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Transsexuals will Transition!

Started by stephanie_craxford, March 14, 2006, 08:19:44 PM

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Lori

O.k.  so what would be a valid excuse, reason, decision NOT to transition when somebody is in their 30's?

Somebody here didnt sh*t and sat on the pot until mid life so why bring up people seeking other answers when others, even on this forum waited until their 50's and obviously found reasons not to do it until then? Some wait until their 60's. Some take it to the grave.

It is easy to sit there and say to others that are afraid and prey on those fears and bring out to light that if they were real transsexuals they would transition and stop whining about it. Especially when they have found a way to do it and kept their jobs and spouses. Swing away if it makes you feel any better.
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Sarah Louise

I'll tell you my reasons for not transitioning earlier Lori, in the 70's there wasn't that much information around about Transsexualism.  At least none that I could find, I didn't know how to find it.

I had already made the mistake of asking the high school counselor, they thought I was crazy, I tried my family doctor, he told me I was crazy.  After that I quit trying to ask for help.  It wasn't until my late 30's that I ever ran into another TS girl, she answered all kinds of questions about myself to me.  I made the personal decision not to transition at that point, I wanted to, I might even wish I had.  But, I had young children and decided I would wait until after they were grown and into college at the minimum.

Yes, I was silly and married to please my parents (I am not saying I didn't have feelings for my spouse), but a commitment is a commitment.  I kept it until the kids were grown, out of college and on their own.

I tried to fight it for my spouse, but it was impossible.  So, I lost her love, her companionship, my kids support.  My family always knew so they didn't support me.  Lost what few friends I had, except one.  Lost half or more of my business clients. 

Yes, transioning can include loss.  You have to make up you own mind if that is acceptable to you.  I didn't want to lose any of those things, but it was a matter of Life or Death.  I am Not sorry I transitioned, it was the best decision I have ever made, I only wish I had the courage to do it earlier in life.

I'm not saying you have to transition.  Each of us makes that decision on their own.  But don't ever think that Anyone transitions without sacrifice.

Sarah L.
Nameless here for evermore!;  Merely this, and nothing more;
Tis the wind and nothing more!;  Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore!!"
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Kimberly

The problem with this mess we find ourselves in is that that "choice" to transition isn't. If you are transsexual you have no choice. Honest, it is simple as that. However, it should be noted that transition means different things to each of us and does NOT necessarily mean surgery nor does it necessarily mean hormones, etc.


Do you know how long I mulled over what could happen? What I could loose, etc. ad nauseam. ? I'll give you a hint; I was single the next day and starting to transition in earnest.


For reference I do not see any reason to fear this. Yes, you could loose everything... things which can be reacquired, any friends lost weren't. It is very possible I will die before, during or after this all. So what? Good bloody riddance; death is better than what was. Either I am missing something (or somethings!) or my perspective is seriously skewed.  :-\
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stephanie_craxford

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Quote from: Lori on March 15, 2006, 11:46:40 AM
O.k.  so what would be a valid excuse, reason, decision NOT to transition when somebody is in their 30's?

To be honest Lori I can't think of a valid reason not to transition, if you are a woman then be that woman.

QuoteSomebody here didn't sh*t and sat on the pot until mid life so why bring up people seeking other answers when others, even on this forum waited until their 50's and obviously found reasons not to do it until then? Some wait until their 60's. Some take it to the grave.

Very valid points Lori.  There is nothing wrong with waiting.  Planning takes time, you would need to put together a support team, medical professionals, set up a time line, locate resources, etc, etc...  No one expects anyone else to simply drop everything the next day and head off merrily into disaster.   Remember also there was no internet back then, no online information or support groups, you were on your own, where the heck could you turn.  The closest manual was pictures of ->-bleeped-<-s in skin books, chicks with d#*ks etc... hardly a wealth of info.  We all have reasons for the time in our lives we transitioned, but transition did take place.  One of the delays for my transition was for medical reasons.  Simply put my doctor insisted that I correct the problem before she would even consider HRT.  Another delay to my own transition was due to serving overseas.  Once back in Canada I resigned and it started.   Others are simply not diagnosed or realise that they are transsexual until late in life.

QuoteIt is easy to sit there and say to others that are afraid and prey on those fears and bring out to light that if they were real transsexuals they would transition and stop whining about it. Especially when they have found a way to do it and kept their jobs and spouses. Swing away if it makes you feel any better.

Now you are just feeling sorry for yourself.  No one here is preying on you or your situation, members are stating their points of view, that is hardly preying on anyone.  So I would say to you, no challenge you that since others here have found a way to transition, keep their job and spouses, why can't you?
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Hazumu

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Quote from: umop ap!sdn on March 14, 2006, 08:59:59 PM

I hate my given first name, but the thought of changing it seems like such a big step. I very much desire the feminizing effects of estrogen, but taking hormones seems like such a big step...


