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What do you say 2 people who do not understand why YOU would want to transition?

Started by ChrissyRyan, January 26, 2019, 09:22:00 AM

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Michelle_P

There is a category of folks who do want to be polite, but really have trouble accepting our reality.  Many insist on believing that "Transgender" means a man pretending to be a woman, and insisting that all go along with their little game.  This is naturally incredibly frustrating.

I do occasionally point them to information correcting their misconceptions, but I am weary of having to bare my sould to others on demand.  That really isn't our task.  We can encourage others to look at sources of information and educate themselves, but exposing ourselves to potentially damaging situations is definitely NOT something we are obligated to do.

https://michellepaquette.blogspot.com/2019/01/how-can-i-learn-if-you-wont-teach-me.html

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Ryuichi13

I haven't read any other responses, since I want to give an honest answer.

I transitioned because I was miserable with who I was pretending to be.  As an AFAB, I was born with a severe birth defect, and now I'm doing something to fix it.  I should have been born male, being called a tomboy my entire life by my family wasn't enough, I needed to be male in order to finally feel happy with my body, and myself. 

One of my biggest fears is dying and being buried as the wrong gender, forever thought of as female.  Not happening now, especially since I'm recognized by the US Federal Government as being male.  YAY! 

How I explain it to cis people is, "imagine one day, you wake up in the body of someone of the opposite gender.  You know you're X gender, but everyone calls you by the wrong name, and the wrong pronouns.  Your social roles change, you're treated differently than you feel you should be, and everything is just wrong.  What would you do in that situation?" 

I actually had a cis woman tell me "you need Jesus."  I'm Pagan and Proud, thankyouverymuch!  [emoji14]

Forever feeling "like you were born in the wrong body" is just not something that I feel that most people can ever understand.  Its a craptastic feeling, IMVHO, the worst in the world!  Feeling suicidal for being born the wrong gender sucks.

Even though it took me way too long to find out I can transition and become the gender I should have been born as, it thrills me to pieces that I can fix this severe birth defect!

Ryuichi

P.S.  OOPS!  Looks like I'm in the wrong discussion section again!  But the FTM section is pretty quiet these days, so I hope you ladies don't mind me hanging out here every now and then.

Either way, sorry not sorry that my answer to the OP still remains the same.

Ryu


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ChrissyRyan

Quote from: Ryuichi13 on January 30, 2019, 02:55:46 AM
I haven't read any other responses, since I want to give an honest answer.

I transitioned because I was miserable with who I was pretending to be.  As an AFAB, I was born with a severe birth defect, and now I'm doing something to fix it.  I should have been born male, being called a tomboy my entire life by my family wasn't enough, I needed to be male in order to finally feel happy with my body, and myself. 

One of my biggest fears is dying and being buried as the wrong gender, forever thought of as female.  Not happening now, especially since I'm recognized by the US Federal Government as being male.  YAY! 

How I explain it to cis people is, "imagine one day, you wake up in the body of someone of the opposite gender.  You know you're X gender, but everyone calls you by the wrong name, and the wrong pronouns.  Your social roles change, you're treated differently than you feel you should be, and everything is just wrong.  What would you do in that situation?" 

I actually had a cis woman tell me "you need Jesus."  I'm Pagan and Proud, thankyouverymuch!  [emoji14]

Forever feeling "like you were born in the wrong body" is just not something that I feel that most people can ever understand.  Its a craptastic feeling, IMVHO, the worst in the world!  Feeling suicidal for being born the wrong gender sucks.

Even though it took me way too long to find out I can transition and become the gender I should have been born as, it thrills me to pieces that I can fix this severe birth defect!

Ryuichi

P.S.  OOPS!  Looks like I'm in the wrong discussion section again!  But the FTM section is pretty quiet these days, so I hope you ladies don't mind me hanging out here every now and then.

Either way, sorry not sorry that my answer to the OP still remains the same.

Ryu


Ryuichi,


I welcome you here anytime!    :)

Chrissy
Always stay cheerful, be polite, kind, and understanding. Accepting yourself as the woman you are is very liberating.  Never underestimate the appreciation and respect of authenticity.  Help connect a person to someone that may be able to help that person.  Be brave, be strong.  A TRUE friend is a treasure.  Relationships are very important, people are important, and the sooner we all realize that the better off the world will be.  Try a little kindness.  Be generous with your time, energy, wisdom, and resources.   Inconvenience yourself to help someone.   I am a brown eyed, brown haired woman. 
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Linde

Quote from: Ryuichi13 on January 30, 2019, 02:55:46 AM


P.S.  OOPS!  Looks like I'm in the wrong discussion section again!  But the FTM section is pretty quiet these days, so I hope you ladies don't mind me hanging out here every now and then.

