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Coming Out When You Are Stealth

Started by Lisbeth, February 15, 2009, 07:41:08 PM

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cindybc

The only folks who know about me and where I am, is family, I did all I could to accept me as who I am, they had seven years to do so, to no avail. I guess they think I am a monster in their closet they don't want anyone to know about. But how wrong are they, I am only a little mouse. who wants to grow up to be a lady.

Cindy
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Lacey Lynne

Quote from: Tink on February 15, 2009, 08:26:38 PM
Like with doctors for instance?  That is the only time I would "out" myself and even then, it would have to be for a medical condition for which I had no other option but to tell them about my personal, medical history.  Otherwise, there is no need for anyone to know about my private life.  Some of us have built careers, new relationships, friends, an entire new life in our true gender, and I don't intend to jeopardize any of that to be "out and proud", end of the story.


tink :icon_chick:

Hi!

I've got to agree with Tink all the way on this one.  Once I fully transition, I plan to live the way Tink does as described above in her quote.  To me, anyway, being TS is not a cause, it's just a condition you're born with.  Once you correct it, it's corrected.  Live your life in peace.  Now, if you happen upon someone who is also TS and wants your insight and your help, then, certainly, why not help them out? 

Just my two-cents' worth.  Do what you want regarding this matter. 

Hugs!
Believe.  Persist.  Arrive.    :D



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Hypatia

Anybody want a "Trans and Proud" button? Someone handed it to me at DC Trans Pride last year, but I've never worn it.
Here's what I find about compromise--
don't do it if it hurts inside,
'cause either way you're screwed,
eventually you'll find
you may as well feel good;
you may as well have some pride

--Indigo Girls
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Lacey Lynne

To Tink and cindybc:

Totally agree with you, gals!  LOVE your outlooks and attitudes!  Personally, I have not physically transitioned yet, but am starting the process.  I will very much keep your outlooks and attitudes in mind throughout the process.

Hugs!
Believe.  Persist.  Arrive.    :D



Julie Vu (Princess Joules) Rocks!  "Hi, Sunshine Sparkle Faces!" she says!
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kaosgirl

Quote from: Tink on February 15, 2009, 08:26:38 PM
Like with doctors for instance?  That is the only time I would "out" myself and even then, it would have to be for a medical condition for which I had no other option but to tell them about my personal, medical history.  Otherwise, there is no need for anyone to know about my private life.  Some of us have built careers, new relationships, friends, an entire new life in our true gender, and I don't intend to jeopardize any of that to be "out and proud", end of the story.

tink :icon_chick:

I have to sort of question a bit of this... on the relationship front itself.  Because it seems (to me at least) difficult to build a deep and genuine relationship with someone - platonic or romantic - without letting them into your private life to some degree.  The casual relationships I absolutely agree with; I see no need to disclose personal information to someone you just chat with at work, or other such general aquaintances you might have.  It's the close friends and long-term lovers I'd have trouble keeping something like this from myself.

Not to say that I disagree with your choice.  It's your life to live, your privacy to protect or share.  But it's not one I could make even if I had the option, and it seems every time this topic comes up in 'trans-spaces' I get the impression from the "non-disclosure" side that my refusal to make that choice is contemptible.

That bothers me.
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Ashley315

I CHOOSE not to be stealth.  I don't just tell every redneck I meet on the street.  That would be pretty stupid, but I'm not going to lie to people that are close or become close to me either.  Do they have a "right" to know?  Maybe, maybe not.   A prospective long term boyfriend/girlfriend or husband/wife... yeah, they need to be told.  You can't play with peoples emotions, no matter what your "condition" is or was.  This is a major factor on someones decision to be with you or not.  What if you don't tell them and they find out somehow later in life?  They would feel betrayed and hurt.
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Valentina

I don't tell anything to anybody regular people, close friends or potential mates. Nobody.  Peeps don't know & I don't plan to tell ever.   After all it's a choice we all make about our lives, innit? So I live it how I want it & tell my history to whom I want.  It's my life to live after all right?  If something goes wrong along the way & peeps get hurt, it's my problem to deal with it.  Why should other peeps care about what I choose for my self or about the people involved in my life.  That's not people's problem but my own.

I kinda of get the same thing with a little modification & that bothers me too.

Quote from: kaosgirl on March 07, 2009, 12:17:42 AM
It seems every time this topic comes up in 'trans-spaces' I get the impression from the "non-disclosure" "disclosure" side that my refusal to make that choice is contemptible.

That bothers me.
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Ashley315

Quote from: Valentina on March 07, 2009, 01:06:20 AM
I don't tell anything to anybody regular people, close friends or potential mates. Nobody.  Peeps don't know & I don't plan to tell ever.   After all it's a choice we all make about our lives, innit? So I live it how I want it & tell my history to whom I want.  It's my life to live after all right?  If something goes wrong along the way & peeps get hurt, it's my problem to deal with it.  Why should other peeps care about what I choose for my self or about the people involved in my life.  That's not people's problem but my own.

I kinda of get the same thing with a little modification & that bothers me too.

No but you make it a problem of other people when you choose to have a close relationship with them.. What if they want something you are unable to give them in life... A child perhaps?

I don't think everyone needs to be the front line on the war for our equality, but it couldn't hurt.  I just think life partners should know.   To not tell them is rather selfish and could potentially be harmful to them and to yourself. 
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Sephirah

Why must there always be battle lines drawn in discussions such as this? :-\

There are no 'sides', there are just people, living their lives the best way they know how. This isn't a war... or it shouldn't be.