Given name?  My mom chose my name to piss off her hated in-laws -- one of the reasons I don't feel like revealing it here.  I chose Hazumu (a Japanese cartoon character) as an interim until I could discover my female name (Karen, if you're curious...  I'm sticking with 'Haz' on this board 'cause everyone's used to it and it's kinda' cool to have a nickname (my first ever!))

Getting used to thinking in "Karen" is tough, but I expected it would be.  I was so thoroughly in denial that I never considered myself (or would permit myself to consider) as other than male, 'he', 'him'.  Now I have to get used to thinking of myself as a different name and different pronouns.  It will take time.  (One thing I did to move in that direction was add my new name as an authorized user of one of my credit cards -- now I get stuff (and bills!) addressed to Karen.  Gives me a warm glow to see that on the package and realize it's ME!)

Doing HRT is a very good way to sort out if you really are transsexual or not, and has been written about extensively on this board.  If you panic when the changes start to happen (and I mean REALLY panic,) then either you're not ready to transition, or aren't really a transsexual.

But make sure to look inside you.  Ignore the part about what-will-others-think-about-me, and look at how "I" really feel.  If you get a sort of warm feeling about your body being feminized by the HRT, if it feels 'right' and 'good', then you're probably on the right track. 

But you're still pretty young, I see, and it's hard at that age to recognize those feelings of the rightness and goodness of something on so little experience.   And what others may think of you is still hugely-important -seeming. (How do I know? I was once 24.  --once...)  That's why you have to quiet your inner what-will-they-think-of-me? noise.  I'll bet you were a bully-magnet in high school.    Those types will still target you during and after transition, but dammit!, now at least you'll know the reason rather than all those years of wondering, "Why me???"

You've already posted in Terri Anne's U-Turn topic, so you're considering many rational pros and cons of transitioning.  But don't let your fear stop you from transitioning, if you find that that's what you must do.

Karen "Haz"

[edit]Thanks, Kimberly for pointing out my veiled profanity.  It's all gone now. [/edit]
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umop ap!sdn

Quote from: Hazumu on March 18, 2006, 12:15:07 PMMy mom chose my name to piss off her hated in-laws -- one of the reasons I don't feel like revealing it here.
Yikes! :o I don't blame you for not wanting to reveal it, even aside from familial reasons. :-\ I've managed to distance myself from mine in day to day life, even going by my middle name at work. It can be a great thing not having that reminder all the time.

QuoteGetting used to thinking in "Karen" is tough, but I expected it would be.  ...  (One thing I did to move in that direction was add my new name as an authorized user of one of my credit cards -- now I get stuff (and bills!) addressed to Karen.  Gives me a warm glow to see that on the package and realize it's ME!)
I think any new name will take getting used to - doubly so when it is a gender we wouldn't let ourselves be before. Not having grown up with it, there isn't a strong connection. Hey that's really neat about the card. One of those little things that's nice to have done, and it's good to have that validation. I think before you know it your new name will become second nature. :)

QuoteDoing HRT is a very good way to sort out if you really are transsexual or not, and has been written about extensively on this board.
Yes, the post about some therapists using it as a diagnostic tool. That post, I think is right on - it got me thinking, okay... I've gotten approval to start, arranged a time to see someone who can write the prescriptions, so the next step is to see how it affects me. Will it give me the sense of peace that others feel. Will it lift the fog my mind is always in. Will the physical effects be as great as I anticipate. It's one thing to think about something all the time, and quite another to actually experience it, LOL. I'm doing my best now to hold off on obsessing "am I really" all the time until taking this step.

QuoteIgnore the part about what-will-others-think-about-me, and look at how "I" really feel.
I admit, it's difficult to do. It's difficult to go out in public and happen to catch my reflection and not wonder, am I obvious.

QuoteAnd what others may think of you is still hugely-important -seeming. (How do I know? I was once 24.  --once...)  That's why you have to quiet your inner what-will-they-think-of-me? noise.  I'll bet you were a bully-magnet in high school.
Yeah it does seem to be so. :D

HS would have been a nightmare but thank goodness I was spared from that.

