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Why didn't you have a wife?

Started by Berliegh, April 25, 2008, 07:06:22 AM

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annajasmine

I well for reason for being in only one relationship(very close friendship)  whether wife,boyfriend, girlfriend, whatever I have very poor self esteem and self image. Really I only can get so close to a person before getting paranoid and ruin it. I do want a family but I afraid it would be impossible to have it the way I wanted a family. That dream is pretty much dead for me.

Anna
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louise000

Let's not end this debate on such a sour note. I have corresponded with Kim (Berleigh) on several occasions and I can tell you all that she is one of the most openly honest people - she has sometimes been in trouble for being forthright in her opinions. I'm sure she's not trying to place herself on higher ground because she didn't marry, just wanting to see if there are any others on this board who like her have avoided marriage.

In my case I accepted that I was 'different' - heaven knows plenty of people let me know that at school. But it was a reluctant acceptance because like any young person I didn't want to be seen as different, even though I desperately wanted to be like the girls. I knew my relatives, who loved me dearly, would have been appalled had they known my inner feelings and once I reached school leaving age I tried hard to make them proud of me by conforming to what I thought they expected of me. Moreover I was sick of being bullied and taunted by the boys. Eventually I met a girl who, as always, was someone I was attracted to because I wanted to be like her, not because I wanted to have mad passionate sex. We married and it was a disaster, so what did I do? I did the same thing again with another woman , vowing that I would make it work this time. And that's where I'm at now. Still desperately wanting to be Louise full time, but knowing that to do so will ruin another person's life and will leave me homeless and probably penniless. Apart from which I don't think I could make it in real life as a passable woman at my age. I'm not after sympathy by the way, just telling everyone how it is for me.

I think I've probably told Kim my story anyway, but there it is for anyone else who's interested.
Louise
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KarenLyn

Quote from: Nichole on April 25, 2008, 11:15:51 AM
Actually, Berleigh, I imagine that you and others who never married are just more 'real' or 'moral' than those of us who did.

That does always seem to be an angle lurking in that question.

But, I wouldn't give up my very 'real' children for all the estrogen in the world.

N~

I don't consider us any less "real" or "moral" than those who didn't marry. I thought I was stuck living as a man and did what I thought was expected of me. I have a wonderful daughter and wouldn't change a thing except for getting a lawyer for the divorce.

Karen Lyn
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Natasha

QuoteWhy didn't you have a wife?

i suppose i could have.  little detail though.. i transitioned young & also who on earth would have wanted to marry a "confused" teenager?
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soldierjane

Quote from: Natasha on April 26, 2008, 01:28:56 PM
QuoteWhy didn't you have a wife?

i suppose i could have.  little detail though.. i transitioned young & also who on earth would have wanted to marry a "confused" teenager?


A lot of dirty old men in arranged-marriage societies would have probably welcomed your nubile flesh. Never say never! :P
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Elincubus

Quote from: soldierjane on April 26, 2008, 02:25:07 PM
A lot of dirty old men in arranged-marriage societies would have probably welcomed your nubile flesh. Never say never! :P

I do not think dirty old men would have married her--you overlooked the detail that she was M2F. ;)
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NicholeW.

Quote from: Elincubus on April 26, 2008, 04:27:37 PM
Quote from: soldierjane on April 26, 2008, 02:25:07 PM
A lot of dirty old men in arranged-marriage societies would have probably welcomed your nubile flesh. Never say never! :P

I do not think dirty old men would have married her--you overlooked the detail that she was M2F. ;)

O, trust me, there ARE some 'dirty old men' who would have loved to have married her, but would also have become uninterested after she had her surgery.

And some who would have been interested in paying for her to have had surgery. The world is full of all sorts.

N~
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Case

I am 20 years old, got married after dating my wife for 3 years, and have been married to her for a year now.

Loved her to death throughout our relationship.

The moment I came to terms with my GID, I lost interest in her and our relationship all together.

