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FFS, Do You WANT A Different Face?

Started by Julie Marie, December 16, 2006, 06:10:10 PM

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Julie Marie

Something has come to my attention through reading the accounts of others who have had FFS.  It can completely change your face, almost to the point you are no longer recognizable by those who knew you previously.  

Is that something you'd want?

That scares me.  I would never want the old me erased completely, just feminized.  I know some doctors are pretty aggressive and those doctors I will avoid.

What's your feelings?  Feminize your face or have a completely different face?

Julie
When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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tinkerbell

I am literally unrecognizable by those who knew me previously; as a result, I don't think it would be such a shock for them anyway.  The only reason why I would have FFS is, of course, to feminize my features even more.  I wouldn't like to have a different face, but if that were the result I get, I would accept it!

tinkerbell :icon_chick:
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Kate

Quote from: Julie Marie on December 16, 2006, 06:10:10 PMWhat's your feelings?  Feminize your face or have a completely different face?

I'd prefer to be unambiguously female - whatever it takes - even if that means people don't recognize me anymore. I don't want to be feminized. I need to be *female*. In fact, having people not recognize me would seem like a sign I'd succeeded. No more male me.

I mean heck, as insane as it sounds, I don't recognize me NOW. Know what I mean? Having a completely new, female face WOULD be me - even if it's drastically different than what it is now.

So even if the overall effect is dramatic, I'd still think of it as simply making my face into the female version it was meant to be. Had I been born xx, my brow overhang wouldn't be so pronounced, my chin wouldn't be quite so square, my cheeks wouldn't be so flat... and so on. I see FFS as picking up where HRT leaves off, correcting the things chemicals can't reach. It's ONLY addressing the things xx chromosomes would have given me.
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HelenW

Some of us, I suppose **looks in mirror and sighs**, could USE a new face!  

But would I get one on purpose, especially if I had the $$$ to do it?  I suppose not because of some of the things I've heard from others regarding how I pass.  But if I had an extermely masculine face with a heavy brow ridge, a very square jaw and a bulging adam's apple I would probably want to feminize it even if I was unrecognizable to my closest friends afterwards.

Come to think of it, if I felt uncomfortable with my present visage, as Kate suggests, then being unrecognizable after FFS would be a good thing.  No?

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Kimberly

I just do not want to see male when I look in the mirror. Nothing more, nothing less.

That said, I do not like my natural hair color because it was his hair color, perhaps that illustrates my frame of mind.
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SusanK

Quote from: Julie Marie on December 16, 2006, 06:10:10 PMSomething has come to my attention through reading the accounts of others who have had FFS.  It can completely change your face, almost to the point you are no longer recognizable by those who knew you previously.  

Is that something you'd want?

Gee, like Kenny Rogers? Look at the before and after photos of his facial surgery. I agree with the person who said it's not necessarily about a different face but a feminine one. That is different, but to many transwomen it's a small watershed to find and express themselves. Even some of the famous ones have said they didn't fully see themselves as women until after their ffs.  Wouldn't that be what you want?

--Susan--
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gina_taylor

I'm quite happy with my face, so I don't think that I'll be taking that route. A few guys that I've dated have told me that I have such perfect feminine fetures, like my lips or eyes, so from their point of view, I'll listen to them.  :) But that's very goo dpoint theer Julie about the fact that when you do have extensive FFS work done, you are changing your face from what you used to look like, and that there are a lot of people that you knew that won't recognize you.

Love Gina
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Melissa

I've thought about FFS in the past, but I'm pretty happy with how my face looks right now and as long as people are accepting of me, I see no real need to spend thousands of dollars to change it.

Melissa
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Julie Marie

Quote from: SusanK on December 18, 2006, 06:42:27 AMGee, like Kenny Rogers? Look at the before and after photos of his facial surgery.
--Susan--

That made me think of Bruce Jenner.  He went from having a male nose to a very female one.  It totally changed his face.  His nose is way too small.  He doesn't look like the same person.  I think it hurt his looks.

That's what would be my biggest concern, would the surgeon make alterations in your face where you lose your 'identity'?  I've been looking at this face for 55 years.  A dramatic change, where there was no trace of the old me, would be very unsettling.  I'd want to have traits that are common in the women in our family, not just look like 'some' woman.

