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TS Admirers - What makes 'em tick?

Started by HelenW, May 29, 2007, 08:08:20 PM

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Gracie Faise

closeted homosexuals make up a good portion of them. Usually very secretive and possessive, sometimes abusive. Other's it is just fulfilling a fantasy or fetish. Some are trans themselves and are tryingto live their dreams through you.
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RebeccaFog

Quote from: Tink on July 28, 2008, 08:27:52 PM
What is a TS supposedly being "admired" for? 

tink :icon_chick:
The broad jump?   ::)
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NicholeW.

The broad jump?

O, Rebis. That was terrible, even for you!!

Nichole
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RebeccaFog

I surprised myself.  I was just trying to think of an olympic sport which people get admired for doing, and then, it hit me.   >:D
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NicholeW.

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tinkerbell

Quote from: Rebis on July 30, 2008, 02:24:52 PM
The broad jump?   ::)

Too funny!  :P

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And by the way, this is not directed at anyone in particular, alright?

Quote from: Tink on July 28, 2008, 08:27:52 PM
What is a TS supposedly being "admired" for?


The fact that I "act" or "look like" a female?  Well, duh, of course I behave and look like a female! so does the majority of women!  Could it be that these ->-bleeped-<- admirers/->-bleeped-<-s (and incidentally, to me the two terms mean exactly the same thing) see *me* as something "other" than female?

Well, heck, I don't know how that can be a good thing at all.  As a matter of fact it is demeaning and extremely insulting.  I don't want to be considered  "exceptional*, "special". or "ultra-anything" simply because my anatomy and mind didn't match when I was born.  I'm NOT a "rarity" in any possible way.  I am not "more or less' than anything. I am just a woman like the zillions of others who roam the earth.  So get used ot it, world, and stop looking at me as if I were an "oddity"  Period!

tink :icon_chick:
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NicholeW.

Quote from: Tink on July 30, 2008, 07:15:55 PM
Quote from: Rebis on July 30, 2008, 02:24:52 PM
The broad jump?   ::)

Too funny!  :P

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*MY perspective*

And by the way, this is not directed at anyone in particular, alright?

Quote from: Tink on July 28, 2008, 08:27:52 PM
What is a TS supposedly being "admired" for?


The fact that I "act" or "look like" a female?  Well, duh, of course I behave and look like a female! so does the majority of women!  Could it be that these ->-bleeped-<- admirers/->-bleeped-<-s (and incidentally, to me the two terms mean exactly the same thing) see *me* as something "other" than female?

Well, heck, I don't know how that can be a good thing at all.  As a matter of fact it is demeaning and extremely insulting.  I don't want to be considered  "exceptional*, "special". or "ultra-anything" simply because my anatomy and mind didn't match when I was born.  I'm NOT a "rarity" in any possible way.  I am not "more or less' than anything. I am just a woman like the zillions of others who roam the earth.  So get used ot it, world, and stop looking at me as if I were an "oddity"  Period!

tink :icon_chick:

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YES!!!! .


Nichole

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RebeccaFog

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NicholeW.

Yep, Rebis, that one was good enough for posting in her locked thread of worthy quotes.

Nichole
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Lisbeth

Quote from: Tink on July 30, 2008, 07:15:55 PM
The fact that I "act" or "look like" a female?  Well, duh, of course I behave and look like a female! so does the majority of women!  Could it be that these ->-bleeped-<- admirers/->-bleeped-<-s (and incidentally, to me the two terms mean exactly the same thing) see *me* as something "other" than female?

Well, heck, I don't know how that can be a good thing at all.  As a matter of fact it is demeaning and extremely insulting.  I don't want to be considered  "exceptional*, "special". or "ultra-anything" simply because my anatomy and mind didn't match when I was born.  I'm NOT a "rarity" in any possible way.  I am not "more or less' than anything. I am just a woman like the zillions of others who roam the earth.  So get used ot it, world, and stop looking at me as if I were an "oddity"  Period!

tink :icon_chick:

Oo!  I have to confess that reading that brought me a lot of pain.  But properly responding to it would involve saying things that are probably not my place to say.  All I feel free to say is that either love will transcend that or you're not really in love.  :icon_cry2:
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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Kate

Quote from: Tink on July 30, 2008, 07:15:55 PM
I'm NOT a "rarity" in any possible way.  I am not "more or less' than anything. I am just a woman like the zillions of others who roam the earth.

I know what you mean... and yet... and yet... truth be told, I'm NOT like the zillion other women out there. I AM a rarity in many ways. The things I've experienced, the things I've felt and seen and done... aren't anything a "typical woman" has ever experienced.

So I dunno, I'm kinda beginning to make peace with all that. I'm not saying I "identify as trans" or anything like that, but I can't deny that my past was unusual, and that it's part of who I am now. Now, if someone wanted me JUST because of that past... as a type of "fetish" where *I* don't matter, and it's just a sexual kink thing... then ICK.