Either way, sorry not sorry that my answer to the OP still remains the same.

Ryu
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Michelle_P

Earth my body, water my blood, air my breath and fire my spirit.

My personal transition path included medical changes.  The path others take may require no medical intervention, or different care.  We each find our own path. I provide these dates for the curious.
Electrolysis - Hours in The Chair: 238 (8.5 were preparing for GCS, five clearings); On estradiol patch June 2016; Full-time Oct 22, 2016; GCS Oct 20, 2017; FFS Aug 28, 2018; Stage 2 labiaplasty revision and BA Feb 26, 2019
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Katie

Having gone through the process I learned that as the song goes My give a dam is busted. I just decided to do my own thing and forget what the rest felt.......
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Ryuichi13

Quote from: Katie on January 31, 2019, 07:28:58 AM
Having gone through the process I learned that as the song goes My give a dam is busted. I just decided to do my own thing and forget what the rest felt.......

Sounds about right!  :D

But there are those that ask still, so my previous post *points up* explains what I tell them when they ask.

Ryuichi


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ChrissyRyan

I have learned to say, very nicely, that I am doing this because transitioning helps me to be myself.  I also say that it is not easy to transition.   

Chrissy
Always stay cheerful, be polite, kind, and understanding. Accepting yourself as the woman you are is very liberating.  Never underestimate the appreciation and respect of authenticity.  Help connect a person to someone that may be able to help that person.  Be brave, be strong.  A TRUE friend is a treasure.  Relationships are very important, people are important, and the sooner we all realize that the better off the world will be.  Try a little kindness.  Be generous with your time, energy, wisdom, and resources.   Inconvenience yourself to help someone.   I am a brown eyed, brown haired woman. 
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ChrissyRyan

Quote from: ChrissyRyan on March 05, 2019, 03:51:38 PM
I have learned to say, very nicely, that I am doing this because transitioning helps me to be myself.  I also say that it is not easy to transition.   

Chrissy


I do think it is best to simply smile and be friendly with responses but I will not definitively answer "insensitive" questions or matters that are none of anyone's business.  Nor do I expect anyone to all the sudden to become supportive because of what I say to them.  I do hope that they would believe that I think that my life is better overall after me accepting who I am but if they do not, so be it.  There are some things that are simply out of your control. 

Wouldn't be nice to live your life as if you have always been a cis-woman in your community? 
We'd have the same good and bad issues as cis-women have to deal with, but not the tough trans-related ones.

Hugs,

Chrissy
Always stay cheerful, be polite, kind, and understanding. Accepting yourself as the woman you are is very liberating.  Never underestimate the appreciation and respect of authenticity.  Help connect a person to someone that may be able to help that person.  Be brave, be strong.  A TRUE friend is a treasure.  Relationships are very important, people are important, and the sooner we all realize that the better off the world will be.  Try a little kindness.  Be generous with your time, energy, wisdom, and resources.   Inconvenience yourself to help someone.   I am a brown eyed, brown haired woman. 
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Allie Jayne

My wife asked me why I wanted to be a woman, and I told her it wasn't a matter of 'wanting'. I want to be normal, (well, young and rich would be nice also), but that was denied to me, so I have to deal with who I actually am. So many people believe this is a life we choose, and so question our judgement. It took my wife a while to see that accepting and managing my ->-bleeped-<- was a necessity for my physical and mental health.

I would invest time in explaining my situation to loved ones, close friends, and co workers, but I would simply and nicely  advise casual acquaintances to google it!

Allie
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ChrissyRyan

I have settled on saying that this lets me be my authentic self.

Some people will think that is odd; but, so be it.


Hugs,

Chrissy
Always stay cheerful, be polite, kind, and understanding. Accepting yourself as the woman you are is very liberating.  Never underestimate the appreciation and respect of authenticity.  Help connect a person to someone that may be able to help that person.  Be brave, be strong.  A TRUE friend is a treasure.  Relationships are very important, people are important, and the sooner we all realize that the better off the world will be.  Try a little kindness.  Be generous with your time, energy, wisdom, and resources.   Inconvenience yourself to help someone.   I am a brown eyed, brown haired woman. 
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Sephirah

Quote from: ChrissyRyan on January 26, 2019, 09:22:00 AMWhat do you say to people who do not understand why YOU would want to transition?

I just say, simply: "It's okay, I don't expect you to understand. All I would like is for you to respect me enough to accept that I understand why I would want to transition. If you can do that, then fantastic. <3"

There's a quote I tend to live by, from Edward Koch: "I can explain it to you, but I can't comprehend it for you."

Or, as Morpheus would say: "I can only show you the door. You are the one who must walk through it."

