3", up to 5" if i use a very narrow object. Used to be 8". Dr. Suporn was my surgeon. He is very attentive to his patients and has a good bedside manner so I will say that in his favor. Also, you want a wide opening because otherwise it could shrink so you want to start out with as much width as you can get.

@winter do what feels right but don't be afraid of flying on your new vag... Its easy. Suporn will give you a letter requesting for wheelchair and a comfy seat. Though i felt good enough and didnt need it at all. I recovered easily but worrying all the time will only lead to a delayed and harder recovery!

Also, he provides a donut cushion that you can sit on during the flight. It works wonders.

Quote from: Dàwkbua on November 04, 2011, 12:13:53 PM
Also, he provides a donut cushion that you can sit on during the flight. It works wonders.

i cancelled my surgery. im going to marcie bowers :>

i feel she can make me orgasm and will give me a natural looking vagina too. plus her recovery is much faster. dialation is way easier and you are back to your regular energy level within 1 month. and can start having sex at 6 weeks.

the only advantage that i belive suporn has over marcie is that he will be able to give me 1 to 2 more inches of depth which i dont feel is worth flying overseas for and goin through a longer more strenuous painful  recovery.

im sure marcie will give me enough depth and if she dont i can always do a skin graft. i mean im not gonna go all the way to thailand for the promise of 1 more inch and then end up not being able to dialate beacuse hole closes up like yours did. i feel so bad for you i wish there was something i can do for you dawkbua.

your tragedy is one of the many reasons i  canceled suporn, anything can happen with any surgeon.

so why go all the way to thailand to get the same thing you can get here.

i have a friend that went to suporn and just had sex for the first time and shes 18 months post op and the guy read her cuz her vag doesent look real.

so i dont know what the suporn hype is all about beacuse they say he makes such natural lookin vags with so much depth and yet u cant even dialate yours and my friend got read when she spread her legs.

all in all  i think suporn is a lot of hype.

marcie can give me orgasms and a result more natural or as natural. and enough depth, suporn has no gurantee on anything

marcie here i come! lol

Quote from: winter88 on November 04, 2011, 05:24:13 PMi feel she can make me orgasm and will give me a natural looking vagina too. plus her recovery is much faster. dialation is way easier and you are back to your regular energy level within 1 month. and can start having sex at 6 weeks.

6 weeks    I should have gone to Dr Bowers!

Quotei feel so bad for you i wish there was something i can do for you dawkbua.

Thank you. I am able to dilate now but only to 3" which is enough if I can maintain it (that's the iffy part).

Just like Nothern jane, I'm a long post op.
You girls will find out that the tissue will become more flexible in years, so, you don't need all that depth.
It will take a year for the scars inside to heal, using a biodilatator (man) is the most funny part of dilating.
So, don't worry about depth.

Quote from: Hayley Rivka on November 03, 2011, 04:49:45 PM
I can't imagine that there wouldn't be any scars at all. There are scars, but one side is already beginning to fade though I doubt all of it will every fade completely. I had my surgery this past September 7th and it does happen to look rather natural. I haven't reached the big O yet rather just a small o, but i'm getting there.

What about sensitivity and response? The thing that always tempted me to Thailand was the reputation of being highly...stimulate-able. If Marci can match that...

Quote from: Tammy Hope on November 05, 2011, 02:55:43 AM
What about sensitivity and response? The thing that always tempted me to Thailand was the reputation of being highly...stimulate-able. If Marci can match that...

Well theres girls on here plus a friend of mines that rave about orgasms with marci. missyzanta on here says oh my god it feels great and she orgasms tons of times and gets real wet. and why i belive her is beacuse i have a friend of mine that also went to marci and describes it just like that, she gets real wet and is sensitive and says she can pop orgasms back to back. so far all the marcie girls ive talked too report orgasm. ive talked to 3 meltzer girls on here that cannot orgams, ive met 2 brassard girls that cannot orgasm.

so its marcie for me.

yes suporn and chetawut make u super sensate but so does marcie. but belive me a marcie vagina doesent get clocked when a suporn one does.

he leaves you with a big gaping hole and a urethra hanging out of it and obvious scars.

