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Started by almost,angie, January 17, 2009, 12:26:32 PM

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Rachael

What i find disturbing, or 'gives me the creeps' as renate so aptly put it, is the trans community's view of detransition... HELLO? if they want to be the sex they were born, go for it! its a feth lot easier... and if they are men, or women, then why not be what they are? isnt that the point of transition?
I find this more amungst m2fs, its almost like for some, being a woman superseeds gender... its as if, 'who wouldnt want to be female?' that by detransitioning, some poor guy gets laid into for making the right call.... as if they let down the ->-bleeped-<- side by being a boring old smelly boy....

Get a grip guys. If the OP wants to go back, fine, if they truely can, go for it... if you cant, id weigh up that decision hard before doing something permanent as renate showed...

People are human. People go back and forward on decisions till they are happy with it... it can happen... and again, people can make mistakes... all that matters at the end of the day is they are happy. And the attitudes within the community on the subject are laughable when looked at from outside... get a grip guys... this is life... not picking sides on a football team... the decision you make matters...  its not popularity or vanity.
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Robin_p

I'm an all or nothing girl myself...

Your going to detransition to go back to the way things were..

How would you go back to that jumping off point?

Wouldn't you still have to learn how to cope with your new way of life and live?

Would it be easier or Utopia?


Good luck with whatever you do.. I wish you Peace.

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Rachael

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Ms Bev

I hate to go against popular opinion, Angie, but if you think going back is an option you would handle without hurting yourself, and would ultimately make you happy, then Aloha.  Living this life is not easy for most...


I wish you all the best!

Bev
1.) If you're skating on thin ice, you might as well dance. 
Bev
2.) The more I talk to my married friends, the more I
     appreciate  having a wife.
Marcy
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KarenLyn

Angie, If detransitioning is what you need to do, you should do it. It doesn't solve anything though. And it's not necessarily the end of the path. I know another who detransitioned and then re-transitioned 2 years after that.

Karen
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Lisbeth

Quote from: Starbuck on January 19, 2009, 07:03:54 PM
People go back and forward on decisions till they are happy with it... it can happen... and again, people can make mistakes... all that matters at the end of the day is they are happy. And the attitudes within the community on the subject are laughable when looked at from outside... get a grip guys... this is life... not picking sides on a football team... the decision you make matters...  its not popularity or vanity.

Hmmmm... "People go back and forward on decisions till they are happy with it." Well, I suppose that's one way to look at it. And I suppose you could climb back and forth over Mt. Everest until you can pick the side you want to be on. But there are costs to changing your mind, and you can only afford to do it so many times. The price goes up and your resources go down. Hey, it's not like picking sides in a football game, before you pick a side, decide if you can live with your choice, 'cause going back ain't easy.
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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sabrina

Hey you don't know me or I you; but still................Life can be as easy or difficult as we make it.  If de-transition is the path you feel is best suited toward making a more enjoyable life, then follow your heart.

Personally I feel that we as a group have fought so many battles winning some, losing others that I wouldn't want to lose the small advances made.  Just my opinion.
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Rachael

Quote from: Lisbeth on January 19, 2009, 11:26:36 PM
Quote from: Starbuck on January 19, 2009, 07:03:54 PM
People go back and forward on decisions till they are happy with it... it can happen... and again, people can make mistakes... all that matters at the end of the day is they are happy. And the attitudes within the community on the subject are laughable when looked at from outside... get a grip guys... this is life... not picking sides on a football team... the decision you make matters...  its not popularity or vanity.

Hmmmm... "People go back and forward on decisions till they are happy with it." Well, I suppose that's one way to look at it. And I suppose you could climb back and forth over Mt. Everest until you can pick the side you want to be on. But there are costs to changing your mind, and you can only afford to do it so many times. The price goes up and your resources go down. Hey, it's not like picking sides in a football game, before you pick a side, decide if you can live with your choice, 'cause going back ain't easy.
so  what point were you making by quoting me and repeating my post in different words?
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cindybc

#28
I do so agree with Starbuck;
QuoteWhat i find disturbing, or 'gives me the creeps' as renate so aptly put it, is the trans community's view of detransition... HELLO? if they want to be the sex they were born, go for it! its a feth lot easier... and if they are men, or women, then why not be what they are? isnt that the point of transition?

