Quote from: JamesChristopher on March 28, 2011, 03:40:29 AM
I would say pansexual. I've been attracted to men, women, non-binaries ... I'll be honest, I'm attracted to a lot of people of varying genders and orientations.

Also, quinn, you asked "I'll be bisexual (or pansexual; what exactly is the difference?).". The difference is that bisexual people are attracted to only two genders (say, male and female, or agender and female, or genderqueer and androgyne, etc., etc.), whereas someone who is pansexual is attracted to all genders. For instance, I have a friend who is attracted to both men and women, so she identifies as bisexual. I've been attracted to people of every different gender that I've encountered, so I identify as pansexual. There are also people who are trisexual or quadsexual, depending on how many of the various genders they are attracted to. So, someone who is attracted to men, women, and agender individuals would be trisexual, and so on and so forth.

I don't get this. I'm not attracted to genders, I'm attracted to people. I'm gay because I'm only attracted to people with male bodies: cis male, transitioned hormonally-male FTM, pre-transition hormonally-male MTF, male-bodied androgynes. Anybody whose system runs on T has a chance to trip my switch. That's three or four genders (at least), but I'm not tri- or quadrisexual, I'm just gay. The fact that gender is irrelevant to my sex drive means that I can be attracted to a pre-transition trans woman, but I won't start a relationship with her, because if she transitions, I'll cease to be attracted as soon as she starts to smell female, because I'm quite conventionally gay. Most people's sexualities, or at least most men's, work like mine.

Making sexuality about gender is not only inaccurate for most people - it's also offensive because it 'others' trans people. It implies that one has to be something other than straight/gay/bi in order to be attracted to a trans* spectrum person (or at least to a non-binary trans* person, depending on how you define the genders). Which isn't true. Plenty of trans* people have partners who are straight/gay/bi, and those partners are under no obligation to redefine their sexuality just because they're attracted to someone who doesn't fit in the conventional binary.

Quote from: JamesChristopher on March 28, 2011, 03:40:29 AM
I would say pansexual. I've been attracted to men, women, non-binaries ... I'll be honest, I'm attracted to a lot of people of varying genders and orientations.

Also, quinn, you asked "I'll be bisexual (or pansexual; what exactly is the difference?).". The difference is that bisexual people are attracted to only two genders (say, male and female, or agender and female, or genderqueer and androgyne, etc., etc.), whereas someone who is pansexual is attracted to all genders. For instance, I have a friend who is attracted to both men and women, so she identifies as bisexual. I've been attracted to people of every different gender that I've encountered, so I identify as pansexual. There are also people who are trisexual or quadsexual, depending on how many of the various genders they are attracted to. So, someone who is attracted to men, women, and agender individuals would be trisexual, and so on and so forth.

I'm bisexual and I would date any gender. Kyril makes a very valid point, I've often been bothered by how that system assumes that non-binary identities require certain sexual orientations to include them. I'm genderqueer FTM with frequent androgynous presentation/identification, does that mean someone bisexual wouldn't date me? For the most part, I look/sound/smell male. I still have female genitals, so some straight or gay individuals might have reservations about having sex with me. The non-binary things are presentation and personality, and otherwise, it's a matter of sexual attraction and it still falls in the realm of male/female.

I'm glad there are people who care enough about the issue to declare their identity as pansexual, because I know it's well intentioned. And when I notice someone identifying as pan, it's a bit of a relief because that explicitly states they have awareness of non-binary issues and they're fine with it. But there is a significant amount of overlap between pansexual and bisexual, and there's not enough of a difference that I feel the need to say I'm pan rather than bi.

I mostly say i'm bi because it's easier for me as a shy person as I don't normally need to explain it but I do identify as pan simply because i'm attracted to men, women and non binary people. I am partly attracted to genders as someones gender is part of them and to some it's a very important part of them and to say things like you're gender blind etc can piss them off and understandably so.

Why would it piss someone off to say you're gender blind? It's not like I don't give a crap what my partner's gender is, but I don't choose dating prospects based on gender. My gender is important to me, as important as any other aspect of my identity. "Genderblind" doesn't bother me any more than "racially blind." I'm proud of my heritage, but I don't want people to be specifically attracted to the fact that I happen to be part Latino.

but race does change your looks somtimes and people mite prefer the look of say asians over african americans or somthing like that. but i understand what you are saying.
for me gender does play a role because im straight so im not attracted to men, but if i were attracted to a man then its not like i would stop myself from dating them. im not sure if that made total sense but whatever.

