Quote from: Stealthy on June 10, 2012, 07:25:56 PM
'Fraid so. Too many people are, really.

Seconding this.

One of the downsides of living in the culture where we do.

Well someone called me out and some other folks on their tumblr.

Sigh I'm on Susan's and they're talking about Ira Gray and everyone is being a rape apologist bastard (including ADMITTING THAT THEY'RE RAPISTS) *copy/pasted from their blog*

Say it directly to me, not behind my back or I'll find out.

And I'm not going to mention your name. You can say it if you want.

If somebody's going to admit that they're a freaking RAPIST...

And hell, I wasn't even thinking of you specifically. More "holy ->-bleeped-<- people are admitting that they're rapists". I don't register screen names in situations like that.

Quote from: Zerro on June 10, 2012, 07:13:51 PM
So locking someone in a room and refusing to let them leave until you do what they want is not rape? Crying and hitting that person, then choking them after they try to leave, then holding them down and doing things to them while they're semi unconscious isn't rape? Then crying after that person is conscious and trying to pin the blame on them and make them about to be the bad guy until they're too afraid to say no or get help isn't abuse? That's what happened to me, not as extreme as what happened to the people Ira hurt, but it's still pressuring and adding force to a messed up situation. I'm pretty sure it's rape if you don't want to or you're not sure about it, and that person finds a way to make you anyway.

you are misunderstanding my point.
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I say that pressuring to have sex, isnt nessesarry rape. By that.
You can presure someone to have sex where it won't be considered rape.

as soon as as you emotionally or physically start to treatning a person/do actual harm to get sex, then it starts to be rape I will consider what you wrotte rape.

But when you are in pressured but you still are able to refuse without those, its not rape,
it can still be sexual harrasm thought.

Pressuring someone into having sex is a form of rape to me.

What did I tell you about this Ira Gray crap?
Drop it already.

I'm mad at you.
and you're not really a rapist, i gave you consent and the power over me from the beginning. Its different than raping or sexually harassing an innocent person.

Though I don't agree with some peoples definition of rape on here.
Way too much drama going on about this.
Which is another reason why im so embarrassed of my community, AND also why I don't use tumblr. Lol.

Done.

Dude: ''Babe, I'm horny tonight wanna have sex.''

Chick: ''I'm not sure baby. I'm not really in the mood.''

Dude: ''Come on, you're so sexy. I know you want it ;3''

Chick: ''*grins* Alright!''

RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE

She was pressured, and if they did not willingly consent the first time you asked

v_v

Yeah..okay.

Quote from: Aeris on June 10, 2012, 07:57:07 PM
What did I tell you about this Ira Gray crap?
Drop it already.

I'm mad at you.
and you're not really a rapist, i gave you consent and the power over me from the beginning. Its different than raping or sexually harassing an innocent person.

Even though I don't agree with some peoples definition of rape on here.
Way too much drama going on about this.
Which is another reason why im so embarrassed of my community, AND also why I don't use tumblr. Lol.

Done.

O_O

Yes, ma'm.

Consent gained through duress or manipulation is not consent. 

Quote from: Aeris on June 10, 2012, 07:57:07 PM
Which is another reason why im so embarrassed of my community, AND also why I don't use tumblr. Lol.

I don't use tumblr and i'm like the biggest drama-queen ever...
LOL

Maybe this threat is more about where peoples limits goes, than what exactly is rape.
people are diffrent, and have diffrent limits, what is Okay, for me, Is stickly forbidden for other, or opposite.

Rape is always a touchy subject for a lot of people and I Do Not think its okay to pressure anyone into sex for any reason making jokes or whatever is one thing I even joke with my best friend when were drinking that I am just too damn sexy she can't help but want me ect... but its all in good fun because even though I know she likes me that way she knows not to take me seriously when drinking. But if someone says no, no means no. I have had a few bad experiences where people didn't understand no meant no and I was forced into things kicking and hitting and even sadly i admit crying screaming no. I ended up pregnant from it too despite the fact i don't like men. I know that is obviously a little more extreme but even if I didn't kick and scream and hit ect... I had said no and they did it anyways that = rape No means No and thats it. I didn't read this specific stuff personally but I do want to add in that No Always means No

Or more like this:

Person A: I want to do ____ to you.
Person B: No.
Person A: But it will make our relationship better/make everything awesome/you can't say no if you've never tried it/etc
Person B: I really don't know if I'm okay with this.
Person A: -cries/whines/subtle manipulation- If you don't do this, I will _______
Person B: I don't WANT to continue this right now
Person A: Then say yes or I'll keep going on about it
Person B: I don't know if I want to do this.
Person A: -starts doing said thing anyway- If you talk, I will make this worse/you will ruin my life/emotional blackmail etc

Person B will most likely end up consenting to get the other person off their back.


I would consider that rape.

And what Zerro described is what happened in the Ira Gray case, basically-well, it's what happened to e.w., I'm not sure what happened to Lauren. (He also misgendered the f**k out of e.w..)

This is such a touchy topic I'm surprised it hasn't got into a full blown fight here. While I'm here, can anyone tell me if Ira has actually gotten into legal trouble? Apparently he's still walking around so...

Ugh, Jayr.

This is not a point worth fussing over.

*facepalm*

e.w. and Lauren aren't pursuing legal action. It'd put both of them through the wringer, and Ira would just walk free anyway. (The legal system re: rape is messed up.)

It's time for this thread to come to a graceful end. I am locking it.