a friend of mine that went to suporn just had sex for the first time since she had srs last year with suporn and the guy she slept with clocked her vagina. she also needs lube she doesent get real mosit were marcie girls get super wettt. 

so this myth about suporn being this srs god  is something i would take with a huge grain of salt. ! its a lot of hype if you ask me.

the reason you dont find anything bad about suporn online *although i have cuz ive dug deep*  is beacuse he has someone constantly surf the web and threaten litigation against them if they dont take it down. he even made ann lawrence site take his results down. the photos on his site are cherry picked. and i know a girl that went to suporn and made a negative video of him and now all those videos are gone. lol.

woooow

Quote from: annette on November 04, 2011, 07:07:54 PM
Just like Nothern jane, I'm a long post op.
You girls will find out that the tissue will become more flexible in years, so, you don't need all that depth.
It will take a year for the scars inside to heal, using a biodilatator (man) is the most funny part of dilating.
So, don't worry about depth.

Hey girl i had a question i was wondering about and who better than to ask someone whos been post for some time now.

i recently read that a post op vagina is thinner than a gg vagina and could prolapse which i think means cave in or what not or the back wall could get a hole? not sure but somethin like that

was wondering if this is something to be worried about or its not common.

oh and fistulas?

plus i read somewere that urination within a post op becomes easier to leak due to a weaker bladder cuz of the cramped small space in there between the rectum and bladder pressing? not sure if im getting this all right.

that coughing and sneezing causes you to leak pee sometimes lol. it sounds funny but this is what i read. ttyl.

Quote from: Tammy Hope on November 05, 2011, 03:32:27 AM
woooow

thats it? lol

Quote from: Tammy Hope on November 05, 2011, 03:32:27 AM
woooow

are u saying wow cuz i know so much?

ive been doin research on srs surgeons for 6 years and am coming to a decision lol

Sorry Winter88, I couldn't give you an answer earlier because of the time difference.
I need to go to sleep some time.

But, to answer your question, I'm post op for 27 years, never had prolapse, or leaking from urine and I'm in my late fifties allready, yeah, time flies when you're having fun.
Fistula can happen, even with cis girls, I think I'm lucky never having some.

When I read the posts it looks that there are only a few surgeons who can do the job, believe me, there are far more surgeons.
But that's the internet, when someone had an operation and is talking about the benefits of it, evrybody thinks, hey, that's the place to go.

I had my srs in the Netherlands but there are also excellent surgeons in the UK or other countries.
Cons of having surgery in Europe is that they are very expensive, not for Europeans because of the healthcare system, but people outside of the EU pay the price.
I don't complain about sensitivity and of course I did have sexual relationships in the last 27 years, with men and women, I've never been clocked.
Multiple orgasm's are possible, sure it's hard working, but it's nice work to do.

You are right to study the results from surgeons, you only have one chance, so it better be a good one.
But, remember, also the best surgeon can have a bad result on a bad day.

Than the healing process, it's so personal, depending on what shape you are, genetics, and so on.

So, there are a lot of factors who will have influence on the final results.

To end my reply, as you can imagine, I'm very happy with the results, I do have a very good life after surgeon.

Hope I did answer your questions correctly.


hugs
Annette

Quote from: annette on November 05, 2011, 04:29:10 AM
Sorry Winter88, I couldn't give you an answer earlier because of the time difference.
I need to go to sleep some time.

But, to answer your question, I'm post op for 27 years, never had prolapse, or leaking from urine and I'm in my late fifties allready, yeah, time flies when you're having fun.
Fistula can happen, even with cis girls, I think I'm lucky never having some.

When I read the posts it looks that there are only a few surgeons who can do the job, believe me, there are far more surgeons.
But that's the internet, when someone had an operation and is talking about the benefits of it, evrybody thinks, hey, that's the place to go.

I had my srs in the Netherlands but there are also excellent surgeons in the UK or other countries.
Cons of having surgery in Europe is that they are very expensive, not for Europeans because of the healthcare system, but people outside of the EU pay the price.
I don't complain about sensitivity and of course I did have sexual relationships in the last 27 years, with men and women, I've never been clocked.
Multiple orgasm's are possible, sure it's hard working, but it's nice work to do.

