JOEY YOU'RE IN TROUBLE YOUNG LADY!!!

That's it. I'm going on my date.

JoeyD -

Uh, you definitely pass.
>_<
And I'm a really harsh critic of other trans people, both FTM and MTF.

I'm pretty much assuming you're being facetious though, and in that case, I love your sense of humor.

:]

awww, hope you have fun emma. 

Quote from: JenJen2011 on December 16, 2011, 07:36:14 PM
HAHA! Noooooooooooo

Quote from: JasonRX on December 16, 2011, 07:39:03 PM
JoeyD -

Uh, you definitely pass.
>_<
And I'm a really harsh critic of other trans people, both FTM and MTF.

I'm pretty much assuming you're being facetious though, and in that case, I love your sense of humor.

:]

Aw, mkay good.

Quote from: EmmaM on December 16, 2011, 07:37:41 PM
JOEY YOU'RE IN TROUBLE YOUNG LADY!!!

That's it. I'm going on my date.

LAY OFF MY CASE WOMAN!

 

Quote from: JoeyD on December 16, 2011, 07:46:10 PM


LAY OFF MY CASE WOMAN!

okay


Totally gonna score several drinks now. It's cool.

I've gone to a few dressing rooms and have passed as male. I've been to 1 barbershop and passed as male. I've been to the grocery store and Wal*Mart and was read as female. It really does depend on the person and I personally think we're our own worst critics. Trans* folk know what to look for and I feel, pay closer attention to details then cisfolk. I personally don't like the idea of passing and don't try too hard at this point, but I know it's important for some.

If it's pre-transition then we should be honest but if they are already going for it why disillusion them? What good does sit do?

I haven't started hormones so if i post on that thread you can all be honest with me. In six months time? grrrrr be nice 

Unless they are asking advice for facial surgery specifically.

Quote from: Amazon D on December 16, 2011, 03:54:23 PM
Passing is always relative to the situation

I agree with this.  Given the place and the way cis people tend to look will affect whether a person can pass with the look they are presenting.  Ciswomen do come in all shapes and sizes, and even men tend to look different in different places, cities, towns, etc.  So for me, the measure of passing is comparing to ciswomen I've known vs looking like a cisman I've known.  It's a matter of perception, and we all have different ones.

I believe anyone can pass, but not all can can pass consistently.  For people starting out, I think maybe it does help to work with the benefit of the doubt, and find some strengths amid the basket of flaws they are working to overcome.

I'm with the be honest side of this. Honesty can hurt of course but in the end if given properly it can help too.

I've only commented on a few people so far and I meant every word. I have a really bad habit of brutal honesty and have learned to avoid commenting if I can't do it in a decent way. So yeah if you see me say something I wholeheartedly mean it. I'm just worried about offending people around here with terminology and stuff. So much I don't know.

Kia Ora,

It can be quite hard for a 'trans-person to judge another trans'person's pass rate! It would seem we have our gen-dar on 24/7/365 constantly on the lookout for tail tail[having a blond moment] 'tell tale'  signs of masculinity/femininity in ones physical appearance and or behaviour... 

Just leave it to the cis society, after all they are the ones that count if one feels passing is to be the be all and end all...

Besides...What does a man or woman look like ?

Metta Zenda

Quote from: JenJen2011 on December 16, 2011, 03:17:02 PM
Recently I've been reading posts from several girls telling other girls they "totally pass", "definitely pass", "you look all woman", etc and then I look at the pics they're referring to and perhaps something is wrong with my eyes but I just don't see it.

I don't want ya'll to take this the wrong way. I'm not trying to be mean or make any of the girls feel bad, I just don't think it's right that we lie to them. I wonder if these girls are saying it just to be nice? Or maybe my transdar is too strong and I know what to look for? Like some people tell me I pass but I don't see it.

Now, some of these girls are totally pretty but pretty=/=passable. So, maybe they're mixing the two?

I don't know. Maybe someone can enlighten me a bit.

i brought this back up last august. I agree with you. It's tragic that people want to sound nice but, in reality, giving grave injustices to the person who wants to know if they pass.

This is one of the main reasons why I no longer post in that thread.

don't tell us how crap we are. It's only going to hurt our feelings. What's the point?

i also never say "you pass" anymore unless i see videos of you and you talking in them.

If you want me to know if you pass, then i wanna see you on video and talking. Voice, in my opinion, is the biggest factor in passing.

You can look absolutely beautiful but if you sound like a guy I will be honest and you do not pass nor do you blend in (unless you can go through life without talking).

Quote from: fionabell on December 16, 2011, 11:08:51 PM
don't tell us how crap we are. It's only going to hurt our feelings. What's the point?

if someone post in a "do I pass?" i would assume they want the truth and not answers of spoon fed sugar because when you walk out in public, society isn't gonna say "aww well, you're new at this and you have a good heart so you pass."  In public you either appear as a female or you don't.

To give girls constant feedback "oh you pass" because you don't want to hurt their feelings, then you are putting out the red carpet of extreme hurt feelings when they walk out in public where they are convinced they pass but then that security falls to pieces because those in real life are saying otherwise.