I used to think people of colour wanted a colour blind world but after following a few on tumblr I've found out some people of colour hate when people say they are colour blind etc as their colour is part of them.

Truthfully that's not being pan...

Pan does not mean you are attracted to all genders, actually pan means you don't have a type.

Pan means being completely blind of physical appearance and falling in love or being attracted to someone's mental being.

Just saying.

Bisexual doesn't refer to two genders that someone just picks, it is just male and female or men and women only. I KNOW bi means two, but for someone to identify as bisexual, they are emphasizing the difference between man and woman genders (and their male or female sex organs) and claiming they are sexually attracted to both.
Someone who is pansexual doesn't care to divide and emphasize not only of the gender but also the sex organ that person has.

Quote from: Andrew T on March 28, 2011, 11:54:21 PM
Truthfully that's not being pan...

Pan does not mean you are attracted to all genders, actually pan means you don't have a type.

Pan means being completely blind of physical appearance and falling in love or being attracted to someone's mental being.

Just saying.

You're wrong pansexual means you're attracted to all genders.

From wiki:
"Pansexuality (also referred to as omnisexuality)[1] is a popular term referring to the feeling that one has the potential for sexual attractions, sexual desire, or romantic love, towards people of all gender identities and biological sexes"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pansexuality

Also read this FAQ page from Pansexual Pride - http://pansexualpride.tumblr.com/post/345292070/queers-united-diversity-lesson-101-pansexuality It clearly says that pansexuals can have types.

One thing that I think this semantic discussion is revealing is that there are multiple things being referred to as sexual orientation.

Is orientation about who you are physically attracted to and want to sleep with?
Is orientation about who you are emotionally or romantically drawn to for falling in love or intimacy?

For many people, these are nicely aligned. For some people, they might not be. Those describing pansexuality are often speaking on the "intimacy/emotional attachment" spectrum, whereas other people are often talking about the former.

This is why researchers trying to label people with sexual orientation have come up with terms and phrases to account for the differences here. For example, there are people who have same-sex partners for sexual encounters often enough to matter (e.g., for public health statistics), yet would never self-identify as bi, because they don't date same-sex and have no same-sex relationships.

I don't care how anyone labels themselves, but I do dislike the othering that happens when trans is treated as its own category.

I, like others who have mentioned here, don't ascribed to a specific gender but rather to the person themselves: they could be MTF, FTM, cisgendered, or.. whatever. I find society puts too much on the "normative", whether it's gender or sexual orientation (whether the drive is love or lust)

Quote from: Sean on March 29, 2011, 10:46:46 AM
One thing that I think this semantic discussion is revealing is that there are multiple things being referred to as sexual orientation.

Is orientation about who you are physically attracted to and want to sleep with?
Is orientation about who you are emotionally or romantically drawn to for falling in love or intimacy?

For many people, these are nicely aligned. For some people, they might not be. Those describing pansexuality are often speaking on the "intimacy/emotional attachment" spectrum, whereas other people are often talking about the former.

That's what irritates me sometimes about myself. As it stands right now, if I wasn't with my current girlfriend, I can't imagine myself ever wanting to have sex with another girl. If I had the right bits though, I think that might be different. I'm still physically attracted to women (cis and trans) but I haven't found other personalities that do anything for me. It's the total opposite with guys. I'm finding myself more attracted to guys (again, cis, trans and everything in between) but on both physical and personality levels.
So, I've got no clue wtf is up with me. There's probably a lot of other weird, personal factors that I'm leaving out but eh...just wanted to toss my 2 cents in again.

Quote from: Nathan. on March 29, 2011, 09:03:22 AM
You're wrong pansexual means you're attracted to all genders.

Well, none of us our wrong, these are all stated opinions, but I'm not relating to PC definitions of Pansexuality, I'm refering too the belief behind Pan. Either way we will not agree, going on facts. Yet also, would including all genders be the same as not being attracted to just one gender?

And yes, they can have a type, I'm not saying that being Pan means you can't I'm saying the type is not definitive to the attraction.

