No matter what I seem to do...I appear either female or butch female...but always female. It's extremely rare that someone mistakes me for male or doesn't know what sex I am.
Thusly...I don't try much. I wear what's comfortable for me. This usually includes a mix of mens clothes, "boyfriend" style women's clothes, or outright women's clothes.

Quote from: phx_rising on December 24, 2010, 11:50:41 AM
No matter what I seem to do...I appear either female or butch female...but always female. It's extremely rare that someone mistakes me for male or doesn't know what sex I am.
Thusly...I don't try much. I wear what's comfortable for me. This usually includes a mix of mens clothes, "boyfriend" style women's clothes, or outright women's clothes.

I'd assume that what matters most in the end is own comfort in terms of the basic clothes comfort. What I noticed is that the less I tried to look androgynous and the more I focused on simple feeling comfortable in my clothes the more androgynous I became in other's perception.
I suppose my keyword in this story is: comfort.. But alas, that's not exactly the easiest road to find and travel.

I'm mixing between boys and girls clothing and sometimes combining the both, but I guess that fits with where I identify (somewhere between female and androgyne) so I definitely dress gender queer.

I've posted on this thread before, but wanted to share my more recent androgyne looks to everyone. I had an androgyne pic on page 2, but I think this is a far more androgynous look than that I believe:

Wow Lexine, you look great! 

I dress in mostly male clothes, probably because I hate being read as female.  But I dress in kind of feminine versions, like skinny jeans, fingerless opera gloves...I have a trench coat now, too.

Lexine, have come across your pics on here and your facebook avatar and although i know some andro folk like to come across as not looking like one or another gender, but to me you have that look of being able to being what ever gender you want to be. It must be great to be able to wake up in the morning and decide what sex you are going to be for that day.

Quote from: LilDoberman on January 03, 2011, 05:58:40 AM
Wow Lexine, you look great!

Thanks! Worked real hard on getting it down, but I think I got it!

Quote from: shelly on January 04, 2011, 04:35:47 AM
Lexine, have come across your pics on here and your facebook avatar and although i know some andro folk like to come across as not looking like one or another gender, but to me you have that look of being able to being what ever gender you want to be. It must be great to be able to wake up in the morning and decide what sex you are going to be for that day.

From my understanding, the definition of androgyny encompasses looking like both or neither gender, so I felt that androgyny was a more appropriate way to describe me and my personality. For a bit I thought I was bigender, but realized that I just wasn't that polar that I can only be one or the other gender at a given time. Because of my androgyny, I am able to be any gender I want at any given time, and I'm not locked into deciding what I'd be for that particular day. In fact, I think I've gotten more guys opening doors for me as an androgyne than when I was in full girl mode and I wasn't even trying to present as a girl. How funny is that?

With that said, I wonder if you all can narrow down what my biological gender is.

Quote from: Lexine on January 04, 2011, 01:14:56 PM
With that said, I wonder if you all can narrow down what my biological gender is.

If you're asking what I think was on your original birth certificate, I'd go with male with a fair bit of certainty.   If I'm right, do I get a cookie?

Quote from: LilDoberman on January 04, 2011, 02:13:25 PM
If you're asking what I think was on your original birth certificate, I'd go with male with a fair bit of certainty.

Fair bit of certainty? Hehe

Ok, that can be taken two totally different ways.  I had a reply to the dirty version, then changed to a clean version which I'll leave here.  If you meant the more explicit version, you can buy me a beer instead of a cookie

Ok, that's a "bit" oxymoronic.

Drunk posting; it's not just for kids anymore

Quote from: Helena on September 06, 2010, 01:20:41 PM
I am slowly dressing in a more feminine way, but to be honest it's more the female equivalent of what i used to wear rather than a paradigm shift into girly girly mode.

That's more or less what ivpe found my self doing as well it's more comfortable and fits my style. I also don't fell like I am trying to not be me, I can't help it I love jeans and tshirts. And mixing both girls and boys clothing helps me feel comfortable in more andro or fem.

Quote from: Lexine on January 04, 2011, 01:14:56 PM


From my understanding, the definition of androgyny encompasses looking like both or neither gender,

Just started a new thread after seeing this and others that i have found somewhat confusing, see my definition of androgyny is how someone feels inside, looks wise well i dont really care. I wear womens clothes on a daily basis, but obviously only the labels state they are womens, to onlookers they are probably just look like normal blokes clothes, i also wear a lot of football (soccer) tops and wear a couple of girly earings and a matching necklace. Maybe i do come across as looking andro to others, but i certainly dont go out my way to look like this.

I dont know, maybe this andro word has loads of different meanings and everyone is right.

Quote from: LilDoberman on January 04, 2011, 02:13:25 PM
If you're asking what I think was on your original birth certificate, I'd go with male with a fair bit of certainty.

And im just as certain that your birth certificate reads female, as i cant see a lot of adams apple in your pics, mind you maybe the one with the scarf is hiding this, na still think your a girl.

Hi all, I'm sorry if this post is too old to be resurrecting (I'm thinking not)?  I just didn't feel like starting a new thread when this is basically the topic I want anyways.

