Why thank you!

I have no problem with anyone's personal gender expression.  Some "girly men" can be incredibly sexy.  I found the image of Conchita Wurst, however, to be disconcerting.

Quote from: Jamie D on April 17, 2012, 01:04:57 PM
I have no problem with anyone's personal gender expression.  Some "girly men" can be incredibly sexy.  If found the image of Conchita Wurst, however, to be disconcerting.

I think Conchita Wurst is fierce.

Then again I will bring up that I've slowly become gender blind.
I think he's very pretty here. :3

Quote from: JenJen2011 on April 17, 2012, 12:57:27 PM
Did you pull that out of your arse?

In my Ministering in Matters of Sexuality at Seminary, the percentage was about 80% with a 4% margin of error where people who transitioned to female still dated women. The study was performed in 2008. I can dig up the sources. So she either got lucky making up the percentage or something else....but she didn't pull it out of her arse hehe

Annah - Not to sound like a Skeptical Susan (or maybe I would like to sound like that; Carl Sagan would be so proud), but I would like you to dig up those sources.  That sounds unbelievable.  Do you mean, of women who dated women when they were living as men, 80% continued to date women?  Because that's WAY different than 85% of all trans women being lesbians.

Sounds unbe-weave-able to me too.

Quote from: JoeyD on April 17, 2012, 01:09:14 PM
I think Conchita Wurst is fierce.

Then again I will bring up that I've slowly become gender blind.

Joey, I was just stating my personal aesthetic preference.  You must know how sensitive the issue of facial hair is for MtFs ... and GGs!!!  Hair removal is a billion dollar industry.

"Conchita" could be a very pretty phenotypical female, if not for the beard.

But whatever s/he is comfortable with, that's okay by me.

Quote from: Maya Zimmerman on April 17, 2012, 01:35:31 PM
Annah - Not to sound like a Skeptical Susan (or maybe I would like to sound like that; Carl Sagan would be so proud), but I would like you to dig up those sources.  That sounds unbelievable.  Do you mean, of women who dated women when they were living as men, 80% continued to date women?  Because that's WAY different than 85% of all trans women being lesbians.

The source interviewed a group of transitioning women and transitioned women. The question was simply "What is your sexual orientation." 80% voted Lesbian with a 4% margin of error. Again, you have to take into account the region etc etc (hence the margin of error).

A poll on pinkessence.com actually had the percentage of lesbians higher.

Other sources have transwomen at 30% heterosexual (umass).  Other universities has Lesbian transwomen at a much lower percentage.

It really depends on the site, the group, and the location.

For example, at PinkEssence.com there was only a handfew of us that weren't lesbians. On Susan's the statistic is (from what I have observed) has lesbians at about 40%. On a popular trans facebook page, the percentage of Lesbians was like that comparable to Pink Essence.com (where the percentage of Lesbians was easily 85%).

Also, age has some factor too (even though one would immediately dismiss the idea of age having to do with sexual orientation). Women who transitioned middle aged are more likely to be lesbians than a 19 year old who transitioned.

Quote from: Annah on April 17, 2012, 01:18:00 PM
In my Ministering in Matters of Sexuality at Seminary, the percentage was about 80% with a 4% margin of error where people who transitioned to female still dated women. The study was performed in 2008. I can dig up the sources. So she either got lucky making up the percentage or something else....but she didn't pull it out of her arse hehe

In Holland/EU being an MTF is a typical 'straight white man's thing' (and they're very often very homophobic considering gay men!?!)
95% of MTF's are white. A very small minority is of different colour/race and they are (almost?) always straight/into men.

85% of the MTF community here is ex straight/lesbian AND a father of multiple children.

According to a survey conducted by the Free University (where TS's are treated)

In South America it's exact the other way around; ex straight/lesbian MTF's are very rare in South America.

Same thing goes for Asia.

Quote from: Annah on April 17, 2012, 01:58:18 PM

Women who transitioned middle aged are more likely to be lesbians than a 19 year old who transitioned.