:-\
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Hypatia

Nichole's wariness of ulterior motives is justified, since I have seen far too often how never-married trans women put down those of us who married. Make themselves out to be superior and even scold us for transitioning after marriage. Even right here in Susan's forums where that sort of putdown is not supposed to be allowed. The other thing is those whose GID isn't so severe and who have canceled their transitions to placate their families, they can be just as cruel toward people like me. Those who don't know what we've been through haven't got a clue how painful it can be. I have been bashed for that so many times I've become extremely sensitive about it and, like Nichole, very wary about it. I have already put two other individuals here on ignore for jabbing me in my most painful sore spot. I expect these forums to be a safe space for our issues, or I would not be here at all.
Here's what I find about compromise--
don't do it if it hurts inside,
'cause either way you're screwed,
eventually you'll find
you may as well feel good;
you may as well have some pride

--Indigo Girls
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soldierjane

Quote from: Elincubus on April 26, 2008, 04:27:37 PM
Quote from: soldierjane on April 26, 2008, 02:25:07 PM
A lot of dirty old men in arranged-marriage societies would have probably welcomed your nubile flesh. Never say never! :P

I do not think dirty old men would have married her--you overlooked the detail that she was M2F. ;)

Oh no, I didn't ;)
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Kate

Quote from: Laura Eva B on April 25, 2008, 08:34:39 PM
Quote from: Tink on April 25, 2008, 07:53:25 PM
Well, in my case it is simple really.  I am a heterosexual woman, and I'm NOT attracted to females. 
Liked girls, but as friends, the idea of being sexual with them as a guy just seemed a totally bizzare idea. 

FWIW, sex wasn't my motivation for getting married.

~Kate~
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tekla

There are several reasons to get married, and people use all of them.  Its not the same for all people.  Its a contract, how and who fulfills it is up to the parties involved.  Its not a moral issue at all, but like most of us who went there found out, a legal issue.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Elincubus

Quote from: soldierjane on April 27, 2008, 08:26:59 AM
Quote from: Elincubus on April 26, 2008, 04:27:37 PM
I do not think dirty old men would have married her--you overlooked the detail that she was M2F. ;)
Oh no, I didn't ;)
To my defence, I have to say that I didn't mean there weren't any dirty old men that would have loved to marry her, but that I do not know any arranged-marriage societies where they could have done so.
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Yvonne

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Elincubus

Quote from: Yvonne on April 27, 2008, 01:28:49 PM
Why do you think? ;) ;)
Well, do you know a arranged marriage society where a man (dirty and old or not ;)) could have married a boy? If you do please tell me, I'm always eager to learn something new.
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Laura Eva B

Think Yvonne was responing to the "headline" question .... not responding to your comment  :)

Can you imagine Yvonne having a wife ?

Laura x
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Yvonne

Quote from: Laura Eva B on April 27, 2008, 02:00:43 PM
Think Yvonne was responing to the "headline" question .... not responding to your comment  :)

Can you imagine Yvonne having a wife ?

Laura x

Lol I can't even imagine it myself :)
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April221

I've been in close contact with myself as a female as far back as I can remember. I was accepted by all of the other girls my age, which resulted in my becoming socialized  as female well into my teen years. Without going into all of the messy details, this had the unfortunate effect of my not gaining the social skills needed to fit into society as a male. I was unable to get help for myself in 1970, and I never married because I was never able to maintain a relationship with a woman for more than a few weeks. Either the relationship would end when the woman just felt that I was "very different," or else the sexual part would end in disaster. Several women actually came out and said that being in bed with me was like being in bed with another woman. Being "read" by another woman in bed was one of the most damaging and painful experiences that I've had.

As a little girl, I wanted to grow up and be a mommy. As an adult, I wanted to stop being April, and I wanted to fit in as a male, marry, and have a typical male life. I have nothing but the greatest of respect and admiration for all of the people on this site, and elsewhere, who faced the same challenges that I did, and were able to make things work. People who were able to make their lives work. I tried, but never could. The absolute self acceptance that I have in myself as a woman may be of great benefit to me now, as I transition, but it contributed to a very unfulfilled, isolated and lonely life. I may have some very worthy accomplishments to be proud of, but my failures are always in the back of my mind. No, I could not be a mommy, but I very much wanted to marry and with that, I never had a chance.
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Butterfly

Quote from: Berliegh on April 25, 2008, 07:06:22 AM
Why didn't you have a wife?

For many reasons.  Sexual reasons being the main one.  It isn't in me to be with a woman in a sexual level.  It's never happened and never will.  ~laugh~ Quite true, marriage's not only about sex but it comes with the package. I still have to meet a couple straight or gay that doesn't have sex particularly if they are married. 
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lisagurl

QuoteI still have to meet a couple straight or gay that doesn't have sex particularly if they are married. 

Statistics tell a different story. 16% of married Americans have not had sex in the last month.
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