QuoteYou've already posted in Terri Anne's U-Turn topic, so you're considering many rational pros and cons of transitioning.  But don't let your fear stop you from transitioning, if you find that that's what you must do.
Good advice; thank you. :) 
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DawnL

I'm with Steph on this.  If you're a transsexual, you'll transition because you have to.  If you don't have to or can manage with less than a transition, do so.  This can become a labeling exercise for some people who will say if you don't transition or die trying, you ain't a transsexual.  I'm not sure that's entirely true.  I think some people are weakly transsexual but don't have the do-or-die syndrome.  Call yourself transgendered then.  It's not like transsexuality is an exclusive club or a badge of honor.  Real handicaps and dangers come with the title.  What seems to be at issue is becoming female, or living as a female.  I don't believe you can do these things without full transition and if you cite the risks of transition as your reason for not doing so, your desire to be female isn't that strong or you're simply putting off the inevitable collision with fate most of us end up facing sooner or later.  You may also make everyone around you miserable in the mean time.  I don't think it's possible to be fully female with a penis regardless of your abilities of denial but I do think it possible to be a female who is 6'2" and looks quite masculine because I've seen plenty of women do it.  I am blessed in what I've been able to do and that I am small but even if I was much larger, I would still have had only two choices: transition or die.  I could not continue as I was.  Excuses are just that, excuses, and if you have enough of them, you probably shouldn't think too hard about transition.

Dawn
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Kate

Quote from: DawnL on March 18, 2006, 10:41:59 PMI think some people are weakly transsexual but don't have the do-or-die syndrome.  Call yourself transgendered then.

Nah, I'm gonna keep calling myself transsexual regardless. "True" transsexual even.

It's amusing though, you've helped me realize something...

I'm a bit of a control freak. Not in terms of controlling other people, but in terms of myself. I won't drink or do drugs for example, because I don't like being controlled by an external influence.

Which is why this transsexuality thing is making me CRAZY. Here's this alien force, driving me to do something as insane as changing my sex... and try as I have, I just cannot find a way to stop it. Heck, the more I try, the worse it gets! The more I try to "solve" it, the more inertia it seems to gather.

I've often said I'd sooner kill myself before I let the angst of "transition or die" drive me to suicide. Think about that one for awhile. I do understand your point, I really do. I just refuse (probably a futile gesture) to give in to it.

But the idea of doing something so... so... crazy... not as a choice, not by accepting responsibility for it, but because I "had to or die" is just so incredibly antithetical to me. It's just so "the devil made me do it" sounding.

Which leaves me stuck. I can't responsibly *choose* to do something so potentially havoc-wreaking, and I refuse to just "let go" and let it happen without my consent, as it were.

Hmmm. Interesting. What a moral mess.
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DawnL

Interesting choice of words.  Do you think I or any other transitioning or transitioned TS had/has less willpower than you?  I repeat--and Leigh has said this far more forcefully than I--if you can avoid transition, do so.  The costs are very great no matter how smoothly your transition.  You will remain an oddity afterwards to many people and if you go stealth, you will live with the fear of discovery.

I'm not sure why you describe this as a moral mess.  If you don't accept this as a medical condition then you see it as a mental disorder?  Are mental disorders less valid as medical conditions than say, brain tumors?  I realize that it how society views this but will you consider yourself a failure if you are compelled to transition?  I hope not.  I don't see any moral issues here.

I put off my transition a very long time.  I thought I could deny it, suppress it, take it to my grave.  I was also miserable beyond any description.  You may be able to decide and define your future and I wish you nothing but the best of luck in doing so.

Dawn
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Hazumu

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Quote from: DawnL on March 19, 2006, 08:25:06 AM

I'm not sure why you describe this as a moral mess.  If you don't accept this as a medical condition then you see it as a mental disorder?  Are mental disorders less valid as medical conditions than say, brain tumors?  I realize that it how society views this but will you consider yourself a failure if you are compelled to transition?  I hope not.  I don't see any moral issues here.


Welcome back, Dawn!

Boy, when you used the word 'moral', it set off all kinds of alarms in me.  I think you're touching on something that can illuminate how a transsexual person is seen by various segments of society, and why we must search for the 'but I just can't help it" reason for our transsexuality.

Allow me to groove on this a bit--  ;)

I've found George Lakoff's viewing people and their personal morality/politics on a Strict Father/Nurturing Parent axis to be quite helpful in seeing issues from their point of view.

Someone who views family and life with the Nurturing Parent worldview will generally have no problem with the transsexual.  Their attitude is pretty much, "It's a free world, if you feel the need to do that and as long as you're not hurting or abusing another with it, then I (and others) have no right to stop you from living your life that way, and I will treat you with the respect deserving another human being." These are the people who don't care WHAT we are, but care WHO we are (a BIG difference in my book.) Why we feel the need to transition is just not an issue.  It could be because of a medical condition (no choice) or because of strong desire (choice) -- either way, it doesn't matter to a Nurturing Parent person.  To interfere in any way in our decision would be morally wrong.

