And these are the same girls? "Wow!" that is incredible.

Cindy

theres a few wows in there,

off the t.v. programme extreme makeovers?? well eitherway can i have the no of their suregeon plz

On a serious note it just shows what can be achieved to people who say that you cannot ever pass as a female, which ive been reading alot lately on the ffs support group. Something i strongly disagree with as money talks in any language.

On another note i found an interesting article from someone about using one of the big 4 if your considering ffs and the virtues of using them as a one stop shop. I will post it up in the relevant thread when i find the author to credit quote and ask admin if i can 1st ofcourse.

Unless your Leslie or keira for instance (whos surgeons were in a godly mood when they went creating) and ended up like athena and eve

Vanna X

Okay, I got a system warning that this topic was near dormant and advising me to start a new topic but no way girls, not good enough.

I have read all of your responses and I still ask the same question, "what makes for a female face?"

I see all the photographic representations on here, I see all the women at large in my community, and also know my own face and how all the men look facially, and look at me generally by being abusive.

My underlying difficulty is how to seperate the male from the female, establish the differences and rectify them, hopefully without the need of a surgeon.

Is it it a genetic thing?

Is it a hormone therapy thing?

Is it something needing castration?

Is is just good luck thing?

Is it a Magic thing?

Is it a special connection to a religion ( Islam/Anglican/Hindu/Judaism ( I dismiss Catholiscim due to past conflict with a priest )

We all know a man when we see one and a woman likewise but do we make that decision based upon the overall image or based upon what we see of the person's face?   I have dainty little hands, often commented upon, small feet for a male, a gentle nature and a seemingly feminine projection, minus my masculine hairy face     

I have met with a woman and not known that she was once a male, such is the wonder of our condition.

I hope you can see my difficulty here and maybe help me understand where I may be going wrong and what I need to do to diminish the constant hostility that remains my daily outdoors life in this sleepy town called ->-bleeped-<-ch 
   

Quote from: JENNIFER on October 12, 2008, 05:10:49 PM
Okay, I got a system warning that this topic was near dormant and advising me to start a new topic but no way girls, not good enough.

I have read all of your responses and I still ask the same question, "what makes for a female face?"

I see all the photographic representations on here, I see all the women at large in my community, and also know my own face and how all the men look facially, and look at me generally by being abusive.

My underlying difficulty is how to seperate the male from the female, establish the differences and rectify them, hopefully without the need of a surgeon.

Is it it a genetic thing?

Is it a hormone therapy thing?

Is it something needing castration?

Is is just good luck thing?

Is it a Magic thing?

Is it a special connection to a religion ( Islam/Anglican/Hindu/Judaism ( I dismiss Catholiscim due to past conflict with a priest )

We all know a man when we see one and a woman likewise but do we make that decision based upon the overall image or based upon what we see of the person's face?   I have dainty little hands, often commented upon, small feet for a male, a gentle nature and a seemingly feminine projection, minus my masculine hairy face     

I have met with a woman and not known that she was once a male, such is the wonder of our condition.

I hope you can see my difficulty here and maybe help me understand where I may be going wrong and what I need to do to diminish the constant hostility that remains my daily outdoors life in this sleepy town called ->-bleeped-<-ch 
   

Overall image, I'd say.

Quote from: Nero on October 12, 2008, 05:24:31 PM

Quote from: JENNIFER on October 12, 2008, 05:10:49 PM
Okay, I got a system warning that this topic was near dormant and advising me to start a new topic but no way girls, not good enough.

I have read all of your responses and I still ask the same question, "what makes for a female face?"

I see all the photographic representations on here, I see all the women at large in my community, and also know my own face and how all the men look facially, and look at me generally by being abusive.

My underlying difficulty is how to seperate the male from the female, establish the differences and rectify them, hopefully without the need of a surgeon.

Is it it a genetic thing?

Is it a hormone therapy thing?

Is it something needing castration?

Is is just good luck thing?

Is it a Magic thing?

Is it a special connection to a religion ( Islam/Anglican/Hindu/Judaism ( I dismiss Catholiscim due to past conflict with a priest )

We all know a man when we see one and a woman likewise but do we make that decision based upon the overall image or based upon what we see of the person's face?   I have dainty little hands, often commented upon, small feet for a male, a gentle nature and a seemingly feminine projection, minus my masculine hairy face     

I have met with a woman and not known that she was once a male, such is the wonder of our condition.

I hope you can see my difficulty here and maybe help me understand where I may be going wrong and what I need to do to diminish the constant hostility that remains my daily outdoors life in this sleepy town called ->-bleeped-<-ch 
   

Overall image, I'd say.

How to write a response to an essay with 4 words?  Ask our Nero

I was going to use two.... 'the lot'.