Quote from: N.Chaos on March 29, 2011, 03:35:44 PM
That's what irritates me sometimes about myself. As it stands right now, if I wasn't with my current girlfriend, I can't imagine myself ever wanting to have sex with another girl. If I had the right bits though, I think that might be different. I'm still physically attracted to women (cis and trans) but I haven't found other personalities that do anything for me. It's the total opposite with guys. I'm finding myself more attracted to guys (again, cis, trans and everything in between) but on both physical and personality levels.
So, I've got no clue wtf is up with me. There's probably a lot of other weird, personal factors that I'm leaving out but eh...just wanted to toss my 2 cents in again.

I'm kinda the same, it doesn't irritate me though but i'd like to like women a bit more. My preference is for male bodied people and I'm attracted to them both emotionally and physically but with female bodied people and non binaries I'm mostly only physically attracted to them, I have no idea why that is.

To be bi or pan I feel you don't need to be both physically and emotionally attracted to two/all genders just as I think to be gay doesn't mean you have to be attracted to people of the same gender both physically and emotionally but that's just my opinion on it others may think differently.

Quote from: Nathan. on December 28, 2010, 02:02:18 PM
I'm pan but i'm mostly into guys. It's odd because at one point pre transition I was mostly into girls. 

I'm the exact same. I'm not joking, either. Being pansexual, being mostly into guys. Also being mostly into girls at one point, too.

I don't like to slap a label on my sexuality, though. So let's just go with I like who I like.

I can honestly say that I'm bisexual, even though I've never gotten intimate with guys.
I'm attracted to both the attributes of women and those of men.

I've always been attracted to men though looking back its more that I wanted to BE them rather than be WITH them. My sex with guys never felt quite right.

I have always ID'd as Bi though i've been with mostly women the past, say, 12 years....at this point, I like slightly butch / definitely athletic women, gay guys and FTMs. You could say I'm pansexual

I'm gay. I like men. I like other stuff too. But I kind of feel ashamed because people don't like it. I'm gay though. I like biological men and it embarrasses me to think being intimate with a guy means I'd be openly admiting what I am which bothers me and makes me jealous but I could never be with a girl I disgust myself. I feel ugly with these parts I'd never enjoy them on anyone else if I did I'd likely not have a problem with my own. I do like curves though but guys just have the sex appeal girls are just pretty dolls I'd like to dress up and doll up basically. Maybe a little amazing her boobs or butt but I just like the guys it's so much more intense. I don't go crazy over girls like I do with guys. I just don't. Like something chemically is missing with girls. And I'm pretty picky with guys. They're usually not too masculine or feminine but I really do like long hair hairy tall skinny I'm also a top more than a bottom which is kind of odd because I'm quite small to be a top. I am basically gay because I like only male bodies even though I like other genders but the body has to have been make at one point or partially at least male.

I feel though like I'll never be accepted as a guy though in that sense like with girls maybe it would be easier but a gay guy scares me and makes me jealous especially certain kinds more than any other guy. And I get so nervous. I go to the lgbt groups. They have a lesbian group a transgender group a youth group gay men's group and a bisexual group. I go to the transgender groups the youth groups and I wanted to go to the gay men's group. I had three different friends convince me to go all male born one was a transwoman another genderqueer and another a gay man. The first one asked me to meet her there. another said there were a few incentives there. Another told me to meet him there. and that's why I came this time. They allowed transwomen and on the site they said they included transmen. However, the receptionist kept telling me I could only go to the lesbian group. I had to lie and ask if she needed to see my birth certificate because I was born male. She finally let me in the whole time I was at the event I was really nervous the whole time because I hate being found out. Sometimes I feel like not trying because I think it's too hard to be what I feel I am. If only we had only souls this wouldn't even be a problem. This way I'll just never fit.

I'd rather be a straight girl than a straight guy but I hurt inside either way. I'm in the beginning of my transition. So I guess that's why.

QuoteIf only we had souls this wouldn't even be a problem. This way I'll just never fit.

We have souls. Why would you ever think we didn't?

Quote from: LordKAT on January 04, 2014, 03:17:33 AM
We have souls. Why would you ever think we didn't?

Meant if we only had souls.

If people didn't judge anyone by how they looked by their body. But by who they were. I wouldn't have any problem being who I am.