Then there are the Stern Father people.  In their morality, you must play out the hand that life has dealt you.  To try to discard/draw, or to fold shows lack of discipline, which is morally wrong.  If you were born a boy, then By God you are a boy until the day you die!  If you don't show the discipline to accept the role God has dealt you, then you deserve the punishment we are about to mete out.  Undisciplined people are sub-human ("What th'hell ARE you?")

But discipline implies choice, that you could choose to do something morally bad.  If there is no choice in the matter, then you are exempted from getting the punishment you deserve.  This is why the Strict Father adherents have decreed that transsexualism and homosexuality are choices and not I-just-can't-help-it medical conditions/disorders.  In contrast, it's interesting that a sizable group of Strict Father-ers also declared that alcohol-induced judgement imparement was in the I-couldn't-help-it category.  Get drunk enough and your bad behavior is exempted from retribution. (Another exemption is the found-my-wife-in-bed-with-another-man exemption.)

The Strict Father-ers have a big stake in whether transsexualism is a choice or an incurable not-a-choice.  If it's a choice, they are justified in abusing the TS, because the TS is morally evil, and the moral books MUST be balanced by retribution -- to not mete out retribuiton when one finds evil in the world is a sign of weakness, of lack of discipline, and is morally bad.

The Strict Father-ers KNOW in their hearts that TSs are morally bad, because they feel revulsion when confronted by transsexuality or a transsexual (just being in the same room with one makes some feel physically ill.)  They can't stand the thought that TSs could get a physical imparement exemption just like the smart-mouthed Downs Syndrome kid or the snotty epileptic kid they remember when they were growing up -- deserving of retribution but hiding behind an exemption.

If it weren't for such people in the world, I could give a $#!^ about whether my condition is choice or no-choice.  Because such people exist, and that their morality allows arbitrary discrimination against me in hiring, in freedom from harassment (or, more precisely, the lack of freedom from harassment) withholding of concern/caring/compassion ("No compassion for YOU!!!") -- generally treating me as less than human -- I desperately want a physical it-can't-be-helped reason for TS to be found so I can get my discrimination/harassment exemption pass.

This is my take on it, and my personal opinion.  Feel free to disagree with it, and I'd like to see your take on the issue.

Dawn, thanks for the springboard (the word 'moral') for my rant!  ;D

Karen

EDIT:  Out, Out!  Damned spellos...
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umop ap!sdn

Quote from: Kate on March 18, 2006, 11:29:25 PMBut the idea of doing something so... so... crazy... not as a choice, not by accepting responsibility for it, but because I "had to or die" is just so incredibly antithetical to me. It's just so "the devil made me do it" sounding.
I used to have a similar outlook. I was brought up to believe that anything to do with "mental health" was all hooey, by parents who, though thank goodness they're the Nurturing Parent type conversely they also believe that we choose our life path, that everything's a choice but it's all okay regardless. Well, the fact is there's a documented medical correlation with the size of the BSTc, so no matter what *we* are a transsexual still has a brain mismatched to their body. For me, I just deal with the responsibility part by not thinking of it in that context, just doing what seems right to me and seeing if it feels right.

Hope that's of some help. :)
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HelenW

About this thought, "But the idea of doing something so... so... crazy... not as a choice, not by accepting responsibility for it, but because I 'had to or die' is just so incredibly antithetical to me. It's just so 'the devil made me do it' sounding."

Well, there's always a choice!  But the devil is in the details,  the problem is the set of options that you are faced with.  Do I have a choice to transition or not?  Sure. Everybody has the choice.  The big problem is that the other option can very well be fatal.  The other option is a complete and all encompassing Misery.  Until death from the stress or by my own hand or final capitulation to the process of transition ends it.

The "Stern Fathers?"  Even if they know that the choices are limited to living as a trans person or dying, they feel so convinced of their own moral superiority, so convinced that retribution is deserved, that to them your suicide would be a better choice for you to make than changing and challenging their paradigm, their world view.  To them, you should die if you can't fit into the mold that they think you were born into.

But, never the less, it IS a choice.  It's just not very MUCH of a choice.  To live in misery so deep that death is more desirable or to take advantage of our technology and transition to gain another chance at fulfillment are the options.