Hi Jennifer

I can only give you input from my experience and issues with my facial structure but here
are my thoughts.

QuoteIs it it a genetic thing?

I think that some guys just have more feminine faces than some, so I think yes genetics does
play a role in the basic facial structure.  And I think you have a very pretty facial structure.

QuoteIs it a hormone therapy thing?

Yes, to a degree. Hormones will not change your bone structure but it will add a layer of fat in
all the right places. I know that prior to HRT my cheek bones were very hard and now they look
much more rounded and softer. I was convinced that I needed cheek implants to soften the upper
cheek area now I'm not so sure.

QuoteIs it something needing castration?

HRT is castration for the most part.

QuoteIs is just good luck thing?

Yes to some extent, you need to start with somewhat feminine bone structure. By the way I think you do
have a feminine base structure.

QuoteIs it a Magic thing?

If you consider HRT magic (and it is) then yes

QuoteIs it a special connection to a religion ( Islam/Anglican/Hindu/Judaism ( I dismiss Catholiscim due to past conflict with a priest )

Partially... you need to worship at the house of HRT

QuoteWe all know a man when we see one and a woman likewise but do we make that decision based upon the overall image or based upon what we see of the person's face?   I have dainty little hands, often commented upon, small feet for a male, a gentle nature and a seemingly feminine projection, minus my masculine hairy face  Sad   

I think that what you have to do is change the markers that define what gender you are seen as. I know personally that even in boy
mode I am causing people to question what I really am. This weekend my wife and I were shopping and my wife walked away as I
finished up. The checker said to me "You girls have fun" as I left. My wife was out of ear shot but I just said thank
you and went on my way. It's an amazing feeling every time that happens and it starts to happen more and more the longer
you are on HRT. The first time you just want to say... "What???" and then it happens again and again.

I think for me it's part luck, I was given a somewhat feminine facial structure and a light beard. But HRT has given me very soft
and smooth facial skin (well actually all over). But I think for me it's more than just my face, it's the entire package. HRT has
reduced very significantly the space that I occupy. There are very few adult men in this day that are sub 150lbs and my breasts
are to the point where I cannot wear just a shirt. I'm also to the point where I can't wear male jeans any longer becuase the
smallest waist size, 28in is too loose, but my butt and thighs are too big. A size 5 or 6 is perfect. And while my breasts are
still A cup on a flat tummy and skinny waist they really look big. I've started wearing compression shirts to control things. So
all this put together makes people at least question what I am and all this is in boy mode, no makeup, no jewelry, no earrings,
no other markers to give them a clue. Once I'm fulltime and able to dress and accessorize as a female and have my facial hair
removed, there just won't be a question. Prior to HRT I was never mamm'ed so I've got to believe that HRT can make a
difference if you start with a reasonable base. You will hear so many girls here who never though they would pass(me included)
and magically they do. I'm not sure where you are in the HRT process but give it time. It will work. And if you remember, people here
were telling me the exact same thing just last year. And also keep in mind that it's the entire package, not just you're face.
Your walk, how you move, your mannerisms all contribute to how you are seen.

Hugs,

Amanda

Thank you Amanda and as usual, a very well written piece of work.  It has given me something to think about and maybe I should not beat myself up so much.

You were very kind with your assessment of my looks and to answer your query, No, I am not  on prescription HRT yet.  I am seeing the doctor at the gender clinic this week to find out when I may start HRT. This has been delayed owing to an underlying medical event that means there are certain risks with high dose medications hence my asking if castration ( physical ) was one of the keys to getting a more feminine face.

Once more, thank you Amanda 

Hi Amanda, it's wonderful to hear about the progress you have experienced thus far. I mmentioned that if HRT could do what it did to an old duck like me that it might be worth your time to wait a little to see what HRT does for you. Anyway I am looking forward to seeing a new pic of you soon.

Have a wonderful day

Cindy

Quote from: gina on June 05, 2008, 05:56:54 PM

Quote from: Always Amanda on June 05, 2008, 12:29:32 PM

And I think a lot of them look very masculine... does anyone else see that?
And... there is at least one transsexual in the group... can anyone spot her?

Amanda

Yes I have to agree with you Amanda with alot having a slightly masculine or androgynous face. As spotting the TS it is quite rough...I'm going to take a shot here and say its (1C). If I'm right what do I win....

gina

If Gina means column 1, third row down - I agree.

Helo,

i´m new in this forum, i posted a blog one week ago in another topic and nobody in "FFS forehead techniques".

Sorry, i´m not speaking english good.

The next weeks I visit Dr. frans noorman van der dussen in belgium, he is only the one pople who can operate the forehead in europe, i heard. Is ist so?

Best wishes,.