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Did you ever have an earlier moment in life you could have come out but did not

Started by stephee72, February 15, 2015, 09:41:12 PM

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stephee72

I was just thinking, after reading another post, about the times in my life I could have come out as trans but was to scared to do so. I often wonder what life would be now. I cant imagine not having my wife or kids but there was a time I could  have come out early. I was once caught in bed with my moms pantyhose on, fifth grade. She asked me laughing a bit, my brother also saw (and in all these years never brought it up again beyond that day). I told her I was cold and football players use them, super lame Excuse I know. She let it be. Weird it was summer break at the time. Later when picking up my dad, my brother told him about it while we were all in the car picking him up, it was the last time he ever mentioned it. My mom told him to not talk about it and that was that. Of course he was in 1st grade then. A few days later my mom asked me point blank if i thought I was a girl, I told her no, just something stupid I did. She asked again an I denied her, for straight and total fear. I was in 5th grade in the 80s, i would have been a social pariah, school kids would call me a freak, faggot, outcast, sissy, you name it. Weird though knowing my parents the way I do now, they would have excepted. The extended family would not have at all. I think in time mom wrote it off to being just experimentation. I never spoke about anything like that to her again. If i would have had the courage how much happier i might had been or how much worse, just always think back to this time. This by the way is the first time I have ever told anyone about this incident in my life. There are other times later with my wife, but I will save them for now. Does anyone else have these moments?
I am being honest with myself and others here at all times, because I cant be honest in other parts of my life, just want honesty, support  and kindness for all.  :-*
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Mariah

Yep many times I have, but the most note worthy one was when I was when I had been caught in my sisters clothes and makeup yet again and my mom asked me if she needed to send me to the therapist the church had been sending my sister too and said no thank you. I was forced to see him for a different reason probably a year earlier and I knew this wouldn't get me the help I needed and wanted. I just knew that wasn't the right oppurtnity and decided to have her be quite instead.
Mariah
Quote from: stephee72 on February 15, 2015, 09:41:12 PM
I was just thinking, after reading another post, about the times in my life I could have come out as trans but was to scared to do so. I often wonder what life would be now. I cant imagine not having my wife or kids but there was a time I could  have come out early. I was once caught in bed with my moms pantyhose on, fifth grade. She asked me laughing a bit, my brother also saw (and in all these years never brought it up again beyond that day). I told her I was cold and football players use them, super lame Excuse I know. She let it be. Weird it was summer break at the time. Later when picking up my dad, my brother told him about it while we were all in the car picking him up, it was the last time he ever mentioned it. My mom told him to not talk about it and that was that. Of course he was in 1st grade then. A few days later my mom asked me point blank if i thought I was a girl, I told her no, just something stupid I did. She asked again an I denied her, for straight and total fear. I was in 5th grade in the 80s, i would have been a social pariah, school kids would call me a freak, faggot, outcast, sissy, you name it. Weird though knowing my parents the way I do now, they would have excepted. The extended family would not have at all. I think in time mom wrote it off to being just experimentation. I never spoke about anything like that to her again. If i would have had the courage how much happier i might had been or how much worse, just always think back to this time. This by the way is the first time I have ever told anyone about this incident in my life. There are other times later with my wife, but I will save them for now. Does anyone else have these moments?
If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me.
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Vanny

Ha. Yes and I think it would have ended badly. If I was actually caught dressing vs hiding clothes so I could have worn them.  Mom would have fainted and dad would have hit me seeing that mom fainted and that I caused it.      I would have shut my mouth and that would have been that. 
We had an unwritten code in my house so this worked well.   

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ImagineKate

Yes, a few times. When I was a kid especially. That would have been great but I suspect it would have ended badly.
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Jessica Merriman

Had I come out as a child in the 60s and 70s I would not be very likely to be alive to post this. When I was a child it was still illegal in some places to be gay. Trans? OMG! They would have gotten out the pitchforks, torches and brought along a priest for the exorcism. My feminine mannerisms were all it took for my parents to put me through three years of living hell with reparative therapy. This was at age 7!!! I did not know why everyone was taking things so serious. It was just how I felt comfortable walking, carrying books, preferring to play with girls, etc. I was female in my heart and soul, but had no idea that is what it was as those in my life confused me to no end. So mannerism's alone gave me away even though I never knew they were feminine, just comfortable.
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Tysilio

I hear you, Jessica. As a kid in the 50s, I pretty much knew I was a boy, but all I ever heard was "Girls don't do this" and "Girls don't do that." So I learned to squelch that knowledge, but I still grew up knowing that my mother thought that there was something really wrong with me -- and of course she knew best. It wasn't until a couple of years ago, doing some research online, that I finally said "Oh wait! You mean gender-non-conforming children are a thing? You mean I've spent my entire life knowing that I was a bad person and a total failure -- and it wasn't true??!" I had a pretty good breakdown over that, but I seem to be getting over it. 

If I'd insisted on  it, I doubt that I'd be alive, one way or another. 

QuoteSo mannerism's alone gave me away even though I never knew they were feminine, just comfortable.