Do you really think sexual orientation is age related and not inborn???

On Topic:

what on earth would be the problem for the MTF community Andrej and Billy being naturally feminine and 100% naturally gorgeous and feminine looking?

That they're naturally like this and/but NOT mtf?

And  most MTF's NOT naturally feminine but transitioning?

I really wish they would or could represent the MTF community.
They're credible feminine and would make very, very nice -not over the top- women AND not masculine looking/acting MTF's either.

Just natural born feminine looking and acting.

Which is very rare in the MTF community btw.

who knows?

I do believe sexuality can be inborn and I do believe it can often be age related. Sexuality is so complex, i simply will not view sexuality in forms of absolutes. Sexuality is more of shades of grey than black and white.

I do believe sexuality is born into you, but I cannot dismiss the fact that some middle age trans women told me they are sexually attracted to women because that's what they have been used to and were raised into it.

While you may think that logic is wrong, I cannot invalidate their feelings on their own sexuality.

Besides, I do not think being a lesbian is a bad thing. It is what it is. I am neutral on the subject. If you're a lesbian...awesome. If you are straight...awesome. If you are bi, pan, a, omni, or anything else...awesome.

Quote from: JoeyD on April 17, 2012, 01:09:14 PM
I think Conchita Wurst is fierce.

Then again I will bring up that I've slowly become gender blind.
I think he's very pretty here. :3

  Yeah he is pretty but the full on beard is kinda weird lol. I mean if he wants to express both male & female characteristics that's fine but I think he could have done something else to express the male side.
 
  The beard is a bit much. 

Quote from: Annah on April 17, 2012, 04:29:15 PM

I do believe sexuality is born into you, but I cannot dismiss the fact that some middle age trans women told me they are sexually attracted to women because that's what they have been used to and were raised into it.

What happens too is MTF's who used to be 100% straight guys become lesbians and post SRS 'discover' they like men (too).

As an asset to their new feminity that is. They seem to 'raise themselves into that'.

And as a man 'being raised into being sexual attracted to women' means gay/bi men wouldn't exist at all.

Quote from: Dahlia on April 17, 2012, 04:19:54 PM
I really wish they would or could represent the MTF community.
They're credible feminine and would make very, very nice -not over the top- women AND not masculine looking/acting MTF's either.

Just natural born feminine looking and acting.

Which is very rare in the MTF community btw.

I agree with this, we need more people like that representing the trans community that actually look and act like women.

Quote from: MacKenzie on April 17, 2012, 04:38:15 PM
  Yeah he is pretty but the full on beard is kinda weird lol. I mean if he wants to express both male & female characteristics that's fine but I think he could have done something else to express the male side.
 
  The beard is a bit much. 

I just love his look! He looks like a FTM who used to be a very beautiful woman and remained some of his feminity and feminine looks.

Quote from: Dahlia on April 17, 2012, 04:43:43 PM
I just love his look! He looks like a FTM who used to be a very beautiful woman and remained some of his feminity and feminine looks.

Haha yeah the beard throws me off but he is gorgeous!   

To each their own

IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH OTHERS

that is an insecurity we have in ourselves

Quote from: Dahlia on April 17, 2012, 04:43:43 PM
I just love his look! He looks like a FTM who used to be a very beautiful woman and remained some of his feminity and feminine looks.

I'm sorry, but this is more than moderately offensive.
Just no.

The only thing I can come up with, really, is that... that guy really needs to shave. That beard is bringing down his entire image, seriously. I mean, that's cool if he's into it and feels comfortable with it... but it's embarrassing. >.<

I LOVEEE fem guys (not in a sexual way, I just really love how they rock and aren't afraid to do what they like... femininity shouldn't be a negative... though, sadly it is equal to weakness in western society).

Then again, I also consider myself a fem guy... just one that is a bit more fem than normal guys can go (you know, since I got the estrogen and stuffs heehee).... soo, I might be biased