But if someone simply appreciated my unusual past as being interesting, an extra "edge" or "value added bonus," lol... sorta like admiring someone who's traveled the world or something... then is that so bad?

I just don't want to get caught up in "proving that I'm a real woman" to myself by denying my male past, ya know? Just because someone knows of my past... and appreciates the diversity and expanded viewpoint it allows me... doesn't mean I'm less ME to them. I hope, lol, I mean whada I know? All hypothetical for me...

~Kate~
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Mister

This post probably isn't going to make me very popular around here.  It's not intended to be 100% PC, be sensitive to the nuances of everyone's individual identities or even be anything more than a typed version of what's been whizzing around in my head on this topic since I first read it. 

Maybe this whole ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<- thing is different for FTMs v. MTFs.

For you post-op ladies, you're entirely right.  Someone wanting you for your trans status is slightly odd, considering your bodies are 100% congruent with your gender identity and presentation.  Sure, you might be taller or broader than you'd like thanks to missing out on female puberty when it generally occurs, but for argument's sake, you're physically female.  Completely, totally and unmistakably.  And your bottom surgeries are gorgeous!  The few that I've seen are just plain impressive.  Realistically, I'd find it EXTREMELY hard to believe that anyone would guess your genitals weren't natal.  A ->-bleeped-<- wanting to date no one but post-op transwomen seems odd to me, simply for the fact that you are physically, emotionally and mentally female.  In your case, no, there is no 'difference' between you and a biological female.  I'm not talking socialization or other semantics- I'm strictly talking about bodies here.

For the pre-op gals, maybe it isn't repressed homosexuality in those who chase you.  Maybe these people (typically men) are completely respecting of your female identity, could live without the 'dangly bits' and are just huge fans of anal sex?  Because let's be honest, as much as I like to call what's in my pants right now a penis, it's a clitoris that's enlarged from hormone use.  So if you're having penetrative sex it's not in your vagina, even if that's what you'd prefer to call it.  So...  what's wrong with some dude who's into women and anal sex finding some sort of Utopia in a transwoman?  I can see how it could be construed as creepy, but it seems to me that'd be a case-by-case basis.

And from an FTM point of view, our bottom surgery sucks.  Let's say I had $80k to spend on a phalloplasty.  Let's also say that it (miraculously) came out looking like a biological penis, I had no problems with my urethral lengthening, got myself some testicular implants and a vaginectomy.  In other words, the works.  I'd still have to pump up my erection manually.  And I'd still be missing something extremely obvious- ejaculation.  So as much as we'd like to think we can sexually function as 100% male, we can't.  I know my lady has slept with cisgendered men, but I don't find it constructive to ask if she'd *prefer* I had a fully functioning penis.  And since there's no hope on the horizon for getting one, I am completely and totally cool dating a ->-bleeped-<-.  Because really, we are physically different from biological men and probably will have no choice but to be for a while to come.

I hope that made sense.  Oh, and to the moderators- I did my best to use words like 'vagina' and 'testicles' in this blog as casually as I'd speak of my big toe.  I'd appreciate if the anatomical references not be censored or altered anyway as they're not being used as sexual language.
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Blanche

Quote from: Mister on July 31, 2008, 02:33:56 PM
Maybe this whole ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<- thing is different for FTMs v. MTFs.

It's got to be different.  I've heard trans-->-bleeped-<-s are men that are only after pre-operational gals. Quite an interesting subject & one that requires to understand how a trans-->-bleeped-<- thinks & why he does what he does.

Being the devil's advocate I usually am :laugh:  here:

http://www.reneereyes.com/Webdocs/mtrelations.htm

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NicholeW.

I can only speak for me among the mods, Mister. But "penis" and "vagina" are not normally moderated. Your post was good as well. Have to admit from your intro I was worried about what I was gonna read.

Having read it. It gets a rep point. Excellently done.

:)

Nichole
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Mister

Quote from: Nichole on July 31, 2008, 02:44:06 PM
I can only speak for me among the mods, Mister. But "penis" and "vagina" are not normally moderated. Your post was good as well. Have to admit from your intro I was worried about what I was gonna read.

Having read it. It gets a rep point. Excellently done.

:)

Nichole

Thanks for both the info and the rep. :)

Posted on: July 31, 2008, 01:01:10 PM
Quote from: Blanche on July 31, 2008, 02:42:48 PM
Quote from: Mister on July 31, 2008, 02:33:56 PM
Maybe this whole ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<- thing is different for FTMs v. MTFs.

It's got to be different.  I've heard trans-->-bleeped-<-s are men that are only after pre-operational gals. Quite an interesting subject & one that requires to understand how a trans-->-bleeped-<- thinks & why he does what he does.

Being the devil's advocate I usually am :laugh:  here:

http://www.reneereyes.com/Webdocs/mtrelations.htm


That site wins the most quotes on a single page award.
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sarahb

I used to often go to these "trans" nights at clubs and stuff since I still felt more comfortable in those places. From my experience, however, I quickly got tired of it as there were many a ->-bleeped-<- at those places. Only occasionally did I meet a guy who I could genuinely have a conversation with without any assumptions being made about me or where the night would lead. Most of the time though they were the same old ->-bleeped-<- who seemed to be about one thing, the girl with something "a little extra" which I got asked quite a few times.