I don't *feel* androgyne very much at all, but what I do feel is that I like to look presentable as best I can, and it seems that with my body size shape, hair, face and the whole physical package that I end up appearing androgynous in my fashion anyway.  I browse mens and womens sections like a lot of you I'm sure, and try to find things that work best for 'me' gender not included.  As much as I love ruffles and lace and dresses, they just make my physical form look more unattractive so they are out of question, and I'd rather look 'ok' and deal with not dressing super feminine then end up wearing clothes that make me look awkward due to my features.  I wonder if any of you have felt anything similar?

It didn't used to be this way either.  There was a period of time I was very hung up about having only female clothing...  Now I dress to look nice with things that flatter me, instead of dress to look 'female' (which I didn't look btw) with things that looked strange on my physique.

Quote from: Lexine on January 04, 2011, 01:14:56 PM
In fact, I think I've gotten more guys opening doors for me as an androgyne than when I was in full girl mode and I wasn't even trying to present as a girl. How funny is that?

I get this as well somehow... Although I really don't understand it.  For me it's mostly due to having zero chance of passing when wearing really 'girly' clothing, and at least a *little* chance when looking androgynous.  At least that's the way I see it  =/

Quote from: Snoeball on January 12, 2011, 09:55:13 PM
As much as I love ruffles and lace and dresses, they just make my physical form look more unattractive so they are out of question, and I'd rather look 'ok' and deal with not dressing super feminine then end up wearing clothes that make me look awkward due to my features.  I wonder if any of you have felt anything similar?

I really haven't felt anything like that at all, though I can remember when I strongly opposed wearing dresses thinking that a sundress and those sequined gowns are the only available dresses for me. Over time my friend showed me that I could still wear dresses without compromising my identity as an individual and felt a little bit more comfortable with those types of clothes. I think in that sense you just have to have feedback and figure out how the clothes work. There's a reason why women have more of a selection of clothes than men, and that's because women come in different shapes and sizes and stores need to cater to all those - hence, more clothes.

Quote from: Snoeball on January 12, 2011, 09:55:13 PM
Now I dress to look nice with things that flatter me, instead of dress to look 'female' (which I didn't look btw) with things that looked strange on my physique.

This is kind of how I am right now. I go to both aisles for men and women when I shop and think of my wardrobe at home. Though when I shop I assign a "gender value" to each piece and imagine how I can feminize or masculanize (is this even a word?) it. If I can work with it, I buy it. I think it's good that you have a sense of what will look good on you, but you might need to experiment  on it more.

Quote from: Snoeball on January 12, 2011, 09:55:13 PM
I get this as well somehow... Although I really don't understand it.  For me it's mostly due to having zero chance of passing when wearing really 'girly' clothing, and at least a *little* chance when looking androgynous.  At least that's the way I see it  =/

Maybe you're just more comfortable looking androgynous and some of your feminine characteristics are actually let out instead of worrying about how you look? I know for a fact that your view of yourself affects your behavior outside (this is a constant for anybody, not just trans people) so maybe all this worrying is inhibiting your behavior in some way.

Passing, to me, is an average accepted standard that a segment of society expects for a particular gender to present themselves. Keep in mind that it's an average, meaning not everyone will have the same standard. With this in mind, my observations of society's average standards of a female are quite simple: Long hair, an appearance of a shapely body, and a protruding chest area. Once these are "violated" in some ways, it becomes more difficult to guess the gender of said person (i.e. overweight and underweight people, people with long hair, clothes or clothes combinations that provide a shapely figure).

And no, I don't advocate starving yourself or overeating to break these rules.

Quote from: Lexine on January 13, 2011, 05:46:35 PM
I really haven't felt anything like that at all, though I can remember when I strongly opposed wearing dresses thinking that a sundress and those sequined gowns are the only available dresses for me. Over time my friend showed me that I could still wear dresses without compromising my identity as an individual and felt a little bit more comfortable with those types of clothes. I think in that sense you just have to have feedback and figure out how the clothes work. There's a reason why women have more of a selection of clothes than men, and that's because women come in different shapes and sizes and stores need to cater to all those - hence, more clothes.

It's not that I worry about compromising my identity, as my identity is very firmly in place... It's that I feel the more 'feminine' I go with my wardrobe the more masculine it tends to make my body look.  Imagine an angular structure that is being draped with cloth.  The thinner or more sparse the material used to drape it, the more the underlying structure stands out.  If too thick and dense of a covering is used, it may hide the structure better, but it simply makes the structure look large and bulky.  I aim to find a balance with the cloth so to say...   I am very aware of how the clothes 'work' for me, which is why I have such an issue with wearing uber-fem type articles. It's because they do not work for me.  Then again I should mention that I am at an awkward middle ground of transition, so *hopefully* given more time my feeling toward feminine clothing will evolve with my body?

Thank you for your input, by the way, Lexine  =)

Quote from: LilDoberman on August 17, 2010, 09:02:30 AM
Just wondering if any of you feel the need to also look androgynous and if so, what do you do to present outwardly how you feel?  Also, a bit of an uplifting question; what is your favorite part of your body?  What do you love about yourself?  What do you find difficult about appearing androgynous?

I usually wear things that fit my body yet dont give it away entirely, for instance skinny jeans that hang off me.

My favourite part of my body is my hips and legs and bum. That area of my body is so perfectly androgynous, curvy yet i have a flat bum and narrow hips. Also I like my nose, its big which means i dont fit into what is considered the norm for feminine beauty.

The hardest thing I find is I have a round face with no defined jaw line even tho I am quite slim.