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Well, the lie is out

Started by foot_lover_jess, October 17, 2011, 09:15:29 PM

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foot_lover_jess

Quote from: Fighter Sadie on October 18, 2011, 08:50:12 AM
I'm really truly sorry this had to happen. Did you discuss with her why you lied? Did you explain to her how much you still love her? You need to go through all the stops if you still want her. On the other hand, what's more important, you being your true self or her?

I'm really sorry for saying this, and I truly hate to but...sometimes when you love something, you have to let it go...

We're here for you no matter what happens. Don't lose heart.
I did. Because of my depression. yes.
every other word is how much I love. She says lies.
I've told her I'll stop. test my blood

I know hun. I've accepted her leaving. Its this pergatory that I can't take. The loss. The pain. The emotions.
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foot_lover_jess

Quote from: Fighter Sadie on October 18, 2011, 08:55:09 AM
Is that what really matters to her? Does the gender of the person she loved really matter that much? I'm sorry, but if she really loves or loved you then your gender shouldn't matter. Period.
It does.
She's a genetisist... XY = male
She is cis...
It's just that simple. (simple if you don't understand trans)
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Fighter

I seriously suggest trying to get some type of mediator between you two, either a therapist or a counselor of some sort. Maybe you two should have some time to yourselves to think things over. This will be much easier to handle when the dust of the initial shock settles.

I believe in you. No matter what anyone tells you, you are a human being with limitless potential, the power to withstand the pain of a thousand deaths and to bring mountains crumbling down. This pain will never last forever, and you will come out of it stronger.
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SandraJane

Hi Jess,

Hopefully no children or property involved if this comes to divorce. Annah has a good suggestion to get her into a session with your therapist, might help to save the relationship.

Okay, now you're "Guilty" as charged! Worst punishment to be handed out...no Short-Sharp-Shock today! Long grueling and agonizing!

Could go on, and on, and on...

On the practical side, make sure you have money to tide yourself over, and keep track of what assets the two of you have acquired for whenever you end up in Divorce Court. Yes its painful, but these are inescapable practical matters you will have to face sooner or later (better sooner).

Time to go...yes it hurts and you will have plenty of time to "flog" yourself, better now than 10-20 yrs from now! There will be your family to deal with also...more support the better!

And hang on...

Hugz,

SJ

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tekla

Pray for the best but plan for the worst.  Get a lawyer now.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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foot_lover_jess

Quote from: SandraJane on October 18, 2011, 09:05:40 AM
Hi Jess,

Hopefully no children or property involved if this comes to divorce. Annah has a good suggestion to get her into a session with your therapist, might help to save the relationship.

Okay, now you're "Guilty" as charged! Worst punishment to be handed out...no Short-Sharp-Shock today! Long grueling and agonizing!

Could go on, and on, and on...

On the practical side, make sure you have money to tide yourself over, and keep track of what assets the two of you have acquired for whenever you end up in Divorce Court. Yes its painful, but these are inescapable practical matters you will have to face sooner or later (better sooner).

Time to go...yes it hurts and you will have plenty of time to "flog" yourself, better now than 10-20 yrs from now! There will be your family to deal with also...more support the better!

And hang on...

Hugz,

SJ

.... 8yo daughter. 1yo twin males, house, cars... 11 Years of a life and 10 of marriage...
All is joint now, nothing is seperate.
There are no savings to fall on, to get though with. It all went to bills and student loans.
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foot_lover_jess

Quote from: tekla on October 18, 2011, 09:09:54 AM
Pray for the best but plan for the worst.  Get a lawyer now.
I have no interest in maintaining anything from his life. She will need it all to support her family.
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Gabby

Jess, you've done nothing intentionally to hurt your wife you must remember that.  And as a parent you must provide for your children, you are not a 'second type' parent you are a primary parent, be strong for them.  You must put your children first, and that means standing up for yourself, they need you to look after them.