In my personal experience it always had to do with sex and probably the thought of the thrill of being with a girl with the anatomy of a guy. This is, however, probably due to the environment that I was in. I can't really expect any other type of guy to go there unless they were looking for a particular thing. I think the general consensus though was that they did still think of themselves as heterosexual (which they should), since I never got anyone who said anything like wanting to be with a man who looks like a woman. They always treated me as a lady. I never ever did anything with them so I don't know any information as far as what they preferred in bed (taking or being taken).

I never go to those places anymore since now I feel more comfortable in regular clubs and bars (when I actually go out).
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Hypatia

That was an excellent contribution, Mister. From what I can see, the whole dynamic is very different-- with male ->-bleeped-<-s of MTF identifying as straight, while female ->-bleeped-<-s of FTM are usually openly queer, and the FTM's relationship with women so often emerging from a lesbian milieu, and to some extent remaining within the lesbian ambit. Margaret Cho is an outspoken queer woman and a well-known admirer of FTM boys. I had a friend who was a riotgrrrl sort of poet, and when I met her she had a relationship with an FTM guy-- she also dated women-- and she says about herself: "I'm not gay, lesbian, bi, straight, or any of those things. I'm just queer, that's all."

I dated a T-man too, and he totally treated me like a lady, he was such a gentleman to me. <sigh> I don't go out of my way looking for T-men, so I'm not a ->-bleeped-<- myself, but I do appreciate them above genetic men. The ones I've known have all been so much more hip to women's needs! Mmm now that's my kind of man.
Here's what I find about compromise--
don't do it if it hurts inside,
'cause either way you're screwed,
eventually you'll find
you may as well feel good;
you may as well have some pride

--Indigo Girls
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NicholeW.

Quote from: Hypatia on July 31, 2008, 07:07:52 PM
The ones I've known have all been so much more hip to women's needs! Mmm now that's my kind of man.

Agreed, Hypatia. Sorry, if I was gonna fall for a guy I think it would be a man with a trans history.

Nichole
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tinkerbell

Quote from: Kate on July 31, 2008, 08:29:56 AM
But if someone simply appreciated my unusual past as being interesting, an extra "edge" or "value added bonus," lol... sorta like admiring someone who's traveled the world or something... then is that so bad?
That doesn't fit the definition of a ->-bleeped-<- admirer/->-bleeped-<- though.  That is what a SO/boyfriend/girlfriend/spouse/partner is.  Heck, Chris does all that, does that mean he is a ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-/admirer?  Or am I a ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-/admier because he is a FTM?  Sorry but I think not.  A ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<- is this or this

Quote from: Kate on July 31, 2008, 08:29:56 AM
So I dunno, I'm kinda beginning to make peace with all that. I'm not saying I "identify as trans" or anything like that, but I can't deny that my past was unusual.
I just don't want to get caught up in "proving that I'm a real woman" to myself by denying my male past, ya know? Just because someone knows of my past...

~Kate~
It has nothing to do with "denying" our past or "proving that we're real women".  The difference lies in the personal desire to be objectified.  If one enjoys objectification, (either as the objectifier or the one being objectified) then they will seek that dynamic.  Now, that being said, people just can't assume that simply because one's gender/sex/medical history/transsexualsim is atypical that one would be welcoming of said dynamic, no?

tink :icon_chick:
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Nero

Quote from: Hypatia on July 31, 2008, 07:07:52 PM
That was an excellent contribution, Mister. From what I can see, the whole dynamic is very different-- with male ->-bleeped-<-s of MTF identifying as straight, while female ->-bleeped-<-s of FTM are usually openly queer, and the FTM's relationship with women so often emerging from a lesbian milieu, and to some extent remaining within the lesbian ambit. Margaret Cho is an outspoken queer woman and a well-known admirer of FTM boys. I had a friend who was a riotgrrrl sort of poet, and when I met her she had a relationship with an FTM guy-- she also dated women-- and she says about herself: "I'm not gay, lesbian, bi, straight, or any of those things. I'm just queer, that's all."

I dated a T-man too, and he totally treated me like a lady, he was such a gentleman to me. <sigh> I don't go out of my way looking for T-men, so I'm not a ->-bleeped-<- myself, but I do appreciate them above genetic men. The ones I've known have all been so much more hip to women's needs! Mmm now that's my kind of man.
Quote from: Nichole on July 31, 2008, 07:26:49 PM
Quote from: Hypatia on July 31, 2008, 07:07:52 PM
The ones I've known have all been so much more hip to women's needs! Mmm now that's my kind of man.

Agreed, Hypatia. Sorry, if I was gonna fall for a guy I think it would be a man with a trans history.

Nichole

Thanks, ladies!  :-*
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