I personally feel that this is such a fundamental change that I owe it to myself and the people who rely on me to take it very slowly and to stop when I get to a point where the misery is manageable.  Will I reach that point?  Who knows?  I could get there tomorrow, or maybe never, maybe not even after SRS.  But it will still be MY choice to go further or not.  And if I get to a point short of SRS and I can live with it I will still call myself transexual.  After all, doesn't the clinical definition revolve around why you're dysphoric and not what you do to ease your dysphoria?

helen
FKA: Emelye

Pronouns: she/her

My rarely updated blog: http://emelyes-kitchen.blogspot.com

Southwestern New York trans support: http://www.southerntiertrans.org/
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Sheila

I believe that if you are transexual, then you will have this overwhelming desire to be either male or female. Now, the amount of surgery will depend on you. Some can have a little like an orchi. and then some have to do it all, facial, rib taken out etc. The F to M  have a really hard time of it as there really isn't any bottom surgery that is any good and it is way too expensive. They are improving this surgery, but it will take a while. I know I had to have GRS or I just wasn't a whole person. I had an orchi. and after a year, it just wasn't enough. I never had facial surgery or anyother surgery. I'm really feeling very good about myself now. I read a few posts back that one girl talked about her being 6'2". I'm 5'10" with broad shoulders and a strong chin. When I came out. I had 16" biceps, it was very hard for me to find clothes that would fit my body. My wife, who is one of my biggest supporters, told me after my surgery that I had to own who I am. If I couldn't then there is no hope for you. I thought about that and now I own my femaleness. My head is high and my shoulders back and I go everywhere. I now own who I am. It takes time and a little courage. If you are a transexual. If you are not then you will always be afraid of something. Like I said before the amount of surgery is up to you.
  Some people have said my transition was easy. In no way do they know what I have gone through in my life. One little mishap was a ride in an ambulence to the emergency ward and my stomach pumped and a tube ran down my nose. Then all of those questions, which I don't remember half of them. How about in the mental ward for a few days. Then being watched and people coming up to you saying they love you and you don't even know who they are. Seeing the anguish of your wife in the room with you is so terrifying that you will not do that again, anyway in your right mind. How about losing your son and his wife and never seeing their child, your grandson. They only live 2 miles away. It is not easy, no matter how much money you have or don't have, or what color your skin is. I have had that thrown in my face too.
   I was one month away from my 55th birthday when I had my GRS. In the fifties when I knew, you just didn't say you were homosexual, at least in my family. In the 60's I tried to fit in as male, no success there, by the end of the 60's I got married with the first girl I ever had sex with, in fact the only girl. We had two children and I had responcibilties to raise these children. I did that and when it was over I was over and that was when the ride to the hospital occurred. Therapy and such has brought me to my place now. I should at least get an Oscar for my performance as a man in the world of the 20th century. I'm happy now and thoughts of suicide have subsided and I only get them every once in a while now, not everyday like before. I have a self esteem problem, which I'm getting over with. It's hard.
Sheila
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cindianna_jones

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Quote from: Lori on March 15, 2006, 07:43:17 AM
I wonder Steph, if you had lost your job, spouse, home, and was living on the street (first of all you would not be posting in here because you would have no computer, internet service, or electricity, desk, or money for transition,) If you would not be singing a different tune. You make it sound soooo easy and without heavy major consequences. You are an exception. An overwhelming exception to put it mildly. I hope young transsexuals reading your posts don't go on thinking your life is going to be the norm. It isn't I wished it was and I have to admit I'm envious of you. If I had the same securities you have I would be well into transition by now possible doing the right thing or making a mistake.

I had a degree in engineering and an MBA. I had a beautiful family and a rocketing marketing career. I was well respected and did not have to worry about money. There was no internet. I knew no one who could help me with my problem. That would all change.

For me, in my situation, I lost everything.  For those who have read my book, you know. I did play the "what if" game for a while and went forwards and backwards several times.  But once everyone knew about me, all bonds were broken, all bets were off. There was nothing that would stand in my way. I lost ALL of my family at one point and all of my friends. I lost my job and my status.  I lost my religion and my faith. I was publicly excommunicated. I was openly humiliated where I worked. I was followed by church members and I was physically abused. I was legally disowned by my parents. I was literally told to leave my home state. I drove to CA with only a few clothes in my leased car and I rent a room. I cut my food budget to 10 dollars a week. Electrolosys always had a priority before food.  I'd frequent the bars during happy hour for food and I'd crash a wedding party when I could swing it. There were many dayes every month when I did not eat. I did telephone work talking dirty to men in addition to the demeaning work that I could find.  I paid child support when I didn't have a place to live. For a while I was homeless; I lived in my car. I would have done almost anything to get what I needed. Friends of mine in Hollywood who had the same drive were not as resourceful as I. They turned to the only thing that they could do to raise the money needed. Two of them contracted AIDS and they comitted suicide.

