"I fantasize about having a perfectly flat (that is, male) chest."

Yeah, same. The whole stereotypical girl-coming-onto-guy thing where she runs her hand down his perfectly flat chest.

Well I think it's only a risk that you lose nipple/chest sensation, I don't remember quite well from my research but I'm pretty sure most of them do get it back after healing fully.

Uhm, I'm really not sure if I'm attracted to androgynes. Never met one IRL [not even any trans, except one who is a maybe], and even from just pictures, I'm still confused about it.

Quote from: freespeechz on August 11, 2008, 08:24:53 PM
Well I think it's only a risk that you lose nipple/chest sensation, I don't remember quite well from my research but I'm pretty sure most of them do get it back after healing fully.

So far, I'm pretty ambivalent about the fairly invasive top surgery that they have for larger breasts. I don't want to lose sensation. I don't usually heal well, so that's something else to take into consideration. And I have no idea how small my headlights will be after I lose the weight, but I remember their being around a B cup when I was much younger. I've read that keyhole surgery is preferable for A cups and some Bs. I'll just have to wait and see.

Yeh, well am fine with sensation lost there... then again already have some lol  It's down below I don't really want to loose to much sensation.  If they could make a good penis with enough sensation I'd probably be fully for it.

Quote from: Arch on August 12, 2008, 02:16:52 AM

Quote from: freespeechz on August 11, 2008, 08:24:53 PM
Well I think it's only a risk that you lose nipple/chest sensation, I don't remember quite well from my research but I'm pretty sure most of them do get it back after healing fully.

So far, I'm pretty ambivalent about the fairly invasive top surgery that they have for larger breasts. I don't want to lose sensation. I don't usually heal well, so that's something else to take into consideration. And I have no idea how small my headlights will be after I lose the weight, but I remember their being around a B cup when I was much younger. I've read that keyhole surgery is preferable for A cups and some Bs. I'll just have to wait and see.

Be careful not to lose it too quickly then, because elasticity is a big factor in whether or not you're a candidate for keyhole.

Quote from: Nero on August 12, 2008, 10:21:08 AM
Be careful not to lose it too quickly then, because elasticity is a big factor in whether or not you're a candidate for keyhole.

Well, I'm definitely not going the Clark Gable route here. It will be slow enough. But elasticity of what?

The breasts. If they sag too much (which happens with rapid weight loss), prolly won't be able to do keyhole.

Quote from: Chett on July 29, 2008, 11:25:37 PM
im not "gay" really... more like pansexual with strong leanings towards masculine people.  but welcome.

i'm the same way.


never came out during a relationship with a guy. the one guy ive been with knew b4.

Quote from: Nero on August 12, 2008, 02:16:35 PM
The breasts. If they sag too much (which happens with rapid weight loss), prolly won't be able to do keyhole.

Given my age, I think that droopage is inevitable. Keyhole's probably a pipe dream for me anyway. 

I've always felt that the bilateral masectomy procedure created a more male-looking chest anyways, as it creates more well-defined pecs. Keyhole just seems to flatten the whole thing out without regards to form and shape. Just my opinion.

Quote from: Arch on August 12, 2008, 04:00:53 PM

Quote from: Nero on August 12, 2008, 02:16:35 PM
The breasts. If they sag too much (which happens with rapid weight loss), prolly won't be able to do keyhole.

Given my age, I think that droopage is inevitable. Keyhole's probably a pipe dream for me anyway. 

Well, the only way to know is to send pics to a surgeon and he'll be able to tell you whether or not you're a candidate for keyhole.

But I agree with Freespeechz that the other procedure usually has better results anyway. Plus, I hear keyhole usually requires revisions.

There are other ways to preserve sensation. Dr. Reardon does a technique that leaves the nipples intact as well as a few other surgeons.

Quote from: freespeechz on August 12, 2008, 04:26:00 PM
I've always felt that the bilateral masectomy procedure created a more male-looking chest anyways, as it creates more well-defined pecs. Keyhole just seems to flatten the whole thing out without regards to form and shape. Just my opinion.

I'll have to do more research once I start figuring out what I REALLY want. I scar easily, I don't heal very well, I've had skin allergies all my life...I'm probably a textbook candidate for not having ANY cosmetic surgery, ever. My partner suggested reduction only--maybe I could live with that, but right now I have this sort of all-or-nothing feeling about the whole thing.

Grr. Sometimes I wish my partner were gay. But if he were, he wouldn't have been attracted to me in the first place. I keep telling myself that, ultimately, I have to be happy in my own skin and not let my relationship dictate the path I take.

Yeah, Arch, you just keep telling yourself that.

I've made the (possibly temporary) decision not to transition because I'm afraid that men will no longer desire me sexually. It's quite depressing.

Awh Milo, you should make the decision on whether or not you're comfortable with your body as is, not whether someone else will be. :-/ -pats-

Quote from: Milo on August 12, 2008, 07:10:05 PM
I've made the (possibly temporary) decision not to transition because I'm afraid that men will no longer desire me sexually. It's quite depressing.

I think I know where you're coming from. I had several reasons for putting all of my identity stuff in a box for so long--one reason was that I had a worry similar to yours--but, of course, I was really only worried about one particular guy.

Things sure get confusing when that gay-straight line becomes fuzzy. Milo, are you worried that straight men or gay men will not desire you??? Or does it matter? 'Cause if you're physically female now, then are you looking to hook up with straight guys?

I have always felt a "pull" toward gay guys, but none of them ever saw me as a potential mate. Of course, I've been in committed (hetero) relationships ever since I was nineteen. Jeez, I just realized how young that is...

Thinking maybe after top surgery whenever that is might see if tattooing will make the scars less obvious, and if not least look cool

Quote from: Arch on August 12, 2008, 07:57:53 PM

Quote from: Milo on August 12, 2008, 07:10:05 PM
I've made the (possibly temporary) decision not to transition because I'm afraid that men will no longer desire me sexually. It's quite depressing.

I think I know where you're coming from. I had several reasons for putting all of my identity stuff in a box for so long--one reason was that I had a worry similar to yours--but, of course, I was really only worried about one particular guy.

Things sure get confusing when that gay-straight line becomes fuzzy. Milo, are you worried that straight men or gay men will not desire you??? Or does it matter? 'Cause if you're physically female now, then are you looking to hook up with straight guys?

I have always felt a "pull" toward gay guys, but none of them ever saw me as a potential mate. Of course, I've been in committed (hetero) relationships ever since I was nineteen. Jeez, I just realized how young that is...

I'm attracted to men and women, both gay and straight.
However, if I transition, straight men will not desire me as I am a man and gay men will not desire me as I don't have a penis.

I know there is a lot of debate about that around here Milo, but I'm with you on this one.  The penis is pretty central to the gay male experience.

Exactly.
People can debate up and down about it but I still get treated really badly by gay men for "deceiving" them or being a "yaoi fangirl" so I've just come to accept it. Until I can have a fully functional, cost effective, and realistic penis, complete absence of sex is enough to deter me from transition.

Quote from: Milo on August 13, 2008, 02:27:00 PM
Exactly.
People can debate up and down about it but I still get treated really badly by gay men for "deceiving" them or being a "yaoi fangirl" so I've just come to accept it. Until I can have a fully functional, cost effective, and realistic penis, complete absence of sex is enough to deter me from transition.

Well, that's true about most men, but if you're the monogamous sort, you only need to find one who'll accept you.
If you're a player, yeah you'll probably want to remain physically female.

I couldn't actually be monogamous if my life depended on it. I've never managed not cheating while in a relationship so I just don't have them.