Julie
When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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melissa90299

The way I figure it, after the swelling goes down. I will  look the way I was supposed to look only more feminine, like Julie and Melissa, (and others here) I was blessed with a v ery deminine face pre-FFS. SF is ground zero for trans-awarenss and having pretty face but with male features just doesn't cut it here. I too had that worry about losing my identity. It is really an irrational fear. Let's say one was 100 lbs overweight, would one worry about losing the weight because it would make their face dramatically different? Sometimes some of these fears are more or less rationalization.

One thing that needs to be considered is that trans awareness will become more and more prevalent as time goes by, Dr. O told me about several cases in which transwomen had been living for years as feamle, suddnely started getting "sirred" so after living as much as twenty years as female, they decided that they needed FFS.


I was watching Dr Drew the other day on sexual attraction and a Professor from UCLA was mentioning the things that men look for in women. She said first men look at waist to hip ratio, then fullness of lips, after that, a soft jaw line. I was in denial about my jaw, I looked dramatically more feminine witht the forehead and other stuff but the jaw really bugged me. As the sweilling is going down, I can really start to see the difference it's going to make (Dr O saw it before the swelling and said I am going to look really great)

For people like me Pre-ffs, Julie and Melissa,who don't  have the severe brow bossing, the jawline can make a big difference, I chose Dr O because I don't want anyone but the best mesing with my face but there are a lot of surgeons who can do sliding genioplasties, probably very well and without spending a fortune.
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cindianna_jones

Heaven knows that my face ain't perfect.  Personally, I would like to have a few things done. But....

I have a life with history and many friends and acquaintances.  I really don't want a new look for it may generate more questions than I'd like to deal with.   I feel the same way about a tracheal shave.  People have gotten used to the way I look.  And if they do know, because of my neck bump, then I am very lucky indeed to have such great friends.

Besides, at this point in my life, I'd rather be buying toys than have my face done.

Chin up!

cindi

;)
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Sheila

I know that there are a few things I would like done, but I really don't want anymore surgery. It isn't the money as I have enough to do the work and have some implants done. I just don't want anymore surgery. I feel I look fine, people call me by the fem. pronouns so why should I change what I already have. As far as not recognizing me. Some of the people I have worked with and for don't recognize me now. Just today, I was in the store to pick up my meds and the lady who has known me for quite a few years didn't recognize me for a second or two as I had my hair pulled back. She had never seen me with my hair pulled back and I guess it through her for a loop. That didn't cost me any money at all. So I like me.
Sheila
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Melissa

Melissa, you make some excellent point such as where you live and what men look for.  The thing is, either people accept me or they don't read me currently.  Personally I don't care since I am treated how I want to be treated.  Both men and women express attraction to me and I really don't want to alter that.  One of my biggest reasons against FFS, is afterwards I may look like a straight woman and then other women would stop giving me the kind of attention I like.  With my current weight and the shape of my jaw, it has the effect of making my face come off as more rounded.  I'm actually quite heppy with almost all elements of how I appear.  Why fix what isn't broken?  It would cost lots of money and it is unknown whether the final results would be satisfactory or not.  By results, I don't mean whether I look female or not, but rather how I am perceived in general.  I've already started relaxing on my voice a bit, because I am feeling more comfortable doing so and not caring as much whether I am read or not.  Sorry, but that's just how I feel about my own personal situation.

If it is right for somebody else, I say go for it.  I believe that in general acceptance is coming around and if people realize that some of the people who do pass are TS, it may help shape attitudes for the better.  I am trying to just be me and not emulate a woman.  If I come across as a woman, so be it, if not, then oh well.  It seems to be a much less stressful way of living.

Melissa
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melissa90299

Quote from: Cindianna_Jones on December 18, 2006, 05:56:13 PMHeaven knows that my face ain't perfect.  Personally, I would like to have a few things done. But....

I have a life with history and many friends and acquaintances.  I really don't want a new look for it may generate more questions than I'd like to deal with.   I feel the same way about a tracheal shave.  People have gotten used to the way I look.  And if they do know, because of my neck bump, then I am very lucky indeed to have such great friends.

Besides, at this point in my life, I'd rather be buying toys than have my face done.

Chin up!

cindi

;)

This, of course, is a personal choice. There a lot of reasons to have this done or not have this done. Some are rational, some are not so rational or, let's say, unjustified fears. After my first procedure, I got of comments, like did I get my hair done, did you lose a lot more weight, one person asked me if I had had a nose job, which was the one thing I didn't have done.