For me, at that time, once everyone knew.  I could not stop the progress.  It wasn't a question of need or carefull decision making.  Although I managed to pay my child support (from credit card advances), I would have even abandoned them to make it happen. What Steph is saying is that the power is so strong that you are powereless to stop it.  I could not stop the squirrel from moving forward.  I was ready within one year. I had my papers. I had the money (also borrowed... from loan sharks). 

I had my surgery alone.  I did not tell my family. My friends did not know. I only told one; she drove me to the airport and picked me up. Every time I told anyone anything, someone from my church would show up to attempt and stop it.  I was not paranoid. It really happened. They followed me everywhere. The phone calls never ended. The letters of mindless bigotry and hate never stopped coming.

I've read accounts here, and I don't mean to offend, where counselors have asked and probed to find this fighting monster attacking to move forward.  They don't find it.  Consequently, the process is slowed while you take a step back and reexamine your alternatives.

Had my analyst asked a question in a similar vein, I would have steam rolled right over her to find someone else to give me a script or a letter of recommendation.

Okay, I've let out the secret.  If you don't feel it, if you don't live that drive, if you can't muster that fight to claw your way up the sheer granite cliff, if you won't sell your very soul to get it, well... I'm not sure what to say.  I've met many others in our situation.  Those with the drive find their lives. Those that don't, fall by the wayside somewhere in endless group sessions and therapy.

This is as close to the cold hard truth as I will ever post.

Cindi
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Buffy

Quote from: Cindianna_Jones on August 13, 2006, 06:52:40 AM
Okay, I've let out the secret.  If you don't feel it, if you don't live that drive, if you can't muster that fight to claw your way up the sheer granite cliff, if you won't sell your very soul to get it, well... I'm not sure what to say.  I've met many others in our situation.  Those with the drive find their lives. Those that don't, fall by the wayside somewhere in endless group sessions and therapy.

This is as close to the cold hard truth as I will ever post.

Michelle (AKA Cindianna Jones)

Cindi,

Your story is very much like my own.......

A triumph over disaster and something that was never going to be avoided, a question of "when" rather than "if" the emotional strain became to much and I had to find the inner courage to admit I was living a lie.

I was a very succesful guy, PhD, MBA, great job, wonderful family, two fantastic kids, a trophy cabinet full of sporting achievements and all the trappings of success.......... but It was never my life, I didn't belong there, I hated every minute apart from my family.

How can you explain the pain, every second of every minute, of every hour of every day to someone? How do you explain to your partner why you are always crying in your sleep, why you don't want to go to work dressed in a suit and tie....because it is not you!

I kept going through many years of deep depression, jealousy, pain and falling deeper into my own nightmare, being trapped in my lifestyle and my love of my family. I carried my secret, my denial around for 39 years before attempting suicide made me realise that I had only two choices to transition and risk losing everything or die..... :'(

I found the strength to see a Doctor and got a referal to see a a specialist. Just over two years later I had fully transitioned and had SRS. I lost everything, emotionally, financially, my career , because of my Gender issues...

I had to borrow the money to do this, my ex partner and my two sons got everything else, the house, cars and still $5000 US per month Alimony. My parents disowned me (although I am now reconciled with my father) and I lost the majority of my (so called) close friends. The Company I worked for moved me out of the limelight and would have loved to get rid of me, although it is extremely difficult under UK law. I came within 24 hours of being declared bankrupt under UK law.

I suffered ridicule, discrimination, but all this did was harden my resolve and become more determined to suceed... No one was ever going to stop me trying to find my own happiness.

In 2002 I left my home country, with two suitcases and a small black and white Cat (Buffy), for a new life and job abroad and an uncertain future. The rest as they say is history. I have found an inner strength, confidence and spirit that I never had before in my life. I have clawed my way back up that granite cliff and now I am in sight of the top. Within two years I will have paid back my debts.

As far as I know, there is no cure for deep routed Transexualism apart from physically transitioning and living the life you where denied by birth. I wouldn't wish what I went through on my worst enemy, it literaly was soul destroying.

I know many people stay with their families, have supportive wives and children, that must be so fantastic and wonderful to keep those relationships alive. I also know many people are unable to fund the things they want to do and that is so sad.

In hindsight would I do the same again, absolutely.........


Rebecca

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Melissa

I understand what you both are saying.  The drive is so strong to move forward that nothing becomes too great of a price to pay.  I have been able to remain on my feet so far because luck has favored me.  I lost my job a little while after I came out and luck gave me a better job.  I've pretty much lost my family and although I don't act like it, it does hurt.  My parents have completely stopped communicating with me at this point as they told me they would if I "decided" to go ahead and transition.  I am constantly stressed out at home too.  It's quite possible I may end up losing my home from all of this and as a result, my wife will keep the kids from me and try to take everything I have in court.  In other words, I still have a lot I may lose.  It doesn't mean there is any going back for me.  Now that I'm fulltime, I feel I've come to the eye of the storm.  There is once again peace, but I know it will be short-lived as soon as the dysphoria catches up again (which it does from time to time) and the drive to have surgery will become unbearable.