You are right to study the results from surgeons, you only have one chance, so it better be a good one.
But, remember, also the best surgeon can have a bad result on a bad day.

Than the healing process, it's so personal, depending on what shape you are, genetics, and so on.

So, there are a lot of factors who will have influence on the final results.

To end my reply, as you can imagine, I'm very happy with the results, I do have a very good life after surgeon.

Hope I did answer your questions correctly.


hugs
Annette

thanks for the info girl. right now i have my heart set on marcie bowers. have you heard anything bad or good about her

From what I have read on this forum, it seems to be a good surgeon with a lot of experience, so, it's not a bad choice.
There are people here who had their srs with dr Bowers and they were very satisfied, but also mcGinn girls, Brassard girls.
So, there is a lot of choice, pick the best one for you and go for it.

Good luck honey
Annette

maybe there really are postops who have sex and orgasms after 6 weeks but its the luck of the draw and may be due to their own youth and excellent physical condition and body sensitivity and maybe its due to the surgeon cutting and sewing things absolutely perfectly aided by the incisions all joining up and healing perfectly without a stray bug getting in and making some nasty infections and problems - add all the variables and its a gamble we take in order to get rid of the male bits.   

If having great sex and multiple orgasms is essential then the dice are loaded agin it and better keep that single shot penis and leave the multiorgasms to the GGs who have machine gun vaginas and partners who can work their triggers right.

as for the big gaping hole and urethra I have to ask how you expect to get a sizable hole where there aint one naturally without some stretching and swelling and how the bladder can be emptied during the recovery without a urethra?  The surgeon has to cut the natural urethra pretty close up to the bladder and push and pull the stump around to get it thorugh the vagina lining and thats a shock that will upset it and may make it relectant to work properly for some days or weeks with no guarantee of when it will settle down and maybe the shock to it will make it susceptibel to involuntary leaking during coughs, sneezes, arousals... LOL

as for friend being clocked when she spread her legs - such malespeak - I was just looking at vaginal surgeries and the size and shape of the natural thing is so variable that anyone who can clock a neo must be using Playboy centrefolds as the yardstick - as why else is there a big industry in vaginal trimming and reshaping in USA?   The guy who clocked her from her vagina shagged her anyway - which says what about males?   

The hole in back is the fistula and it is a big worry and its caused by the scalpel going a trifle too far when the surgeon is trying to make the super deep hole to accept the superstuds.    in theory all male bodies are same but if things are a fraction differnet then the scalpel can cut right into the anus and that causes the big problems.

then you say if marcie doesn't give you enough depth you can go for skin graft..crazy! 

over here lots of girls go to Chet or Suporn and are very happy with the results.

Just under 5" at present, ~ 4 3/4" it was 5 1/2" the first few days post op.
Dr. Sanguan Kunaporn.

Frankly, the difference is due to less outer swelling if you ask me.
Initially I sat on quite a bump (perineum) now it's a lot less i.e. about ¾" less - the difference in my current depth...

Next, I have NO idea where these 6" and 7" depths would come from, or better – should go to.
Putting in the dilator I ALWAYS hit that "back-wall" (as does any gg also) it's some portion of the pelvis, and there is just no further to go - maybe having one of these curved dilators that might find more depth pointing toward the navel inside? Really? Maybe...

Speaking to my beautician, she says 5" max. and probably less - 150% - 200% stretching is a absolute myth.
I'd had heard 100% which would make 8" - 10" for a gg's vj depth?! There is no way to go that deep... that's a ggs take.
She knows her way around in there, due to having a Mirena (intra-uterine device), and initially needed some regular checking inside (if all was still in place).

Having had myself a ~ 5 1/2" outie pre-op, I had more then one partner that I bumped inside and no one adding this magic claimed added % gg-depth either. YMMV

Lastly, unless using a very specific position, a male will not easily - if at all - put all his endowment inside of you. Usually ~ 1" will be "spare" and do not forget the penis also is not some acrylic piece of rod, it also is flexible - quite a bit actually.

My 2 cents,
Axelle

Quote from: lilacwoman on November 05, 2011, 09:25:32 AM
maybe there really are postops who have sex and orgasms after 6 weeks but its the luck of the draw and may be due to their own youth and excellent physical condition and body sensitivity and maybe its due to the surgeon cutting and sewing things absolutely perfectly aided by the incisions all joining up and healing perfectly without a stray bug getting in and making some nasty infections and problems - add all the variables and its a gamble we take in order to get rid of the male bits.   

