Quote from: K8 on October 05, 2009, 07:29:18 PM
Me too.  Then SRS. 

I want that "F" on my IDs, I'm tired of carrying around *his* crap, and my pants don't fit right.

That's exactly it for me.  I know the legal ID situation isn't for some but it is for me.

ETA: I should say that it's a significant part of it.  Another is simply being comfortable existing in my own body.  As much as I interact it's much less than the time of dealing with myself.

SRS is the surgery I want the most.  When I have a better source of income I'll get electro (I had laser which didn't get everything).  I'm not terribly worried about FFS since all that's really off is that my nose is a tad broad but like I said it's nothing too bad.  If I could get bottom surgery tomorrow I would do it.

FFS means everything to me. I plan SRS shortly after, funds pending of course.

Quote from: Valerie Elizabeth on October 05, 2009, 07:04:16 PM
I agree and I disagree.

I think FFS is an important first step.  I agree that breasts don't make a girl, and they do grow.  When I reach 2.5 years from the start of HRT I will make decisions regarding a BA, until then I am waiting.

To me, SRS is almost as important as FFS, but I think in a lot of cases, FFS is needed to be accepted.  You are right, no one would see your genitals unless you showed them, but for me it has nothing to do with other people.  For me, SRS is for me, and whether I am going to show it to anyone has nothing to do with it.


So for me, FFS, SRS, then anything else if you feel you need them.

I completely agree about GRS being very important.
I just think in terms of blending and feeling comfortable around people and living and with yourself, ffs would come first because it has an over greater beneficial value.

GRS in my opinion is really important and I am going to do it as soon as I can and I am sure I will feell more comfortable after this, but life would be easier (and I'd feel much more comfortable) with FFS more than they would after GRS

Btw, I am using GRS as Genital Reassignment Surgery, I hate the gender/sex reassignment surgery term, I think it's completely wrong and insulting.

EDIT
I also completely agree about laser facial hair removal!
Even without FFS it makes things look a lot better, less embarrassing (even just for me regardless of others), prettier and more comfortable!

Laser is relatively cheap and should be started as soon as someone can.

I been after 2 treatments and I really love it how after each treatment I have about a week or so almost free of all hairs.
Can't wait for when there are no hairs there at all and that it stays that way too!

Srs is the most important thing to me, then FFS.

my order is ffs as well as facial hair removal in progress then srs then maybe ba but ffs is for me required just so i can look in the mirror and not want to slit my wrists
jessica

Quote from: heatherrose on October 06, 2009, 09:27:11 AM

Why do you prefer the term "Gender Reassignment Surgery" over
"Sex Reassignment Surgery"? Gender is what is between your ears,
sex is what is between your legs. Do you intend to undergo surgery
to change your perceived gender or your sexual characteristics?

FYI...She used it as "Genital Reassignment Surgery".

~Sarah

I agree that facial hair is most important!  Just got back from my first laser session (ouch!) and have had 5 sessions with an electro!

Nest is HRT - hopefully starting in January.  Then I'll have to see were that takes me - if it dosen't soften my features enough, probably FFS and then SRS.

Steph

Quote from: heatherrose on October 05, 2009, 11:12:54 AM

Personally, I can not consider my sex
to be female until I have a virgina.

This.

Women can be ugly and women can be flat and still be taken seriously as women.

Having the "junk" hanging around really undermines that.

IMO.

Quote from: Laura Hope on October 06, 2009, 03:01:45 PM
This.

Women can be ugly and women can be flat and still be taken seriously as women.

Having the "junk" hanging around really undermines that.

IMO.

But no one can see your junk. 

Ah, yes, Nero, -

But it is still THERE!!!

Steph

Quote from: heatherrose on October 06, 2009, 03:52:27 PM

IMHO, this is the difference between transsexual and transgender ideology.
A transgender person is comfortable with their original equipment as long
as they can look like the part. A transsexual is not comfortable with
themselves until their genitals resemble those of their internal gender.

Saying this I do not assert that one group is better than an other,
I am only recognizing that there is a difference.

Hmm, that's a definition I haven't heard before.

I'm not trying to antagonize or anything, since I know we've already been going back and forth on the issue of FFS and stuff, but what exactly is the difference between needing to match your genitals with your internal gender identity and needing to match your other physical features to your internal gender identity?

It seems to me like it's all pretty much focused around the same thing...matching one's external identity with their internal identity. I don't see why they need to be broken down into that minute of a level when the end result is the same, feeling as comfortable in one's own body as possible. I use the definition of transgender as a blanket statement to encompass the various gender non-comforming ideologies (CD, TS, IS, etc.) as it's the most logical (Trans- (prefix): From the Latin meaning "across, over, or beyond.") Therefore, it literally mean across/beyond (trans) the (gender) boundaries. I reserve transsexual for the more specific group of transgender people who, in some form or another, transition, whether it be purely mental, or the "typical" physical transition as well.

~Sarah

This is not a competetion, I don't think labeling people is needed.

I am sure everyone just wants to be a female, everyone would do everything needed at the same time if the could.

If they can't, they choose what iwll make them more comfortable, If they really want GRS and FFS and feel comfortable enough with the face or a stronger feeling for GRS or whatever, they'd do GRS first.

If they feel they have a hard time in society and it will make it easier to blend and comfortable with how they see themselves if they do FFS, they might do FFS first even though they might really feel for GRS as well.

Just because you choose one before of the other, for whatever reason, doesn't make make you right or wrong.
It might be the best decision for you.

Personally I want GRS, won't give it up, but I hate looking in the camera and feeling the image is of a guy and other people seeing a guy so I want an image of a girl so I can live comfortabley with me and others and I'll be paitent with the GRS.

FFS can promot people a lot, GRS can complete people in my opinion.
Although at times both are needed for being complete.

Once I had implants and FFS, I knew that I probably would not have GRS.  But I feel differently about my "bits" as some of you ladies, I have never "hated" mine, and have received much pleasure from them.  If I had hated mine, it would have probably been my first surgery.

Quote from: Nero on October 06, 2009, 03:06:13 PM
But no one can see your junk. 

It's not what anyone else sees that matters, only what I see.  And what I know.  Your head can mess with you a lot when the wrong junk is attached.

Julie

Quote from: Julie Marie on October 06, 2009, 07:39:36 PM
It's not what anyone else sees that matters, only what I see.  And what I know.  Your head can mess with you a lot when the wrong junk is attached.

Yeah, like those hideous deformities I used to have on my chest (sorry, gals). I bound like crazy so that nobody else could see them, but they were still there. And I couldn't bind while I slept. That drove me nuts.

This thread is very interesting to me because it really speaks to some fundamental differences between the men and the women. Quite a while back, I assumed that women would want GRS/SRS before FFS, especially if the facial features were not too heavily masculine. Then I made a new friend with a pretty, quite feminine face, and she wanted FFS first! That really threw me for a loop. I asked why she didn't want to get GRS first and get her legal gender right with the federal government. She started pointing out all of the little masculine markers in her face and said that nobody sees her sex organs!

I still think she's beautiful and feminine-looking, enough so that I wonder if she'll ever opt for GRS first. But she doesn't seem to believe that her face is that "passable." Now, after seven-odd months on T, I can understand that; just as she looks in the mirror and sees a masculine face, I, too, look in my own mirror and see a very androgynous face that isn't nearly masculine enough.

It's cool to see all the different perspectives. Great thread.