Quote from: Annah on December 16, 2011, 11:13:12 PM
if someone post in a "do I pass?" i would assume they want the truth and not answers of spoon fed sugar because when you walk out in public, society isn't gonna say "aww well, you're new at this and you have a good heart so you pass."  In public you either appear as a female or you don't.

To give girls constant feedback "oh you pass" because you don't want to hurt their feelings, then you are putting out the red carpet of extreme hurt feelings when they walk out in public where they are convinced they pass but then that security falls to pieces because those in real life are saying otherwise.

They are going to walk out in public anyway so they might as well feel good about themselves

Quote from: fionabell on December 16, 2011, 11:42:10 PM
They are going to walk out in public anyway so they might as well feel good about themselves

It is best for someone to walk out in public with a reality of truth than a false statement to make one "feel good." Because the moment the truth comes out, that "feel good feeling" they got from an internet forum because people were nice will come crashing down hard and fast. Being stared and laughed at creates emotions far more greater than a "lubby dubby" feeling of "courtesy truths" on the internet.

I thank my trans peers for telling me the truth from the very beginning of how I look. I used their truthful advice to improve myself and I give credit to their honesty and suggestions to how i look today.

If I was spoon fed false truths in order to make me feel good, I wouldn't be nowhere as close to how I look now. And that is the truth.

  This threads title made me lol...

The very nature of being trans is delusion. You're essentially shorting our your logic to live a lifestyle that is against your very birth nature. I've seen a certain girl on youtube who says, "No one can tell I am trans". I think it's hilarious, because she doesn't look that different from me in the face... But she's 5 inches taller, has huge hands, and used to have a very masculine body. Her and I are spawned from the "drag queen" sect of transsexuals. We know how to make something have the illusion of "female". But opinions... If we ask anyone but our cheerleaders and men who are horny for us(and there's a lot of them)...they'd call us "pretty ->-bleeped-<-s in drag". But hey, at least I am petite. Giving me a huge advantage to most trans.

If you want an honest opinion, ask someone outside the trans community. Normal cispeople have an eye for this stuff like you wouldn't believe. Especially gay/straight/bi men.

I just ask my friend/dragmom who is obsessed with trannies and constantly critiques their faces/bodies/etc. Him and I basically concluded being trans is essentially a "full time draq queen" lifestyle...thus makeup is more important and some can't even be saved by ffs. I mean due to bone structure and various other features, no transsexual is gonna be "fool proof". They will always some male characteristics the public will be able to point out and say, "Thats a man". It's a fact of life.

I'll trust the opinion of someone outside of the community rather than in it. I've shown several of my male friends(who don't know i am a ts) what they think of a certain transgirl and they often will compare to a GG. Men are the ones who pay my salary and buy me dinner. Because I admit, I am very hypercritical over passing. I think sometimes I look too deep into it, when really I don't care about other peoples faces or anything.

I'm a "part time" gender illusionist. Part of the reason that I preach makeup, proper hair, and clothes being so important is that being this 24/7 for most of you is essentially a full time "illusion". Therefore, getting people to think you're female with proper feminine markers is that a lot of people don't think past the nose on their face and you don't want them reacting awkward.

As for myself, I will say that I need minor ffs(Nose, dental work, and chin/jaw). I do have a "mannish" facial structure, but so several of the porn stars and gender illusionists I've met. But I've accepted it, which is one of the hardest things to do when being trans. There are very few girls who will ever pass as GG... Unless you start hormones before puberty and even then, genetics and prettiness play in fact. Therefore, you better foster an illusion because that will be more important overall than any amount of girl clothes and hormones.

Quote from: Nurse With Wound on December 16, 2011, 05:39:58 PM
Naw there's a decent reason, like you might not be long on hormones/trying to present as female so posting in the "Do I Pass?" thread would be silly as you're not even trying to pass.

I was out in public today. I actually saw transwomen and I have very good radar. mainly because everytime I've seen one. The radar beeps in my head. Never the good kind either of... OMFG DAHLING YOU LOOK FABULOUS.

One girl passed for about 30 seconds, before I looked closer and straight up asked her, "Are you trans?" then went on a spiel about how I was a TG/DQ performer. She wasn't too happy... the other was her friend in some bizzare bicycle, the voice clocked her and I looked a bit closer and saw she was in fact, a TS. Both of them had horrid style choices...with andro clothes, unnaturally dyed hair and beanies.

Then I was using the bathroom at the San Jose hilton and I saw this Japanese BOY with long hair. The bushy eyebrows, the stubble and andro clothes, I stared at her for a minute and I wanted her to know I had clocked her. Then I went and told my b/f, "OMFG, there was a MAN in the bathroom". She wasn't even trying and looked horrible.

*blech*

Quote from: EmmaM on December 16, 2011, 06:54:24 PM
You tell me if you pass.

It takes a long time to become gender blind

I'd rather not. That group of thugs over there didn't look like friendly girls when I talked to them. I thought they were studs with short hair and beards.

I am glad i am skilled enough to spot gender differences. Probably has saved me a lot of time and money.

But I'm part pretensious gay man hun...I've been critiquing people since I was born!!!