If having great sex and multiple orgasms is essential then the dice are loaded agin it and better keep that single shot penis and leave the multiorgasms to the GGs who have machine gun vaginas and partners who can work their triggers right.


well i know a girl that went to chet and she only has 4 inches of depth and started off with 7. soooo i wold not choose him, have u seen his website. the vags have horrible scars. dead giveaway.

and all the suporn vaginas ive seen in person. im sorry but they look awful. this is just my opinion.

he didnt clock he beacuse he was comparing her to a playboy, he told her that he saw the scars and that her vagina was dryer than usual.

i also have another friend that does porn that went to suporn and she gets clocked too when she has sex, the hole of her vagina looks like a volcano. like she just gave birth to a 20 pound baby lol.

and this is not a unusual thing, i have seen it in almost every suporn girl to date.

and i just saw another girl at dr zukowskis office. she showed me her vag, she also went to suporn and when i saw her vagina it really made it clear to me that suporn does really ugly vaginas. the lips were all distorted. you could not even fins the hole. the lips looked like pieces of skin that were just over lapping eachother.

i guess why suporn and chet girls are happy is beacuse they have depth and can orgasm,

but i mean i know girls that have gone to bowers that also have 6 to 7 inches of depth and they orgasm too. so why go all the way to thailand to get the same thing but a prettier looking one. as marcie vags have less visible scars cuz she hides them in the pubic hair area. and a nice size hole. not some volcano. and her patients get real wet were suporns do not. and they orgasm. and have depth.

a girl on here that went to suporn could hardly dialate her vag closed up so i mean , i think suporn is just a lot of hype
as for the big gaping hole and urethra I have to ask how you expect to get a sizable hole where there aint one naturally without some stretching and swelling and how the bladder can be emptied during the recovery without a urethra?  The surgeon has to cut the natural urethra pretty close up to the bladder and push and pull the stump around to get it thorugh the vagina lining and thats a shock that will upset it and may make it relectant to work properly for some days or weeks with no guarantee of when it will settle down and maybe the shock to it will make it susceptibel to involuntary leaking during coughs, sneezes, arousals... LOL

as for friend being clocked when she spread her legs - such malespeak - I was just looking at vaginal surgeries and the size and shape of the natural thing is so variable that anyone who can clock a neo must be using Playboy centrefolds as the yardstick - as why else is there a big industry in vaginal trimming and reshaping in USA?   The guy who clocked her from her vagina shagged her anyway - which says what about males?   

The hole in back is the fistula and it is a big worry and its caused by the scalpel going a trifle too far when the surgeon is trying to make the super deep hole to accept the superstuds.    in theory all male bodies are same but if things are a fraction differnet then the scalpel can cut right into the anus and that causes the big problems.

then you say if marcie doesn't give you enough depth you can go for skin graft..crazy! 

over here lots of girls go to Chet or Suporn and are very happy with the results.

Hi winter88,
no idea why you reposted lilacwoman's quote with no comment?

If I may comment - it sounds, some of it, a bit incoherent to me. Depressed if you wish.
Not sure if the person behind lilacwoman is post-op, I'm actually sure not so.

I have seen volcano-vj-entry ~ 2 weeks post-op (colon-section) and then 5 month post-op healed into a very normal vj-entry. So...?

I'm still not clear about all those incredible depth claims - in fact I fail to believe them. YMMV

Dr. Suporn and Chettawut have good reputations, and in these ramblings they come off pretty badly in deed. To me it sounds more depressed that real. Just my impression here yet again.

I could go on, but do not feel to give a lot more credit to it all, so best left at that.

My 2 cents,
Axelle

Quote from: annette on November 04, 2011, 07:07:54 PM
Just like Nothern jane, I'm a long post op.
You girls will find out that the tissue will become more flexible in years, so, you don't need all that depth.
It will take a year for the scars inside to heal, using a biodilatator (man) is the most funny part of dilating.
So, don't worry about depth.

biodilator?  that's very interesting! lol