Types of andros?  Oh golly gosh, let's not start this over here.  Let's just be happy that in the rainbow of human existance we are all the colors at the same time.  The other option is that we start some sort of 'what kind' which leads to 'what is the right kind' (hint: its me, and not you) debate that has served the TS community less well then the fundy Christians have.

Quote from: tekla on April 28, 2008, 05:19:17 PM
Types of andros?  Oh golly gosh, let's not start this over here.

As long as no one starts talking about "true" androgynes, I think we're safe.

Besides, I never got the Androgyne Wo/Man-ual so I'm just making it all up as I go 

Z

Quote from: Zythyra on April 28, 2008, 05:38:00 PM

Quote from: tekla on April 28, 2008, 05:19:17 PM
Types of andros?  Oh golly gosh, let's not start this over here.

As long as no one starts talking about "true" androgynes, I think we're safe.

Something about low frictional co-efficients and downward inclines springs to mind.

this post deleted because Pica is a stupid arse... see below.

(aah, god sorry nick sister, I accidentally pressed modify on your message instead of quote, wrote my comment on it, saved it. then my computer crashed...I am an idiot, sorry. It was something that provoked some thoughts, sorry I accidently trashed it and all  )

Pica

Quote from: Pica Pica on April 28, 2008, 06:40:28 PM
(aah, god sorry nick sister, I accidentally pressed modify on your message instead of quote, wrote my comment on it, saved it. then my computer crashed...I am an idiot, sorry. It was something that provoked some thoughts, sorry I accidently trashed it and all  )

Pica

What were the thoughts?

No worries. The jist of it was I think we should be an inclusive group rather than and exclusive one - that none of us probably really fit the 'ideal' if there was one. That it is ok to look at our differences, and find commonalities. Otherwise we can end up assuming we are all the same, or we become a box which restricts us. I know I fell into thinking I need an androgynous body when that was not really what I want.

Sounds good.

One of the (or perhaps even just 'the') main things for me is the freedom to disregard gender-based expectations. The times I've really been unhappy about being seen as a man have all been times when people expect me to behave in certain ways just because of that perceived gender. On the other hand, the reason I didn't feel I fit in as a TS was that I want to just get rid of those expectations, not swap them for another set. As an androgyne -- at least as the term is understood here -- I'm more free to do whatever I want to. Of course, the obvious consequence is that others have the same kind of freedom.

  Nfr

I'm Unsure of what i am because my thoughts are always sliding
biological male
70% - 80% female
  5%- 10% male
  5% - 20% other

=
80% - 110% confused

Before I found this site (or herd the term 'androgyne') i had explained it to friends as
You know how Men are from mars & Women are from Venus?
well i'm from Pluto.

I'd like my body to reflect that but I'm also wanting to be accepted, Loved and have a family.

my mum has told me she doesn't want to see me with both makeup & a beard.
if I were to make my outer image identical to my inner image I would be very female + a big bushy beard
but i don't think anyone would accept me as such.

Quote from: Kikly on May 01, 2008, 04:38:01 PM
my mum has told me she doesn't want to see me with both makeup & a beard.
if I were to make my outer image identical to my inner image I would be very female + a big bushy beard
but i don't think anyone would accept me as such.

I think people who appear female look great in beards!!  It probably doesn't help you much with the rest of the world, but I have no problem accepting you, or anyone else, as such.

Z

I'm okay with bearded women too.


(maybe this attitude is what got us thrown into the ghetto)

Hmm...I'm the oblivious type.  Didn't know I was androgyne until I realized that everyone else was different (read: wrong ).  I have no grasp on gender.  I have tried mimicking the women around me, but that was very uncomfortable.  It's a lot easier to just be me.  It will be a lot easier for the rest of you too, so if you will all start acting like me...

Quote from: Rebis on May 01, 2008, 08:04:36 PM

I'm okay with bearded women too.


(maybe this attitude is what got us thrown into the ghetto)

but are the bearded women okay with you?    Of course they are...how could anyone not love our Rebis? 

I'm trying to figure out the same thing.

Very interesting to hear others perspective.

I personally feel that I am female. Having a male body does very very little for me and I have no desire to live this way. Add to the matter that testosterone had really driven me into a state where I could not function (I still have no way to describe this, I always thought that it was not possible until I was able to eliminate much of my testosterone via prescription).