There will be people who never understand. There will be people who understand immediately. And everything in-between. The important thing is, you don't need to get people to one place or another. That's something they can only really do for themselves. As long as they get that you understand what you're doing... that's all there needs to be.
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Lori Dee

Yes, it is very difficult for someone who does not experience dysphoria to understand what it is like. I was just in a similar conversation the other night. He described himself as an Alpha male and said he can read a room easily and know that he is in fact the alpha.

I told him that it was good that he knows who he is and has no doubts about it. We experience the same thing. But imagine knowing this as well as you do, but the person looking back at you in the mirror is not the person that you know that you are. Try to comprehend what that might be like, then you are beginning to understand.
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Sephirah

Quote from: Lori Dee on August 13, 2024, 03:36:40 PMI told him that it was good that he knows who he is and has no doubts about it. We experience the same thing. But imagine knowing this as well as you do, but the person looking back at you in the mirror is not the person that you know that you are. Try to comprehend what that might be like, then you are beginning to understand.

I like this. Relating something to how someone already feels about themselves is a good way to go. It gives context.
Natura nihil frustra facit.

"You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection." ~ Buddha.

If you're dealing with self esteem issues, maybe click here. There may be something you find useful. :)
Above all... remember: you are beautiful, you are valuable, and you have a shining spark of magnificence within you. Don't let anyone take that from you. Embrace who you are. <3

gwenf369

Chrissy,

I have told some people that I am correcting a birth defect.

Gwen

ChrissyRyan

Always stay cheerful, be polite, kind, and understanding. Accepting yourself as the woman you are is very liberating.  Never underestimate the appreciation and respect of authenticity.  Help connect a person to someone that may be able to help that person.  Be brave, be strong.  A TRUE friend is a treasure.  Relationships are very important, people are important, and the sooner we all realize that the better off the world will be.  Try a little kindness.  Be generous with your time, energy, wisdom, and resources.   Inconvenience yourself to help someone.   I am a brown eyed, brown haired woman. 

Sarah B

Hi Everyone

Unfortunately I would not really know how to answer any of those questions.  Simply for the fact I have never been asked those questions and the reason being, I have never told anyone about myself.  Some family have asked me questions but nothing like the ones listed.  When I was telling them my story, I was obviously answering their questions before they had a chance to.

Fit in?  Authentic Self?  Choice?  Well I certainly did it to fit into the group that I belonged to and that was the binary world of male and female. When I did, I just remained being myself or authentic self, I did not change who I was.  Choice, one would say that one does not have a choice in this matter and technically they would be correct.  Nature or the environment stuffed up and there's nothing one can do about it.  If there was I would still remain a female regardless. 

However, I never knew at the time that I changed my life around that nature or the environment (mum taking pills). That this was the case.  So when I did change, I chose to be a female, I wanted to be a female and I longed to be a female.  So at the time I chose to be who I wanted to be, it was my choice and I have never regretted it.

So I'm being who I want to be.

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Sarah B

Hi Everyone

Assuming some stranger comes up and asks me those questions.  I would answer them in the following way.

1.  Oh, you are so handsome (or for ftms, I guess they might say that you are so pretty), why in the world would you do this?"  "You are good looking, you would be silly trying to be a woman, and besides, it makes no sense."

A. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and there are a lot more people who are more pretty than me.  I want to do this because I want to. No, I not good looking, I'm beautiful.  How would you know I would look silly?  No it does not make sense to you, but it does to me.

2.  "Have you been under a lot of stress?  Have you sought counseling to deal with this mental problem of wanting to be the other sex?  Do you have multiple personalities?"

A. No I have never been under stress, what makes you say that?  Do you know something I don't?  No I never sought counselling, except when I had to go to get my surgery letters.  Once I got those I have never seen another 'therapist ever again.  Not that I'm aware of, I only talk to me, myself and I.  However, some days I'm happy and some days I'm not, but then again I'm sure you are happy and sad sometimes.

3.  "You might be gay and this is a way for you to think that you are straight after all."

A. No I'm not gay, never have been and never will be.  One moment, let me ask myself again. "Am I gay Sarah?" No, you are not Sarah.  You definitely go that right, I was straight as die, before and after surgery.

4.  "Perhaps you can simply be a more feminine man (or I suppose, for ftms, they might say that you can be a 'tomboy'), after all, it is freaky for anyone to be the sex other than the one you were born."

A. I was never a man in the first place, I'm not freaky, just another human, going about their daily life.  Have you ever tried being the other sex than you was born with?

5.  "Why do you want to do this?  Do you think you are a woman?  When did these thoughts begin?"

A. Because I want to.  Better still what is the answer to life the universe and everything?  When you know the answer to this question then you will know why I want to do this.  I was very young when I first had the thoughts of wanting to be a girl.