I was "born a woman" (baby girl actually) I have always been a woman or a girl, IMO opinion, the whole point of transitioning is to have the outer match the inner. If HRT can accomplish that, great. (Heck, I even hear of people who try to transition without HRT!) One last thing, I cannot remember reading of a single person who had  FFS that wasn't botched who regretted having it done. Most say it dramatically and completely changed their lives. Count me among those.
Posted on: December 18, 2006, 06:21:05 PM
Melissa, based on your photos, you look fine. You don't have to be sorry that I think a contoured jawline would make you look even more foxy. Funny that you mention the attractiveness to gay female thing, lesbian women seemed to very attracted to my pre-FFS face too.

When I traveled to San Francisco by truck from Miami, (two years ago) I was really worried that I would be arrested using the ladies rooms in places like Mississippi and Alabama ( I still had M on my DL) To my surprise, when I stoppped off for gas at these convenience store places, I would ask the clerk where the rest room was and they would say, "the ladies room is right over there, ma'am" That really shocked me.

OTOH when I arrived in San Francisco, the first clerk I encountered called me SIR!!!
Go figure!



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Kate

Quote from: Melissa on December 18, 2006, 06:17:50 PMI am trying to just be me and not emulate a woman.  If I come across as a woman, so be it, if not, then oh well.  It seems to be a much less stressful way of living.

I love your way of thinking. I'm surprised to find that I'm beginning to think this way too, even though I'm only in the "looking weird" phase.  I used to think that there was NO way I could do this unless I passed unambiguously 100% of the time... but now I'm beginning to think that as long as *I* am happy with how I look, what people think just isn't as important as I once thought it'd be.

Kate
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Melissa

Quote from: Kate on December 18, 2006, 06:39:10 PM
...but now I'm beginning to think that as long as *I* am happy with how I look, what people think just isn't as important as I once thought it'd be.
Sounds like you got it. :)

Melissa
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tgirljuliewilson

Speaking only for myself, I want to have a feminine face--one that is instantly recognized as female--regardless of where I am.  Whether it be the shopping mall, the restaurant, or the post office, I want to be recognized as a female, facially, by body type, by voice, THE WHOLE PACKAGE.

If FFS will give me that --and I have no illusions as to what it takes--then I am more that willing to go through whatever it takes to be presentable to the American public as a woman.
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LynnER

I still eventualy want FFS..... I dont want a totaly new face... I have a pretty good imagination and photoshop and pretty much figured out what I wanted done...  Just the basics...

I want my brow ridge shaved down for personal, not passing reasons... I like the overall shape of my jawline and chin, just not the harshness of the angles... I want it shaved and rounded/softened rather than the current squareness of it... (but I dont want to alter it greatly and change the shape of my face overall)

I might get my nose narrowed to go with all that....

Durring the browridge shave I may or may not ask for a slight brow lift  kinda dobut it though....

and finaly a trach shave to knock off that little bump that could one day give me away if I look too far up or something  :)

By my estimates, Id end up with a very clasic look similar to Kira Knightly  heheheheh  *Hugs*

Chances are by the time I can afford all that I wont be interested anymore LoL, but thats life.
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melissa90299

Quote from: LynnER on December 20, 2006, 03:45:38 PM
I still eventualy want FFS..... I dont want a totaly new face... I have a pretty good imagination and photoshop and pretty much figured out what I wanted done...  Just the basics...

I want my brow ridge shaved down for personal, not passing reasons... I like the overall shape of my jawline and chin, just not the harshness of the angles... I want it shaved and rounded/softened rather than the current squareness of it... (but I dont want to alter it greatly and change the shape of my face overall)

I might get my nose narrowed to go with all that....

Durring the browridge shave I may or may not ask for a slight brow lift  kinda dobut it though....

and finaly a trach shave to knock off that little bump that could one day give me away if I look too far up or something  :)

By my estimates, Id end up with a very clasic look similar to Kira Knightly  heheheheh  *Hugs*

Chances are by the time I can afford all that I wont be interested anymore LoL, but thats life.

Your jawline and chin (from the current avatar anyway looking unusualle feminine, can't really see your nose, your upper lip is unusually short (feminine) too. You look pretty IMO.  A scalp reduction, brow lift, rhinoplasty and forehead contour would make you look absolutley stunning, you might as well get the upper lip done too I guess Dr O would charge around 20k for that, but that is barely more than the price of new compact car.
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melissa90299

Well, my "new" face is taking shape to the point that I now know what I will look like three-six months from now when things really settle in. I still feel like I have the essence of my old face, I feel like I look like the way i was supposed to look all along. And when I look in the mirror, I see a woman.

That is the most important thing to me.
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