Anyhow, I do like female bodies much more and feel more comfortable being seen as a woman myself. Yet I am very much a tomboy and love wearing fitted suits. I do things that could be stereotypically seen as male (I work in IT to support my wife, I fix my own car, I enjoy the ins of business deals and managing people). As I currently am, I am often very much an androgyne in that I have pink hair in a pony tail, no facial hair, and a very middle of the road body (skinny, and feminine - but missing the appropriate curves for the most part).

Add to this I ultimately care little for what pronouns others use. More often then not I will only specify it when others ask, else I let them use what they wish and do not concern myself with correcting them. I've also met people who consider themselves to be postgender / transhumanists, and I also find this to be interesting as it ties in well with a great deal of my personal feelings.

(reposted due to the db restore).

Quote from: Zythyra on May 01, 2008, 05:27:37 PM

Quote from: Kikly on May 01, 2008, 04:38:01 PM
my mum has told me she doesn't want to see me with both makeup & a beard.
if I were to make my outer image identical to my inner image I would be very female + a big bushy beard
but i don't think anyone would accept me as such.

I think people who appear female look great in beards!!  It probably doesn't help you much with the rest of the world, but I have no problem accepting you, or anyone else, as such.

Z

thanks Z its good to know that some people will accept me but I'd like someone who the world sees as 'normal' (whatever that means)
to accept me

I've only seen 2 bearded females both on TV 1 on a variety comedy show she was a dancer and took her beard off at the end of her performance.
the other in the movie spaceballs
"who r u?"
"I'm the bearded lady what r u, 1 of the freaks?"

Quote from: Kikly on May 03, 2008, 05:40:56 PM
thanks Z its good to know that some people will accept me but I'd like someone who the world sees as 'normal' (whatever that means)
to accept me

I've only seen 2 bearded females both on TV 1 on a variety comedy show she was a dancer and took her beard off at the end of her performance.
the other in the movie spaceballs
"who r u?"
"I'm the bearded lady what r u, 1 of the freaks?"

Kikly, check out Jennifer Miller!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Miller

Jennifer Miller
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jennifer Miller (born 1961) is an American circus entertainer, writer, and professor in the UCLA Department of World Arts and Cultures. She is a bearded woman, juggler, and fire eater. Miller lives in New York City.

Miller is the youngest daughter of two Jewish-turned-Quaker professors and she grew up in Connecticut and California. Miller became involved in the performing arts and theater while in high school, and was involved in the downtown dance scene in New York in the early 1980s. In her career as a performing artist, which has spanned over 20 years, she has performed with numerous choreographers and dancers, several circus companies, and in the Coney Island SideShow.

In 1989, she founded the acclaimed NYC political performance troupe Circus Amok and has directed it ever since. She was also a focus of Tami Gold's documentary Juggling Gender and Circus Amok has been the subject of numerous documentary films. Miller is widely recognized for her work and is the recipient of awards including the Obie, Bessie, BAX 10, and most recently the Ethyl Eichelberger Award. She teaches in New York and California at several universities including UCLA, Cal Arts, Scripps College, NYU and Pratt Institute.

I went and saw an exhibition, Assume Nothing, by Rebecca Swan at my local gallery. There was a picture of a bearded lady in it (see below): I think this persons name is Mani Bruce Mitchel.




The exhibition was fantastic - actually I think I will make a new topic on it...

Hey Nikki, I'm not seeing the beard in the pic. 

Quote from: Nero on May 04, 2008, 04:19:54 PM
Hey Nikki, I'm not seeing the beard in the pic. 

Yeah, not that obvious  It was really obvious in the big blown up version - but it was a wispy beard and not a full on cave man styles.

the beard in pick from nick is very light/thin and is hardly seen,
the Jennifer miller link is closer to my beard at the moment but life outside of a freak show might not work
thanks for the pics & link NickSister & Zythyra

Quote from: Kikly on May 04, 2008, 04:55:16 PM
the beard in pick from nick is very light/thin and is hardly seen,
the Jennifer miller link is closer to my beard at the moment but life outside of a freak show might not work
thanks for the pics & link NickSister & Zythyra

Before I shaved it off, my beard used to be somewhere between Jennifer Miller's and pic from Nicksister. I wouldn't mind having a goatee, but like you Kikly, don't see myself as having much of a future as a circus performer. 

Z