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foot_lover_jess

And this is why she did not leave last night.
Because my income supports 80% of the house.
And that it'd damage our daugter leaving like that.
No other reason.
none
She has said that her husband is dead, that I am no longer male, that I am no longer who I was...
Well... That is the goal usually, right? But I did not want it to be at her cost, her expence. I tried to be male with her, but she wouldn't tell me she kept reading me as female.
We had a year long... damage and I was trying to get nack into the swing, back into being her husband.
I suppose I failed on all fronts. MIsserablely.
But I suppose I am no longer him, I am me.
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foot_lover_jess

 me:  Then the best thing that you can do for youself, is to leave. Get rid of the cancer, and find a real man that can be everything you need.
Wife:  i wish that were an option
i wish to hell that were an option
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Cindy Stephens

I'm sorry for you, and hope it eventually works out.  My wife is extremely important to me and my life.  Before I started any transition, I discussed everything thoroughly with her.  When I finally went on hormones she actually placed the first transdermal patch on me.  If she is completely on my side it is because I brought her in and gave her that opportunity. 
You didn't give your wife that.  I'm not trying to beat you up. Just look at her side.  You lied.  Most women are used to men lying.  But now with 3 kids, a house, no savings, and suspicions that maybe you want to stay home with the kids, or won't be able to keep a job, she is scared of her future and the kids future.  You missed that critical period when you could have made her part of the solution, rather than presenting a fait accompli.  Your lie may very well have made her position more rigid than if she had had some input, as if you forced it upon her.  Perhaps what I am trying to suggest is that allaying her fears over the future may do much to help the situation.  Of course if she has always been so rigid about you being trans, it would have been better to have walked away earlier, before the twins.     
Again, I hope you two make it.  Hopefully it is in fact worth fighting for and will have some kind of chance.
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foot_lover_jess

You are correct. I did not give that, but I know she's never give that either... I started when I was in a deep state of depression and saw that as the only way out. She'd never accept hormones under any circumstance.
We already discussed part time, nothing femme at work or anything.
I told her soon after I compleately accepted myself. ...Yes, I did start hrt well before I accepted but... I was just stupid.
To her XY is male, male or male. Trans is always birth gender.
She's just... That's her view. There is no gradient, no fluidity.
A woman that's been female for 30 years is still a guy to her. AND she can clock anyone.
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Cindy Stephens

I went through two divorces for the same reason.  It really hurt.  If your read on your wife is truly accurate, and your dysphoria is so bad, then it really does come down to an easy answer.  I have found that partial transition (facial hair removal, hormones, non-femme at work) works well for us.  I have enough for emotional satisfaction, and so does she.  Marriage is the act of compromise.  Perhaps if you give it time, and point out that you are contributing 80% financially, and intend to do so in the future, you'll get some begrudging movement on her part, then some acceptance as she hopefully acclimates to a "different" lifestyle.  That takes time.  If there is no hope, abandon ship and try again.  You look too young  to give up all hopes for a real life, with love and understanding.  I assume she is too.  Sorry if I am pessimistic.  It broke my heart when I divorced, but then, 10 years later, I found real love.  It does get better.
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foot_lover_jess

Makeup and hormones takes 10 years off me :)
That's what we had decided on, no femme near kids, no femme near work, (no hrt) part time.
Well... The hrt had already been in place.
and the changes, either by my acceptance of myself and relaxing and becoming feminine or the hormones... she says have changed me too much.
As for real love.. I had it. I know that everyone will say, oh there's better... No. I can't explain it. There is not.
I may date eventually, and have friends, but I can never marry again.
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Annah

Quote from: _Jess_ on October 18, 2011, 09:14:41 AM
I have no interest in maintaining anything from his life. She will need it all to support her family.

God, you and I are sisters. I have one daughter and two sons too. My ex and I were married ten years and three months. I provided most of the income too and I gave everything to her but I did not have a choice. I came home one day from work and the house was utterly empty. I have not seen my children since 2009. Police reports were filed but no one's talking.

My ex did not leave because of trans issues. She had no idea I was trans. She left because of religious issues. She wrote a letter saying "God told her to leave" which sounds about right since her brother flew her to Oral Roberts house in California (her brother is a lawyer for Oral Roberts University).

It was because of this, I went back into the ministry to teach and to counsel, to show people the real love of God versus a wrathful, spiteful one.

From my experience, I suggest asking your therapist to meet you at the home because it sounds like your wife will not go with you to your therapist.  I would also suggest calling a marriage counselor and ask about emergency interventions. Your wife will be more responsive to a marriage counselor than a Gender Therapist at this point.

