I was and so were all three of my boys.  It was considered a required procedure at the times.  But knowing what I know now, there is absolutely no reason for a non-Jewish male to be circumcised.  NONE.

If you are Jewish or of that faith, it is a sign of your covenant with your God.

Quote from: SandraJane on August 10, 2011, 08:40:30 AM
Still have mine, was circ'd, would have preferred not. Per the American Cancer Society it does not cause Cervical Cancer, health concerns though are...

For Infants, Toddlers and Elderly foreskin needs to be retracted and cleaned regularly. If not, the balanta/smickma/dick-cheese, will act as a glue and fuse the foreskin to the shaft. Disastasterous on the kiddo's, and a sign of Neglect in  the Elderly, extremely painful!

Um..in infants and toddlers the foreskin isn't able to retract and trying to retract it will hurt your child. Smegma actually acts as a lubricant and keeps the glans moist, not a glue.


Other things not related to my response to this post: There's a movement in Judaism against circumcision so religious reasons aren't very valid, either. For myself, I have a foreskin. I have smegma. Doesn't bother me nor anybody I hook up with.

Nygeel is right on this one.

* Um..in infants and toddlers the foreskin isn't able to retract and trying to retract it will hurt your child. *

Sorry, not at all in my experience with my son. A babies skin is quite flexible and retracting the foreskin does not hurt at all. ONLY if done much, much later and was never retracted before.
I taught my wife and she knew then, and there was no issue at all.

For those folks with non-neo-vaginas actually the same applies regards the foreskin (clithood) of the clitoris.
There are plenty folks that have un-orgasmia because the head of their clit can not get exposed due to the same issue as phimosis in the male organ. It ALSO can collect smegma under the clithood, harden and causing all sorts of problems.

I think in our western culture there seems this big issue to touch a child's genitals for cleaning, and often when a child's vag or penis itches, a sign of what we are talking about. The child then may not even touch there either. Welcome to twisted morals.

My 2 cents,
Axelle
PS: If a guy doesn't know how to wash his dick, he can take a walk... and real fast at that. He most probably doesn't know how to brush his teeth either. Yeak!

I would be too happy to care.

Meaning?

personally i dont care but i wouldnt get my kids circumcised because look what happened to david reimer. if i was born male i would have been circumcised as my dad and brothers are circumcised.

Quote from: Axélle on August 10, 2011, 10:29:43 AM
* Um..in infants and toddlers the foreskin isn't able to retract and trying to retract it will hurt your child. *

Sorry, not at all in my experience with my son. A babies skin is quite flexible and retracting the foreskin does not hurt at all. ONLY if done much, much later and was never retracted before.
I taught my wife and she knew then, and there was no issue at all.

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For those folks with bio-vaginas actually the same applies regards the foreskin (clithood) of the clitoris.
There are plenty folks that have un-orgasmia because the head of their clit can not get exposed due to the same issue as phimosis in the male organ. It ALSO can collect smegma under the clithood, harden and causing all sorts of problems.

Please don't say "bio-vagina" ever again.

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My 2 cents,
Axelle
PS: If a guy doesn't know how to wash his dick, he can take a walk... and real fast at that. He most probably doesn't know how to brush his teeth either. Yeak!

Just as a heads up...I would think that most or many trans guys don't know how to wash our dicks. I know I've been having trouble in figuring out how to clean myself down there. There's not enough info out there on how to take care of my bits...add to that not being too bendy and you've got a person who has physical problems preventing them from cleaning what they have.

Quote from: Nygeel on August 10, 2011, 10:05:52 AM
Um..in infants and toddlers the foreskin isn't able to retract and trying to retract it will hurt your child. Smegma actually acts as a lubricant and keeps the glans moist, not a glue.

I'm in healthcare and this is quite right.  A baby's foreskin should not be forcefully retracted.  Usually it will cause a lot of pain and possible scarring, interfering with retraction later in life.

I actually saw another nurse retract the foreskin of a 10-days-old baby.  It was absolutely horrible to watch and I regret not speaking up, but there were 3 other nurses in the room (one of which I was absolutely terrified of--she constantly made me feel like crap) who were my seniors.  The parents watched in horror and I could certainly understand why.  Retraction isn't necessary to locate the urethra for catheter insertion.  Nor is it needed to properly clean an infant's or young boy's penis.

On topic...I have a penis and I'm gratefully uncircumcised.  I would not give circumcised were it ever offered to me.   

OMG,
* Please don't say "bio-vagina" ever again. *

What's it with this now? So neo-vagina be just OK then, that will make it a non-neo-vagina?
I say... we ARE getting pretty entangled with all this PC stuff.
I shall correct it then.

Axelle
PS: never heard of pimosis due to non-retracted forskin in trans-guys after phalloplasty. Also I was talking in answer to the post that inferred preference to circumsized guys and lack of cleaning by guys with foreskin. Surely meaning non-phalloplasty penises.

Quote from: Axélle on August 10, 2011, 11:03:36 AM
OMG,
* Please don't say "bio-vagina" ever again. *

I what's it with this now? So neo-vagina be just OK then, that will make it a non-neo-vagina?
I say... we ARE getting pretty entangled with all this PC stuff.
I shall correct it then.

Axelle

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It's not now, it's something that always has been with me. AFAB works...'cause, ya know...you're not talking about a vagina, and having a vagina or being born with a vagina is not part of what you're discussing. Plus there are a lot of "non-vagina bearers" who are assigned female at birth and have external genitals that closely resemble a clitoris, vulva, etc.