In my early twenties I had a girlfriend who said "I love you, you're perfect... and oh, by the way, would you mind changing the way you walk -- it's too masculine."  I was completely bewildered: as far as I knew, I just... walked.
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ChiGirl

In high school, my mom found me reading Christine Jorgensen's autobiography.  She wanted to know why.  I don't remember what I told her, but she told me that people like that are rare.  I think she was trying to reassure me because I was a massive worrier and I always felt like something was wrong with me.  I knew I was trans at this point but I couldn't tell her.  What if I had?
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Mariah

This was something that those around me noticed as well and I was just barley aware of it result in many comments and strange reactions over the years before I started to transition.
Mariah
Quote from: Jessica Merriman on February 16, 2015, 11:51:19 AM
So mannerism's alone gave me away even though I never knew they were feminine, just comfortable.
If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me.
[email]mariah@susans.org[/email]
I am also spouse of a transgender person.
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Crissie22

Lots of times and that doesn't include getting caught wearing my mums or sisters clothes when I was little . From the age of 11 I knew I was seriously different from all of the other boys so I distanced myself from just about everyone I was only close to my mum she had strong suspicions about me being trans but I could never open my mouth and say it . The years went by and she got diagnosed with cancer when I was 15 she died when I was 18 not only did I loose my mum but I lost the only person that I could have ever told and I hit the self destruct button until the age of 21 witch is when I met my wife who I am still with now . So yes things could have been very different
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Christine Eryn

I should have started transitioning in my early 20s when I had the money to do so. However, I bought a fast, bitchin car like a >-bleeped-<ing idiot to see if it would "cure" me of being trans and prove that I was a real macho dude. That backfired bigtime. I thought it was also too early in life to be rejected by family. There could have been a time where I started on the path to happiness much earlier in life. More than one therapist I've seen mentioned that perhaps, I wasn't at that moment in life where it could have come to fruition but you never know.
"There was a sculptor, and he found this stone, a special stone. He dragged it home and he worked on it for months, until he finally finished. When he was ready he showed it to his friends and they said he had created a great statue. And the sculptor said he hadn't created anything, the statue was always there, he just cleared away the small peices." Rambo III
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Ms Grace

Let's see one moment for every day since I self acknowledged I was trans until I came out to everyone and started living as Grace...equals 8,766 moments I could have come out sooner... :(

But I guess I just wasn't fully ready until that 8,767th day... :)
Grace
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Transition 1.0 (Julie): HRT 1989-91
Self-denial: 1991-2013
Transition 2.0 (Grace): HRT June 24 2013
Full-time: March 24, 2014 :D
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Jessica Merriman

Quote from: Tysilio on February 16, 2015, 01:26:47 PM
You mean I've spent my entire life knowing that I was a bad person and a total failure -- and it wasn't true[/u
I can SO relate to this realization myself!! Isn't it terrible what "norms" people have and what they do to confine you to those. The things they do to keep us in line can be so drastic and cruel. Well, no more! I am free and living life on MY terms not someone else's. :)
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Julia-Madrid

I could have transitioned 20 years ago when I first fully realised who and what I was.  But, like you Stephee, it was the 80s or 90s and not a time even remotely trans-friendly.  I did all the research, I knew what could be done and by which type of surgeon, but I was terrified by the social outcomes which seemed so bleak at that time.  So I ran as far as I could, started a company, got married, tried to be normal.  It was a moderately successful life, but.......

I transitioned last year and it was brilliant.  It somewhat indirectly cost me my marriage as well as a heftly amount of my savings, but I'm finally truly 100% the person I've been hiding for all those years. 
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stephee72

I think we all have had moments in life when we knew, this is what I want. But I have only a handful of times when I could have just admitted to it and my life would have changed forever. I have tried so many things to convince myself of not being this way. For a while I just thought maybe I could just get turned on by my secret stash of so called "she-male" porn, only one step away from Playboy right, make myself think I'm still normal and that's all it was. Acting like something I wasn't. Strange though I kept being more interested in finding multiple pictures of the same pin up to see if I could find old and new pics to check out her development over time. The image could be pleasing but I didn't care for the sexual acts just the way this one time man now has blossomed into a girl. No matter what, I keep coming back to wanting to be the girl in the pic and have sex with it.  I have always been attracted to women and not men but it can really mess up a teenage boy to feel that way. Now I know how degrading the term "She-male" is and how guilty I feel using that and other terms to such a misunderstood and caring group of people, which ironically now includes me. Weird that I can honestly say this has consumed my thoughts everyday for years. Now I wonder if I could have just been brave that one time if all would be better. I have been faithful to a church many times and love God but not the people in his church where most made me feel ashamed to be me inside. Not that anyone even knew my secret. Always felt guilty. Read a bible you find out all that anti-Trans, Gay stuff is in the old Test, the thing Jesus came back to save us from since we could not all live to that standard, admitting we are flawed people, Its the soul that counts, Love others and love God. Nowhere in that did Jesus bash a Transsexual or Homosexual person. Don't judge just love others. If more people thought that way growing up in the 80's, and 90's, hell even today, then maybe I wouldn't have such regret. I have such respect for all of you who finally have come out to be you. ...............Ok now I'm just getting emotional and rambling again, I guess I have a lot to work out huh. ;)
I am being honest with myself and others here at all times, because I cant be honest in other parts of my life, just want honesty, support  and kindness for all.  :-*
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ErinReign

I've had quite a few moments over the past decade where I could have and probably should have came out to various different people, however there is one moment that clearly sticks out.