Right now, you have to convince her to stay with her. Marriage counselors can help with that.

If you wanna talk or vent please PM me.
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stldrmgrl

I am sorry to hear this.  I will not hound you about holding in this lie, you've obviously understood the ramifications of waiting this long to tell her.  You need to remember that when a person gets angry, male or female, they say/do things they don't necessarily mean, it's an impulse and emotions get the best at the time.  Try to understand this is overwhelming for your wife.  When I first told my wife, she said nearly the same things.  We have a [now] three year old boy, and she was hysterical over what was going to happen, how he would take it, etc.  She told me without a thought that she was going to leave if I advanced towards my transition any further than I had.

Being you is the most important thing.  Children have unconditional love, not to mention you have every right regardless of outcome to be in their lives.  I understand you love your wife, and perhaps she'll relax within the next few weeks, but you need to take care of your children and YOU.  My wife said she'd leave, and yet here she is still - over a year later.  She came to terms with my being transgender, despite how hard it is/was for her.  When it came down to actually leaving, she couldn't do it because she had come to love me as a person, and not as an image [gender].

I cannot say the fate of your relationship, but please understand that she is highly confused right now and in fear.  Give her space, give her what she wants.  She may leave for a while, but perhaps she'll come back.  Then again, she may not leave at all.  She may refuse to speak to you for a while, and that's okay, let it happen.  Stay strong, if not for you - for your children.  Be yourself; self-happiness is most important in life.  I'm here for you, PM if needed.  Hang in there.
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daria

This really sucks, Jess. ɪ'm sorry you are going through this. ʏour wife should love you for who you are, and despite the breach of trust, ɪ think she is being pretty unreasonable, and talking to you in a pretty disrespectful way. By all means wait for the initial shock and anger to subside, but if she carries on treating you like that ɪ think you should get out.

All ɪ have to offer is kind of clichéd statements, but essentially dont put up with emotional abuse over this.

(ps, ɪ cant send PMs yet but thankyou for yours love)
x
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cynthialee

So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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Just Kate

Sometimes I think the trans activists and documentaries to a little too good of a job pushing their message.

I had been married 4 years when my in laws found out I was trans.  They both work for the government and were snooping into my life.  My SO knew years before we were married and we had agreed that I would not transition.

When they found out they called my SO and told her behind my back (fortunately she already knew) then tried to convince her to leave me.  Now these are two incredibly educated, intelligent, left leaning, well intentioned people.  Their argument was, "He is TS, he is really a girl, he WILL leave you and transition no matter what he says.  He doesn't have a choice."

Of course when I found out I was floored and cursed the trans political movement.

For Jess is appears her SO is buying the same story; her SO believe Jess is lying about only having a part time lifestyle, that Jess is a female so it means they cannot be together because Jess will eventually seek a male companion.

Truly I wish the best for you Jess.  Obviously this would have been far better not to have gone behind her back, I'm sure you're already beating yourself up about that, but what is done is done.  You apologize, do whatever you can to make it right, and move from there.
Ill no longer be defined by my condition. From now on, I'm just, Kate.

http://autumnrain80.blogspot.com
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Cindy Stephens

I will probably get bitch-slapped for this, but what about the wife?  Doesn't she get to make decisions too?  She laid down the law, expressed what she was willing to live with, then was lied to.  Her world is crumbling.  I don't think she is "buying" some story.  She has her own beliefs.  If finances (and with a house, no savings, and 3 kids I'm sure it does) are a large component of the "marriage deal"  then I'm sure she is worried about the future.  Doesn't she have a right to that?  I'm not saying it's good or right, but it is HERS.  Just as much as we have the right to our feelings and beliefs.  Unfortunately, sometimes those two sets of beliefs just don't mesh.  I am very much in favor of all types of marriage.  If you want to be poor, be single.  I am in favor of acceptance for our kind.  It just ain't here yet for everyone, or even most of us. Unfortunately, it is usually our folks that end up as road kill on the highway of life.

P.S. I usually find your posts enlightening, Interalia, but am having trouble following your logic on how your in-laws snooping into your life caused you to curse the trans political movement.  Unless it (the political movement) caused you to take fewer protections, assuming the world really is a happy friendly place for us, and that led to your outing.   
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