OP describes her Mom as "screaming and throwing things" just because the topic of ->-bleeped-<- was broached. That's a level of absurd, overreactive behavior that goes beyond simple bigotry or disapproval, and it's not even physically safe to be around. It might "devestate" her to learn that her child is transgender, but that's her own fault; she doesn't have to do this, she chooses to, and if it devastates her, that's her own prerogative.

Lia is free to make her own decisions and decide what she wants for herself, of course. But if it was me, I'd cut someone like that out of my life entirely and never look back, no matter who they were, or what effect it would have on them. If anyone else wants to suggest some sort of reconciliation, that's fine, but I don't see a reason to even bother.
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lia_li

Quote from: RabbitSpectre on October 04, 2018, 02:25:51 PM
Lia, don't apologize. You've done nothing wrong. You can leave it at that or post more, or whatever you prefer. We all need help sometimes, and I'm just happy we could be there for you, at the very least. We're here if you need us. :)

Thank you Rabbit.

Quote from: Veronica A on October 04, 2018, 03:30:57 PM
Please dont retreat and hide. its causing you pain, all things hidden will come to light. and its causing you pain, i have similar fears as you. i am expecting some violence (worse case scenario), tell her the truth so she can deal with it and you may end up with a far better relationship.l

I hope everything turns out well Veronica and I'm glad that you're moving forward no matter what and thank you, I'll have to think about it.

Quote from: Lucca on October 04, 2018, 05:20:22 PM
Lia is free to make her own decisions and decide what she wants for herself, of course. But if it was me, I'd cut someone like that out of my life entirely and never look back, no matter who they were, or what effect it would have on them. If anyone else wants to suggest some sort of reconciliation, that's fine, but I don't see a reason to even bother.

My mom and I never had a great relationship and there was a time where I stopped talking to her for a few years. As she's now in her 60's, she's getting older and I want to make sure that she isn't alone. My sister lives out of state so I'm the only family she has. My mom has had a hard life and she's always been temperamental. Life growing up with her was not easy but she always did her best as a single mother.

tbh, I want my mom in my life because I couldn't forgive myself if she died alone. I can tell her what I am but I'm afraid of how difficult it will be for her and how it could pretty much end the relationship we have.
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Sarah1979

Quote from: lia_li on October 04, 2018, 07:53:25 PM

tbh, I want my mom in my life because I couldn't forgive myself if she died alone. I can tell her what I am but I'm afraid of how difficult it will be for her and how it could pretty much end the relationship we have.

I understand this, but please honey keep yourself safe.  With what you've said about how your mother reacts to the very concept of you being any sort of different... I kinda agree with Lucca... please be safe.
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Veronica J

Quote from: lia_li on October 04, 2018, 07:53:25 PM
Thank you Rabbit.

I hope everything turns out well Veronica and I'm glad that you're moving forward no matter what and thank you, I'll have to think about it.

My mom and I never had a great relationship and there was a time where I stopped talking to her for a few years. As she's now in her 60's, she's getting older and I want to make sure that she isn't alone. My sister lives out of state so I'm the only family she has. My mom has had a hard life and she's always been temperamental. Life growing up with her was not easy but she always did her best as a single mother.

tbh, I want my mom in my life because I couldn't forgive myself if she died alone. I can tell her what I am but I'm afraid of how difficult it will be for her and how it could pretty much end the relationship we have.
You still need be to true and honest to have the relationship you should be having. her acting like a child for a women who is in her 60s is quiet frankly terrible and a manipulation technique against you. it is better to have her in your life as your true-self rather than lie each and every time. its a good thing you want her in your life, it probably wont be as bad or as difficult as you think. if it does thats' on her, her choice and her actions. you cant control other people actions only your own actions. dont let her control you, be your true and honest self. i stand in the same spot where, once i tell them i may very well loose my whole family except one sister. i can only be true and honest with them and leave their actions up to them. i am tired of hiding and lying and can no longer do so. while its hard its necessary.
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tarabel

Whether or not your mother dies alone is entirely her decision and within her control.  You have to come out to her sooner or later, otherwise the mental and physical gymnastics of going from female to male in her company will get to you.  Please do this in a safe manner.

if your mother rejects you, she and only she is responsible for being alone and ending your relationship.  Sorry for the tough love, but you are a grown woman and you need to live your life authentically.

i say this as somebody who was rejected by her own parents and did not see or speak to them for over 3 years.  Last month, i met them in person for the first time since my transition and they now seem to be accepting. 
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