Melissa
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tinkerbell

Hi boys and girls:
After doing some research, I found an article somewhere which deals with this issue.  I hope you enjoy it as much as I did.


QUOTE "While there is no question that early intervention is of supreme benefit to the transsexual -and the earlier the better- it is often tantamount to suicide to make an error of judgment in the matter of sex reassignment, whatever the degree of alteration. For this reason, careful filters have been created, such as the Benjamin Standards Of Care, to help prevent the occurrence of hideous mistakes. Even so, there are always a few souls, and the suggestion is that the number is large, who use their special gifts to get around the system. Rarely, this results in the partial or total destruction of a life. The blame for such a mistake is squarely on the head of the person seeking reassignment, though some, in their pathos and degradation, attempt to sue or harass the very individuals that gave them what they themselves demanded. There is no bottom to which some humans cannot sink, in their attempt to avoid responsibility for themselves.

It is self responsibility that is the key issue here! There is currently no sure test, no absolute method of determining the gender orientation of any person. While gender issues are deadly serious, they are also exceedingly subjective, and the physicians that have the courage to care for the transsexual or the transgendered must act from a position of acceptance of the claims of the patient. The full burden of responsibility MUST fall only upon the transsexual or transgendered person, for there is no realistic way for any other person to truly know what is best to do for them.

For this reason, it is mandatory that the person with gender issues take total responsibility for their own life. It is required that YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE. You must define YOURSELF, and you must do so honestly.

The penalty that nature, that reality itself inflicts on the casual, the unwary, the unconcerned  and the foolish is ABSOLUTE. Sex reassignment is absolutely ONE WAY ONLY, and attempts to reverse the procedure after completion are sad at best. The bottom line is very simple.
 

YOU ONLY GET ONE CHANCE TO CHANGE YOUR SEX
If you make a mistake, if you screw up, if you are wrong, you HAVE to live with the consequences, and no matter what you may feel about it, it could ONLY have been your own choice, it is utterly your OWN RESPONSIBILITY. There is no one else to rationally blame.

This means, of course, that the person who is not entirely sure of what they are is in a special, terrible hell. Time is quickly ticking away their easily mutable youth, and changing them in one direction or another whether they like it or not, and if they act wrongly to solve their misery, they could end up FAR worse off.

Therefore one must act more quickly to come to a better understanding of one's true identity, to come to self understanding, than almost any human being. It is a tall order. The question, is how to do this.

There are many resources for this process, from counselors and therapists to friends and even occasionally family. Nothing can replace the only real method, being willing to face one's own true feelings, which with or without guidance, is a solitary pursuit. You must make the effort to try to face yourself, and NEVER GIVE UP. Only you can ever really know you...though others can often act as mirrors if you are too close to your issues to see them directly. The key to success in self knowledge is to pursue it. Those enslaved to denial and avoidance, who put off and procrastinate, are the souls destined for doom. If you have gender issues that hurt badly enough that they need to be addressed, then you must confront them. Talk about them to those you trust, hang on, pursue, learn, study and focus until you finally can decide who you are and what you want. Putting it off will only make things vastly worse. It is hard work, it is not easy, and it hurts to do this. But remember, it hurts anyway, or you would not be driven by your gender issues. That pain will likely only get worse as the years progress. Regret is terrible, whether for lost time, or for making the wrong choice.
 

THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR KNOWING YOURSELF
The bottom line here is that to figure out what you truly want, you have to stop repressing, denying and hiding, and come Out to yourself. You have to be emotionally willing to accept whatever you may turn out to be. If you do not know what you want, it is because you are disassociated from your own feelings, as a defense mechanism. The only solution is to overcome that which made you deny your feelings. That is done by examining your attitudes and beliefs, questioning them, and dropping the ones that cause you to feel like disassociation is a safe thing. Perhaps you may have internalized homophobia, or religious intolerance of your own condition, or a scolding parental program running in the back of your mind, or fear of rejection, or just plain do not want to face the inevitable pain of dealing with things. Whatever is the cause (or causes, more likely), you must find it and dispose of it. When that is done, then you must start to really feel what you are, want and need.

HALFWAY MEASURES: THINGS YOU CAN DO TO TEST YOURSELF

One excellent way to learn is not theoretical, it is by hands on experience. In the circumstance of discovering gender identity, a supreme tactic is to experiment.

