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Started by Brynn, December 06, 2009, 01:00:16 AM

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Quote from: tekla on December 09, 2009, 02:14:47 PM
Second, its a deal done in real time, face to face with other people (which is why its so scary) and there is no real way to practice for that.

We all know what great preparation those driving simulators are, almost exactly like the real thing. Really. The two are so similar that you almost can't tell the difference at all, hardly.
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Lachlann

Any advice on the eye contact thing? I tend to get watery eyed when I look at someone in the eyes and am uncomfortable.
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Don't hold back and always know, all the answers will unfold
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Evan

tekla you're right there is no substitute for the real thing. I just know from personal experience that it's helped me, that and a xanax.  ;) Sometimes you just need to get your feet wet before you're ready to dive in. Even if the "hottie" you're chatting up online turns out to be in reality an overweight man with back hair and assless chaps.
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tekla

the "hottie" you're chatting up online turns out to be in reality an overweight man with back hair and assless chaps

Hey, that's me!
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Lachlann

Quote from: Evan on December 09, 2009, 09:07:02 PM
tekla you're right there is no substitute for the real thing. I just know from personal experience that it's helped me, that and a xanax.  ;) Sometimes you just need to get your feet wet before you're ready to dive in. Even if the "hottie" you're chatting up online turns out to be in reality an overweight man with back hair and assless chaps.

Which begs for the question... are chaps ever not assless?
Don't be scared to fly alone, find a path that is your own
Love will open every door it's in your hands, the world is yours
Don't hold back and always know, all the answers will unfold
What are you waiting for, spread your wings and soar
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tekla

Of course not, but somehow 'assless chaps' sounds so much more - well, something.
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DamagedChris

I hate to admit it...a lot of my relationships start online, because I spend a LOT of time online, chained to my computer. But I've never really gone online LOOKING for a relationship and it work out (I've tried online dating services once. Never again.) Most relationships I have just come to me, starting as friendships...and I'm happy with that.

Personally I refuse to even take someone's sexual orientation into account when considering if I would seek them for a relationship. I would never date anyone that I met through a lesbian group, gay group, etc etc because I would be afraid of what you all said--them seeing me in a different light than I see myself.  I think this is also why I hated the dating sites...it didn't feel natural and comfortable; people were there with one real point of view and it's all just a competition to get person A to like you or move to person B.

My girlfriend is straight, knows my FtM status, and is 100% supportive of us.
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Cairus

Quote from: Brynn on December 07, 2009, 03:51:43 PM
I don't care for my gender identity to screw up another relationship though. My ex broke up with me at least halfway because of how I identify. So I want someone to accept me 100% as I am from the beginning. It's not like I'm going to put myself out there as transgender in an unsafe situation. Atm, my dating pool is pretty much limited to people from the LGBTQIS group I'm involved in on campus. And we've been having a lot of gender talks and whatnot, so it's not like it'd be way out in left field for me to bring my gender identity up.

I appreciate the advice, guys. But especially because I'm still exploring my gender identity, being trans is too big a part of who I am for me to just let people assume I'm a bioguy. I'll be careful, though.

Hun, I noticed that a lot of users are ushering you not to be out about being trans. The thing is, while it's totally understandable that they do not relish 'outing themselves' unnecessarily, (I'm not being down on them- it's very reasonable to not want/need to tell people what's in your pants when it doesn't need to be their business) there is nothing wrong with you being open about your identity if you yourself are comfortable with it, and from the sounds of it, it could very well help to negate unwanted expectations/views of you.

The truth of the matter is, if you are just out as a guy, and not as trans, well... You are a guy, but due to the ratio of cisgendered guys to transsexual ones, it'll be assumed that you're cisgendered. Or worse, since you're pre-T and may not pass 100%, if you aren't out about being a transguy or at least a guy, people may even simply assume you're a woman, blargh! And when your lover 'finds out' that you aren't cisgendered, there could be problems- so if you're comfortable being out as a transguy, by all means, let people know so you don't get stuck in a drama crapstorm with someone who expects/assumes you're cisgendered and discovers (possibly with utter dismay!) that you are not!

I know you were saying before that you're wary about dating someone who identifies as lesbian, because they might try to see you as a woman- the thing is, most 'straight' men will do the same, and 'straight' girls have the potential to freak out and blow up or not be interested at all, as well, due to the 'trans status'. My advice is, don't be too scared of experimenting with dating a gay girl, because really, if you avoid gay girls because they 'might be weird to you', you're judging lesbians in the same way you DO NOT want other people to judge *you*,  in regards to dating, as a transguy. With any gender, sex, or orientation, there is the potential for your lover to try to see you in ways that are more appealing to them; avoiding gay women will not eliminate potential for this to happen.

Honestly, since you're comfortable being out as trans, wear it on your sleeve so people 'know what they're getting into', and then date whoever is appealing to you, really. Issues are a possibility for transpeople with any orientation or sex or gender, so don't be too afraid. After all, you don't want other people acting afraid or hesitant about you, so do other gender identities/sexual orientations a favor by not stereotyping them too much. ;)  It's unfortunate that many romantic relationships between a transperson and just about anyone else has to have a Trans 101 at some point, but since you're out as trans, may as well bring it up from the get-go and get a feel for how understanding your love interest is, and go from there.