When I was 15 I was sat down and confronted by my parents asking if I was gay. They raised concerns over changing hairstyle, not trying to date any of my female friends, and internet search history which included transgender topics. In retrospect this might have been their attempt at allowing me to say that I was trans rather than gay, either way it would have been a good opportunity for me to come out to them had I not been too scared to do so.
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Jen72

First off waiting to taste estrogen to fully convince self I am what I am might be wrong but eh. I have accepted this more but in the past I did look into transgender. I really first dreamt of being a girl when I was around 16 then early 20's got some of my own girl clothes at the time thought eh just a fetish. Around 30 I tried some herbs which I know is bad now but they did effect me a small amount which did feel awesome but very fleeting. Now I am in my early 40's thought of it yet again but this time I literally I think woke up to what I am. I am sure everyone is different and could I have done so earlier perhaps but the truth is this we have all decided fully when we would attempt this I feel no point worrying about what would or could have been hell with it live for once and look to future. What is done is done cant change that however we can always change the future but to dwell on that past is not healthy yet we should still learn from it as well. Only we can truly decide when and if believe in fate well maybe that is it in that it choose this time for me to proceed with a transition. In ways I think its as if sometime we just get a realization whenever that is then we face this and another word that I like that fits better then transition is transcend to a new more whole you.

Not really done a lot yet but I have done a whole lot of thinking that's for sure and so much what I read here hits home in so many ways I feel we are all kindred spirits in a way.

In short could I have done it sooner well in reality no I wasn't really ready so now is the time or at least I think it is for me anyway.
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missymay

I came out to my fiancĂ© when I was 27, but she talked me out of it, and we stayed together until I was 32, then in 1998 I was 35 and engaged to a different woman, and I bought my first computer, and had access to the Internet for the first time, and for the first time I was able to research transsexualism and how to go about transitioning.  I broke up with my fiancĂ©, started seeing a therapist, and began my journey.
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marikvulpina

When I was about 15 or 16, I found a webcomic called unicorn jelly. several characters in this comic are trans, and this first real exposure made me realize, "oh, hey, this character sounds a LOT like me" and finally made me consciously realize what had been stewing in my subconscious since I was five.

If I knew then what I know now, I would have came out then and maybe even would have managed to start transition before my facial hair really came in(bad beard genes from my mom's side, lucky me, it didn't even start until i was 18 and you couldn't really call it a beard until 23), but in a fit of self-defeating uselessness, at that age my dysphoria had given me such social anxiety I didn't even feel I could go to my parents with problems.

so I started to try to convince myself that physicality isn't important, as long as I knew I was a girl, I could be myself online and just be a nice little recluse. then I got into a relationship with a manipulative woman who quashed any ideas of transition i might have formed, partly from transphobia and partly because she needed me to stay legally male to marry her so she could get a green card. In my mental state I allowed her to overwhelm me to the point where I kind of even forgot that I had realized I was trans.

it was only later, years after my current boyfriend showed me what a healthy relationship looked like and I dropped my wife, that I rediscovered the source of my issues and was able to decide to make my life worth living. looking back it feels like 13 years too late, but looking at the now, I couldn't be happier that I've started this path at all.
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Julia-Madrid

Quote from: stephee72 on February 16, 2015, 08:27:00 PM
If more people thought that way growing up in the 80's, and 90's, hell even today, then maybe I wouldn't have such regret. I have such respect for all of you who finally have come out to be you. ...............Ok now I'm just getting emotional and rambling again, I guess I have a lot to work out huh. ;)

Stephee, the key thing here is to look forwards and not backwards.  The past is gone and we have to do the best with the lives we were given.

As they say in bad thrillers, make no sudden movements.  Now is the time to clear your head and try to understand as well as you can who you are and what, if anything, you want to do about it.  Perhaps for you the best outcome would be to stay as you are, and to live with your situation.  Perhaps you could find a halfway house.  And maybe your enviroment might be safe enough for you to change yourself.  It's a complex process after half a lifetime, so ponder it carefully even though parts of your mind might be desperate to fix things.

Are you talking to a gender therapist?  Does anyone in your world know about your issues?

Hugs
Julia
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Tysilio

Actually, yeah... back in the 80's, when I was 30-ish, I was seeing a therapist: a pretty conservative Freudian, but my best friend at the time thought she walked on water...

After a year or so, I worked up the courage to bring up my gender identity with her and told her I thought I might be transsexual. She basically said "Don't be silly, this is very immature," and told me to wear long swishy skirts and get in touch with my feminine side. I should've walked out right then and found a new therapist -- I knew that I had no feminine side, and she should have too, by then.

Sometimes, when I think about what might have been, I want to go back in time and wring her neck, or at least sue her for malpractice.
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