The best experiments would ideally be nonfatal, non-permanent and very revealing. Perhaps the single most effective tool for self knowledge of gender identity, is to experiment with hormones.

To much of the medical establishment this is a bold, or at worst, a precipitous thing to suggest. It is not without some risk, but the risk is fairly small, short term.

Go on hormones for up to six months.

Beyond six months, the effects of hormone therapy start to become permanent, with eight months being the edge of going too far. Within six months, almost all effects, at least of estrogens, are reversible over time. It should be noted that for Female-To-Male transsexuals, testosterone changes are not reversible at all.

Hormone therapy is very revealing. The test procedure very simple. If after several months, you love and prefer how you feel, think and are, then you are probably on the right track, indications are suggestive that this is right for you. If you really don't like how you feel, think and are, if it makes you uncomfortable, disturbed and uneasy, then this is a direct indication that changing your sex is not the best choice.

Hormones affect almost every aspect of your functioning, and simply by noting if the experience is good or bad, you should get some idea of what you really want. Remember though, that what you want could be anything, even some comfortable place Other than Male or Female, so keep an open mind.

Simply quit when you choose. Take responsibility for this.

A less biological test is to simply live in your chosen gender role for a given time. This is often hard to arrange, but a vacation or time off, or other retreat can provide the space to experiment. If you are brave enough, or passable enough to do so openly, then do so.

If it is awful, it is not right. If it is good, it is.

THE THINGS I DID

Things that helped me to know myself included the horrifying realization that I was gradually developing adult sex characteristics, the careful use of psychoactives to destroy my inner inhibitions and barriers, direct life-or-death confrontation with my problem, and on a more gentle side, the effects of movies and stories.

I paid attention to the things that made me cry and feel powerful emotions and used those to help me uncover my own repressed desires. By pursuing my own obsessions and fascinations, while at the same time making sure that I observed my own feelings while doing them, I gradually broke down my own internal barriers. I experimented with my issues and made note of what made me the happiest. I kept a diary and used it to total up my own actions to gain a perspective over time. I sought out the stories and ideas of others who had already done what I imagined I wanted to do.

But in the end, I dared to take total responsibility for my own life, made a choice, and resolved to accept the consequences with honor and courage. Ultimately, that is all you can ever do. 

Transsexual and Transgendered people can and do live happy, rewarding lives, all the better for having faced their own issues and winning through.

I know, because I have done so, and so have my many successful transsexual and transgendered friends.

Of course you can, too. You just have to be willing to be courageous, responsible, and intelligent. Gambatte !"UNQUOTE




tinkerbell
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Melissa

Quote from: Tinkerbell on August 13, 2006, 01:11:40 PM
But in the end, I dared to take total responsibility for my own life, made a choice, and resolved to accept the consequences with honor and courage. Ultimately, that is all you can ever do. 
I have to completely agree with this statement.  That is exactly how I started my transition.  It didn't take me long to come to this, but I knew what I was doing and was willing to accept any consequences.  I am happy I did.

Melissa
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Sheila

Tinkerbell,
  I liked that article. I had a breakdown and a suicide attempt when I decided that it had to come out or I was going to die. I couldn't hold it in any longer. I was a pressure cooker waiting to explode and I almost did. What a relief it was to just talk to someone about my deep dark secret that no one knew about. I knew all the consequences of coming out and I knew that I could lose everything. I was OK with that. I was hoping that it didn't happen. I guess my prayers were answered as I have the best family a person could ever ask for. They all accepted me, except for one. I did lose a few aquaitenances but like someone told me their loss. I'm happy now and I love life. I still have a low self esteem problem, but I'm working on it. I guess the problem there is that I'm 57 and I don't look like Brittainy Spears. LOL
Sheila
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Jessica

Steph
QuotePersonally I believe that if you are a transsexual then you must, and will transition no matter what or die trying.  A transsexual would not doubt this or not transition because of fear, or the the fear of regret.  I believe that to not transition would be a death sentence to a transsexual, as that person would be condemned to live their life of misery.

Steph, I've been reading your posts for a year and usually you give INCREDIBLY insightful advice.

All I have to say regarding this advice is, you knew you were a TS when you were young. You went into denial and tried to live your life as a male for what 40? 45? years.

You didn't transition for precisely the reasons you listed in your quote, and yet you are still TS and would have been considered TS had you gone into therapy at 30, right?
So, why didn't you transition when you were 18? 25? 30? prior to when you did?
Fear?
Regret?
Shame?

... The same reasons you listed above.

And yet, you still would be considered TS, even when you were in denial

Have you come so far that you have forgotten what it was like?

Jessica
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