Be upfront. If a lesbian girl is interested in you, assert your male identity and explain it to her, to make sure you're both on the same page and you're not being objectified as female-bodied. Explain what it means to be trans, and decide if you want to pursue relations with the person based on their responses, not their sexual label. :) Let her know you may be on T one day, and that it means you will probably be hairy and have a small dick/huge clit, and find out how she feels about this: ask her how she feels about body hair, how she feels about things stereotypically considered to be masculine body traits.

Many of the 'lesbians' and 'former lesbians' I've met have more pansexual tendencies, some of them even realize later on in life that they're transsexual themselves and therfore, 'straight' with their dating of women! Just as with straight people, many gays have not really experimented with the boundaries of their orientation. Some of them honestly don't want to; others just haven't thought about it or had the chance to experiment and discover. A surprising amount of lesbians simply identify that way because they have 'ended up' dating other women more than anything, haven't discovered the boundaries of their orientation, and/or simply haven't had the chance to date a transguy or other-gendered person who is appealing to them. We're kind of like unicorns, most people, gay or not, haven't knowingly encountered us often enough to have had the chance to date us.  :D Benefit of the doubt, anyone?
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notyouraverageguy

Quote from: Cairus on December 10, 2009, 06:28:47 PM
Let her know you may be on T one day, and that it means you will probably be hairy and have a small dick/huge clit, and find out how she feels about this: ask her how she feels about body hair, how she feels about things stereotypically considered to be masculine body traits.

Hey :"[...
My ex didn't mind my hair and my umm larger than average thing...
Gender expression is NOT gender identity.

Defective Catastrophe.
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Teknoir

Quote from: tekla on December 09, 2009, 10:53:07 PM
Of course not, but somehow 'assless chaps' sounds so much more - well, something.

Cheeky?


... sorry *hangs head in shame*.
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Cairus

Quote from: ccc on December 11, 2009, 03:03:44 AM
Hey :"[...
My ex didn't mind my hair and my umm larger than average thing...

That's good for you, bro. I'm not saying they're *supposed* to mind, but if you're an ftm thinking of dating a lesbian, who is supposedly 'into women', then it's a good idea to get to know how comfortable she is with masculinity and secondary sexual characteristics common amongst males, beforehand, so you can reaffirm that she isn't just dating you ''cause you're so smooth and like a woman right now'. :)
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GQjoey

Maybe it's just my own ignorance, but I don't understand how a lesbian, is going to be in a LT relationship with a transMAN. I understand why a lot of trans guys stick around in that "crowd", it's comfortable, and in some cases you were once a part of that group. But, lesbians, like women. They enjoy the same things, sexually, as men do. Boobs and vagina.
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Luc

Dating. Yike. It's certainly not easy being a transdude and trying to navigate the dating scene. I never thought I'd really have to worry about it, because I was already married when I started T. Imagine the shock divorce was, and realizing I was suddenly odd man out in the dating scene.

Right now, I'm tentatively "dating" a straight girl who's incredibly into me, and is willing to see past my anatomy. I have found women to be far more accepting... maybe some cultural difference that allows them to focus more on personality than anatomy. I think the best approach is to be honest. Anyone I'm thinking of dating, I tell I'm ftm. If he or she isn't okay with it, obviously he or she is hardly the right person for me.

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Arch

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Quote from: Teknoir on December 11, 2009, 05:48:06 AM
Cheeky?


... sorry *hangs head in shame*.
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BAD BOY. No ice cream for you tonight.
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LordKAT

NO, no, no,  Cheeky chaps is the brand name....
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Teknoir

Quote from: Arch on December 12, 2009, 03:11:47 AM
BAD BOY. No ice cream for you tonight.

Too late :P

Quote from: LordKAT on December 12, 2009, 03:30:49 AM
NO, no, no,  Cheeky chaps is the brand name....

I just googled that.

You just made a bad pun even worse. I tip my hat to you, good sir!
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Silver

Temptation won.

QuoteWelcome to Cheeky Chaps™, your one stop shop for unique, classy, sassy, and sexy chaps!

Classy? Where?
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tekla

Classy? Where?

Well at least once a year the the Folsom Street Fair.  One of the more 'out there' events in SF, right up there with the Love Parade and the HowWeird Festival.

NSFW
http://www.folsomstreetfair.com/photos/folsom-2009/index.php?page=1

And remember, you can't abbreviate Not Safe For Work, without SF right in the middle of it.
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notyouraverageguy

Quote from: tekla on December 12, 2009, 11:03:39 AM
Well at least once a year the the Folsom Street Fair.  One of the more 'out there' events in SF, right up there with the Love Parade and the HowWeird Festival.

I really want to go to the Love Parade!
Gender expression is NOT gender identity.

Defective Catastrophe.
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tekla

I kinda like the HowWeird myself - more a steampunk/burner deal, where LoveParade is more a EuroDisco deal.  But they are all fun, no doubt about it.  They are also for adults only, and pretty open minded adults at that.  It's us in SF, and we like it.  If you don't, fine, stay where you are and don't come here.

LoveParade
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&um=1&q=loveparade+sf+photos&sa=N&start=0&ndsp=20

HowWeird
http://mvgals.net/gallery/howweird-051009


And... if you go to those three events looking for someone to make love to and fail, give it up, you ain't never gonna get any.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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