A person's choices should be respected, even if disagreed with. We're all adults here, with free will and the ability to decide for ourselves what's best for us. We live with the consequences of our actions, whatever they may be. And it's for none but the individual to decide what's best for them.

All this fighting, division and thinly veiled insults... it doesn't solve anything. You can't change someone's view through hostility. All that does is make people miserable. :(
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Valentina

QuoteTo not tell them is rather selfish and could potentially be harmful to them and to yourself. 

That's your opinion but that's my problem to deal with after all not anybody else's.
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Ashley315

Quote from: Valentina on March 07, 2009, 01:26:03 AM
That's your opinion but that's my problem to deal with after all not anybody else's.

Good luck..  Wish you the best.  Hope all goes well for you and the poor person you end up getting married to.  Hopefully for your sake he or she will be understanding.  Cause you won't be able to hid it forever from them.
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Valentina

Quote from: Ashley315 on March 07, 2009, 01:30:58 AM
Good luck..  Wish you the best.  Hope all goes well for you and the poor person you end up getting married to.  Hopefully for your sake he or she will be understanding.  Cause you won't be able to hid it forever from them.

Thank you & you wish.  Have a nice life too.
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Janet_Girl

Each of us deals with this issue in our own way, just as we have with Transition.  There is no right or wrong, period.
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Ashley315

Quote from: Valentina on March 07, 2009, 01:33:28 AM
Thank you & you wish.  Have a nice life too.

I have a great life.  Thanks. ;D
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Valentina

Quote from: Ashley315 on March 07, 2009, 01:40:51 AM
I have a great life.  Thanks. ;D

Really?  you could have fooled me because going by your posts, it kinda gives the impression you're unhappy & angry with it or how the way you look or how the way the world see you maybe.  Dunno.  Don't mean to sound harsh but that's the impression I've got.  But that's good you've got a good life.
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Janet_Girl

I would suggest that we just cool down a little.  No one is going to change anyones mind here.  Just except it and move on. please.

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Ashley315

Quote from: Valentina on March 07, 2009, 01:43:47 AM
Really?  you could have fooled me because going by your posts, it kinda gives the impression you're unhappy & angry with it or how the way you look or how the way the world see you maybe.  Dunno.  Don't mean to sound harsh but that's the impression I've got.  But that's good you've got a good life.

Hmn.. dunno how you would get that from my post..

You seem to be a little angered over this.  Want a cookie?
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cindybc

Hi sis Jannet  :icon_wave:

I quite agree with Janet and Leiandra. I really can't understand the hostility either. All that accomplishes is either getting a thread locked or someone getting banned or both.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and interpretation for any given subject mater and it is normal human nature for each to have a different interpretation or conception of that very same topic, "No, I tell ya, the dress was red!" "No, your wrong, it was slacks and they were blue!"  We can learn more just keeping what resonates with us and leaving what doesn't. Even the stuff that doesn't resonate you would be surprised how it could make sense when someone else comes along with another piece to add to the puzzle.

Anyway this my second take on this topic. I don't even remember what I wrote before except that it was in response to Tinks.

Briefly, I began transition in a small town and surprisingly all went well, I believe I owe that to the type of personality I have, I am a bit of a mousy person and kind of timid for the most part, always have been. But even being timid didn't mean that I don't love being around people, and I love humor. I'm a people person and I make friends easily.  After two years I was well accepted by the town folks and no one gave me a hard time.

But here is the clincher, even after living there for 7 years and all treated me well, I knew that all knew my past history. So when the opportunity came for me to move, I moved to the opposite side of the contenent. Not a soul knows me here on the west coast except as the person I present, the woman that I am. I still have the same personality as the one who left the East coast behind.

I have just as many fiends now as I did in that other town and not a soul knows my past history and it stays that way. I have my beloved and what else could anyone want out of life, Well, maybe win the lottery. ;D

Wanting and having the need to live my life as who I have transitioned to be, as a woman, I believe this is why most of us go (stealth) to start with. The need to leave our trans history behind us because we are no longer trans. Just women with a trans history that is not anybody's business, anymore then if you were born with three legs and an extra head. Do we not pay our dues enough to deserve that?

Like leaving family and friends behind, leaving everything you were ever familiar with and loved behind to start a new life somewhere else hoping to never again run into anyone we know. Starting again among a city full of strangers, that is enough to give you the willies.

So we then proceed to do what comes naturally to to us, just like any other GG. We date males, in some cases females. We fall in love and get in to a partnership or get married, whatever the case may be again. And why not? That is what we are, women, psychologically and physically, same likes and dislikes, needing a male, again in some cases, female partner.

In the case of the woman who marries a man, normal thing for a woman to do isn't it? but she neglects to tell him about the three legs and the extra head she was born with, heck that would probably go over better then telling them you have a history of transsexaulity.

Once you have established your new life with your new marriage partner, you get on our knees and fervently pray no one from the past comes along to "out you". Then when someone does, all hell breaks loos and sometimes at the cost of someones life.

My take on this is that the smartest thing to do is I would tell my future partner, and if he wishes to continue the relationship, then at least rest be assured you know you have a good solid relationship.

Anybody else outside of your spouse is yours and his choice to make if anyone else outside the house needs to know. My choice is the same as my beloved has chosen, No one needs to know except our Dr.

Cindy
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vanna

Yay

some of the best and helpful threads always end up turning into something like this one

sorry but why dont you continue it over in pm or even better just leave each other alone
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cindybc

Hey!!! Pin a rose on the ladies lapel will ya.  ;D

Cindy
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