To me, speaking for myself, since only the short few years leading up to transitioning and becoming complete were my happiest years of my life outside of my childhood, and thirty years of living in hell in between I left behind getting here. There never was an option for me. There was only one direction to go, transition. Now that I have completed the crossing over to womanhood, if I were told for some reason I had to detransition or I would go back to hell, or what ever,  if I didn't, I would blow my brains out and get to hell and get it over with quicker. That is just how passionate I am being me, I worked to damned hard to be her, now there is only her.

Cindy 
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katherine

Transitioning is such an important, time consuming, expensive process.  We decide to transition because we are miserable with our physical selves.  I'm back on my journey again.  My life hasn't been all bad.  I remember very enjoyable times with friends as a male.  But that isn't the point.  Inside I was and still am unhappy.  Sure I had enjoyable moments, but what I recall very vividly is the crying, thoughts of suicide, misery.  Much of that was kept bottled-up inside, just getting worse.  I haven't begun HRT yet, I still have a bit to go.  When I reach that point in my life, I damn well will not turn around and travel back the way I came.  That's me.  I've tried so many times to force myself to live a man's life.  All I've proven is that I can, but it's not who and what I am.  You have to decide who and what you are.  If you truly believe you should retransition, then you've decided that you are just a confused, misdirected female.  I remember happy days from years ago, but even then, underneath it all, I knew I was female, and eventually my inner self could no longer remain contained.  I know I'm rambling with my thoughts on this, but my point is, be absolutely sure of who and what you are before making such a terribly important decision.  This isn't a game.
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Lisbeth

Quote from: Starbuck on January 20, 2009, 12:13:17 AM
so  what point were you making by quoting me and repeating my post in different words?

Is that what I was doing? I was trying to make sense out of what you said. You seemed to be disagreeing with yourself.
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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Rachael

no,  i said exactly what you said... you may have misread... i said life was not like picking sides in a football game, the choice has reprocusions and is not a popularity contest.
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Ell

ok, one said,
"What i find disturbing, or 'gives me the creeps' as renate so aptly put it, is the trans community's view of detransition..."  Interpretation: someone has a viewpoint that i find disturbing. i will attack them. i.e.: don't be gentle with or supportive of people's ideas toward detransitioning.

the other said,
"there are costs to changing your mind" Interpretation: Don't detransition without first considering the enormous personal and emotional risks."

both sides could be right, except, of course, that we are not, ourselves, professional therapists.

as a support site, i suppose it could be said we should only support those who want to transition, not those who want to detransition.

however, Angie is my friend, and i, also, am not a professional therapist. am i supposed to withhold support from her, now that she has broached a subject which supposedly gives some people "the creeps"?

-ell
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Rachael

Ok wow... your interpretation is completely bloody wrong....

I AM ALL IN FAVOUR OF DETRANSITION... *facepalms* i was saying the community has a tendanncy to be all 'ew detransition' and view anyone who does so in bad light.... i dont like the suggestion that i would attack someone for thier belief, thats against the rules here hon. Plus please try and read a post, not between its lines when there isnt any....
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Lisbeth

Quote from: Starbuck on January 20, 2009, 07:14:26 PM
Ok wow... your interpretation is completely bloody wrong....

I AM ALL IN FAVOUR OF DETRANSITION... *facepalms* i was saying the community has a tendanncy to be all 'ew detransition' and view anyone who does so in bad light.... i dont like the suggestion that i would attack someone for thier belief, thats against the rules here hon. Plus please try and read a post, not between its lines when there isnt any....