It's not about being "PC" it's about realizing that what you're saying is offensive to people.

Please educate me some more if you will.

You are saying that the word vagina in any form or fashion is banned on the FtM thread. Like it does not, or may not exist? Is that what you're implying?

I really try to get this right.

Axelle

Quote from: Axélle on August 10, 2011, 11:26:55 AM
Please educate me some more if you will.

You are saying that the word vagina in any form or fashion is banned on the FtM thread. Like it does not, or may not exist? Is that what you're implying?

I really try to get this right.

Axelle

No, I'm not. I'm saying that for the purpose of this discussion "vagina" is completely inaccurate to use. The phrase "assigned female at birth" works a lot better in this situation and in most situations because as I had said a lot of people that you might identify as having "bio-vaginas" might not actually have that. On top of that, there's a whole lot of screwy stuff with identifying something as bio(logical) since all of us are biological...heck, I could argue that I'm biologically male because I have a mostly testosterone body and since I'm biological and testosterone is biological...

Nygeel,

OK, "assigned female at birth" genital it then is. I'll try to remember.

Maybe for your own insight, we are sharing, yes?
Neo-vagina is a completely exceptable, practically ONLY term for what is between our (MtF) legs after SRS.

To call is just vagina is as much OK for us, and nobody would really insist on the neo- bit of it.

Knowing this, and talking about an "assigned female at birth genital" is 5 words to get around the one I simply would have thought made it quite clear, - that we not talking about a neo-vagina, but the "assigned female at birth genital".

Somethings do come easier then others, eh.

Axelle

Quote from: Axélle on August 10, 2011, 11:54:17 AM
Nygeel,

OK, "assigned female at birth" genital it then is. I'll try to remember.

Maybe for your own insight, we are sharing, yes?
Neo-vagina is a completely exceptable, practically ONLY term for what is between our (MtF) legs after SRS.

To call is just vagina is as much OK for us, and nobody would really insist on the neo- bit of it.

Knowing this, and talking about an "assigned female at birth genital" is 5 words to get around the one I simply would have thought made it quite clear, - that we not talking about a neo-vagina, but the "assigned female at birth genital".

Somethings do come easier then others, eh.

Axelle

"non-neo vagina" could mean a AMAB (assigned male at birth) bits, a neo-phallus, AFAB bits...could mean a lot of things. Again, we're not discussing vaginas. We're talking about a clitoris and vulva. And with what I said before, no all people who are AFAB or have bits that are considered a clitoris have vaginas.

Ways to phrase it: genitals of somebody AFAB.

Nygeel
* "non-neo-vagina" could mean a AMAB (assigned male at birth) bits *

No it wouldn't, because then a "non-neo-anything" would then just mean the same (AMAB), which it doesn't. That is FALSE in terms of logic.

Next, and we still sharing... for some reason most everyone and his uncle uses the term vagina and meaning more likely vagina, and vulva with clitoris. Why?
I guess it just so happened, gets too long to be specific. Actually who really cares, I ask?

Also it gets real long again because we do not (MtF) only get a neo-vagina after SRS but OF COURSE also a neo-vulva and neo-clitoris. But nobody ever uses those terms at all.
And to boot we also get a neo-clitoris and NOBODY uses that term either. So?

Then there's a bio-female, genetic-female also.
That would imply that bio-female be also an insult?? Really?
Again that be a new one for me.

We mostly refer to bio-female as GG = Genetic Girl and Trans-Female as TG Trans Girl.
Both terms are perfectly fine and I never heard this to be insulting either.
And so BTW trans man... at least on our side of the "fence".

So, is Bio-female OK?
If it is I still don't quite get your issue that started this dialogue.

See what you can tell,
Axelle
PS: Why not just call all that stuff what it is and not go through all these convolutions? If I be said to have a bio-penis right now by an (FtM), I guess that be true. And I REALLY have a hard time to feel offended. But then it could be that's just me --- I don't know.

Quote from: Adio on August 10, 2011, 10:59:06 AM
I'm in healthcare and this is quite right.  A baby's foreskin should not be forcefully retracted.  Usually it will cause a lot of pain and possible scarring, interfering with retraction later in life.

I actually saw another nurse retract the foreskin of a 10-days-old baby.  It was absolutely horrible to watch and I regret not speaking up, but there were 3 other nurses in the room (one of which I was absolutely terrified of--she constantly made me feel like crap) who were my seniors.  The parents watched in horror and I could certainly understand why.  Retraction isn't necessary to locate the urethra for catheter insertion.  Nor is it needed to properly clean an infant's or young boy's penis.

Exactly! My first experience was my first day in the Pedi-ER, had done only Adults for the prior 3 yrs, my preceptor never mentioned any precautions, later when I was on my on, went to my Manager about because it was eating at me, and she had no clue! Never, ever been brought up before! Nobody talks about it! I suspect that some of toddlers had never had the foreskin retracted before.

You say retraction isn't needed for cath insertion? PM me.

I haven't got the spoons for this argument.

Nygeel,
* I haven't got the spoons for this argument. *

Meaning?

I'm not familiar with this expression.

An Americanism?

Sorry to sound daft,
Axelle

Quote from: Axélle on August 10, 2011, 01:02:40 PM
Nygeel,
* I haven't got the spoons for this argument. *

Meaning?

I'm not familiar with this expression.

An Americanism?

Sorry to sound daft,
Axelle

Look up spoon theory.