6.  "Maybe you just want to wear women's clothes.  Is this a fetish?"

A. I wear womens's clothes because I'm a female.  Who wants to wear grey clothes, flannel shirts and ripped, saggy jeans all the time?  Boring if you ask me.  Not that I know of, females wearing female clothes is not a fetish the last time I heard.

7.  "Hey, society is just down on males now.  It is like it is bad to be a guy.  Just try to be a decent man, ignore all that silliness.  We need both men and women, there is nothing wrong with being a man.  Just be a good man."

A. So what if society is down on males, its societies problem to resolve.  I'm sure they will sort it out sometime.  There isn't anything wrong with being a man or women so deal with it.

8.  "You will get beat up at some point if you transition.  There are going to be some people that will taunt you and try to make your life miserable." 

A. No I was never beaten up or taunted, nobody knew I was changing my life around.  If somebody beats you up, in todays society, it means jail time.

9.  "You will not be able to get a good job.  You will have no employment history.  It is like your past did not exist.  Besides, who wants a guy to show up at work dressed as a woman?  It would be easier to get a job if you are simply gay.  Maybe you are gay and are in denial."

A. I was working the day I changed my life around virtually, have you ever heard of the black swan theory?  I guess not as there are exceptions to some rules.  I had employment history, but I was vetted by an employment agency and the employer just hired me under contract.  I don't know who would not like to see any men come to work in a dress, do you know who they are?

10. "How are you ever going to sound like a woman, did you ever think about that?"

A. I have a list of females as long as my arm in 6pt that have deeper voices than mine, so what's your problem?

11. "Are you going to get your thing cut off too?"

A. No, I'm turning my outie into an innie.

12. "What have you been smoking?"

A. Nothing, I don't smoke.  You must be smoking something as you are asking such rude and dumb questions.

13. "Were you abused as child, is that why you are thinking this way?"

A. No, I was never abused.  Disciplined, yes.

14. "This is simply unnatural.  You can't fool Mother Nature."

A. Who said it's unnatural?  Who is mother nature or father nature as a matter of fact?  They are not going to dictate to me what I can or can not do.

15. "As you age, you will look sillier."

A. So you say, it really depends on ones mental faculties and the rate you are asking these questions you certainly are looking sillier as time passes.

16. "Life will not be the same for you.  Can you handle that?"

A. Of course it's going to be different and I'm looking forward to it changing.

17. "No one would marry you unless they are equally confused.  Maybe if they are gay or perverts.  Few would even want to date you."   

A. I would never want to marry a confused, gay or pervert person.  How about you?

18. "What you want to do is wrong."

A. I don't care whether you think it is right or wrong, did I say I don't care?

19. "This is just a phase probably.  Give this some time.  Sit on these thoughts.  Maybe these thoughts will go away."

A. Just a phase?  Thats funny its been 35 years and counting, it must be one of the longest phases of my life, so I guess you must realise that I have given it some thought.  Nothing has changed in all that time.

20.  "This impacts more people in your life than just you.  You are being incredibly selfish if you go through with this.  If you are married, I doubt your wife would stay with you.  Your friends, customers, and relatives will disown you.  Maybe a few would be accepting.  You will give up a lot."

A. Who does it impact exactly?  How can I be selfish if I did something for myself.  I have no wife so thats not a problem for me.  If others have a problem with what I have done then that's their problem not mine.

21.  Are you going to move away and start a new life?  You might have to."

A. I actually did move away from friends and family.  I did not want the reprucussions of what I was doing to be reflected upon them.  In doing so, I achieved more than I ever thought possible.  Luckly for me my family found out and they accepted me.

22.  "I love you, but this is a terrible idea. (for some of these reasons noted above.)"

A. I love you too, not!  That's your opinion and I don't care if you think it's a terrible idea.  For me it was the best thing, idea that I have ever had.

Talk about putting people in their right place.  ;D  ::)

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Sarah B
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Iztaccihuatl

Quote from: Sarah B on August 14, 2024, 12:09:53 AMBecause I want to.  Better still what is the answer to life the universe and everything?  When you know the answer to this question then you will know why I want to do this.  I was very young when I first had the thoughts of wanting to be a girl.

According to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything is: 42.  ;D

Sarah B

Hi Everyone

You are right Iztaccihuatl, "The answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything" is of course 42.  However, the question is why 42?

Well in computer programming 42 is represented by the character '*' and the '*' represents the wild card or what ever the user would like the '*' to be.  This is why 'Deep Thought' gave the answer of 42.  This leaves the symbolic meaning of 42 as the answer to life, the universe and everything, is anything the user would like it to be.

So answering their question with 42, my answer could be anything and still they would not understand.

Now I heard somewhere that 6 x 7 is . . .

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