Ah. Then I was not wrong. We said completely the opposite thing. I have yet to know anyone for whom detransition was the right answer.
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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Rachael

You assume then that anyone who begins transition is actually transgender... not being influenced by other factors...
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mmelny

Quote from: almost,angie on January 17, 2009, 12:26:32 PM
Yep I said it. I was thinking of it since I can`t afford to transition and I miss the old life I had. So it is quite possible I may detransition. What is wrong with me??? I can`t beleve i would consider it, but I am. After a top surgery ( how ever much that costs???) I could go back to Hawaii and surf & boat with my friends and live the Island life I love so much. I would get to live with my children for sure and stay married to my wife. There are some good things to come out of detransition but I would have to live forever knowing I gave up on being me. ( I`m not entirly sure I would ever be passable anyway) Going either way is very hard for me to do so I just might do it.   Ever been there? I know for sure i don`t want to be known as trans the rest of my life. I also don`t want to be a man. So I just think life might be easier for me if I just go back to the way things where. A hiddin Island girl in a mans body.
Thanks, Angie

*huggs* Angie.  The word "detransition" sends chills through me, but I've been an a-train freightliner dedicated to one purpose for a couple years, looking for the light at the end of the tunnel.  But, occasionally, I stop, breathe, and look around and think what am I doing, feeling the self-doubt, i'm nuts, this is so hard, then the focus reappears.  Friends are there, support is there, just look for those you love, that wish everything for you, that have been there from the start for you.   Remember what makes you happy, the vision of the light, and if you can't see it, do what you need to do to make yourself happy.   Simple words from a goofy analogy, but only you can see your own path....

*huggs*,
Melan

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Ell

Quote from: Starbuck on January 20, 2009, 07:14:26 PM
Ok wow... your interpretation is completely bloody wrong....

I AM ALL IN FAVOUR OF DETRANSITION... *facepalms* i was saying the community has a tendanncy to be all 'ew detransition' and view anyone who does so in bad light.... i dont like the suggestion that i would attack someone for thier belief, thats against the rules here hon. Plus please try and read a post, not between its lines when there isnt any....

well, you were the one that said you were finding people's attitudes "disturbing" and that they ought to "get a grip..." uh, which is not an attack, i suppose (since it's just implying insanity).
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Alyssa M.

I'd say anyone who begins transition is indeed transgender, unless they have some very severe mental disorder that is making them do it for some complicated reason (like schizophrenia). But that doesn't make them transsexual. So I sort of agree. But more important, I don't think that "transsexual" is a completely binary category -- you can have a milder or more severe case, so to speak, and social circumstances confuse everything even more -- basically, because I don't really think that anything in nature is a binary category.

As a transgender support group, I thing it doesn't make the slightest sense not to support transgender people who are trying to deal with their gender role, whether that involves transitioning, detransitioning, or never transitioning in the first place.

I thought you made perfect sense, Starbuck. Though we have differing views, they lead us to the same conclusion in this case.

The reason I think a lot of people are disappointed by people who don't transition is that they find security in their identity through shared experience, so detransition can feel like a betrayal. I suspect that you don't feel that sense of betrayal (however misdirected) because you are more confident in your identity. For me it's different. I don't feel it because in detransition, I just see someone dealing with a troubled gender role in the best way they can, so I still feel connected. Of course, to the extent that that's all true, it's a simplicication, I know.

Anyway, my best wished for you, Angie, whatever you decide.

~Alyssa
All changes, even the most longed for, have their melancholy; for what we leave behind us is a part of ourselves; we must die to one life before we can enter another.

   - Anatole France
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Lisbeth

Quote from: Starbuck on January 20, 2009, 07:51:13 PM
You assume then that anyone who begins transition is actually transgender... not being influenced by other factors...

I make no assumption whatsoever. I said, "I have yet to know anyone for whom detransition was the right answer." That is not to say that some might not successfully destransition, but everyone I know who tried has failed and retransitioned. Given the one-sided nature of that statistic, I would be very cautious of suggesting detransitioning to anyone.
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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