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Can you get girls to treat you like a girl while still presenting as male?

Started by Andrea J, October 18, 2012, 02:28:35 PM

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luna nyan

To be honest, I can't quite figure out my relationship status with some of my girlfriends.  As in whether they see me as the meterosexual guy or a big brother or whether they subconsciously register me as a female in male clothing.

I do meet up with a few of them one on one on occasion over coffee - purely platonic from all parties concerned, but we end up chatting about every aspect of life, including relationships.

Much as I enjoy these meetups, I do find them triggering at times.  I still don't enjoy group situations at all.
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Isabelle

I think that no one is really as obsessed with gender as trans people are. Most people are completely oblivious to it. Just be you. They'll be them, it's the best anyone can hope for.
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Zoey

My perspective is a bit different from the other responders. I think that you would have a very easy time fitting in and making a positive impression among women if you look male and act feminine. Most women love a feminine male, and that is what they will perceive you as (but they won't percieve you as female, if you are presenting as male, no matter how "feminine" you act).

As a fairly young transgender MTF, I do find it more difficult to befriend females than I had anticipated. Older women are quite easy because they tend to have an ease and open-mindedness about them that young women don't have. Young women I tend to find quite competitive and somewhat catty. I can feel them staring at me, scrutinizing me during conversation fairly often, trying to put their finger on what is different about me. Luckily, I pass very well...so it's not obvious to women that I am transgender. I think a lot of times, no matter how friendly or funny or kind I am,  some women will just always feel uncomfotable around me but not know why that is. They just sense that I am different than them. And of course, I am.
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AngelRose

For the friends that know about the complications with gender I have, they do treat me a bit differently, at least the girls do. I still can't do all of the things I want to do with them just due to my personal social fear, and that this is still something new to experience, but they treat me better this year than last~

I will say that the Trans* stuff had made me want to walk away from a lot of my 'guy' friends, as they are either too apathetic at me, or they just refuse to adapt! I've even asked them to stop calling me an insanely boyish nickname (can't say as it involves my last name), and its little things like that, that will just get on me. Latley I've been hanging out with the girl's more, and its been a lot better and happier for me~
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SilentArchitect

Quote from: Brooke777 on October 18, 2012, 02:42:13 PM
Even if women don't know I am trans, they treat me like any other woman. Just the way I act, and talk puts them at ease to where they don't see me as the same threat as they do men. It has always been like this for me. I just be myself, and they treat me like a woman.

I concur.
I talk mostly about my transition (m2f). I also give answers on my videos to questions I think others may want to know. The more awareness raised the better right? ;0)

I also write songs around my experiences, I suppose doing videos and songwriting helps me channel my emotions xxx

BTW I'm a Yorkshire lass ;0)

http://www.youtube.com/user/aerishoulihan
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Andrea J

Quote from: Zoey on October 30, 2012, 07:06:45 AM
My perspective is a bit different from the other responders. I think that you would have a very easy time fitting in and making a positive impression among women if you look male and act feminine. Most women love a feminine male,

Well that's a hopeful comment. To tell the truth I don't really know just how feminine I act but I have noticed people seeming to think I'm gay despite me not being. I never asked them but I felt it.

Quote from: Zoey on October 30, 2012, 07:06:45 AM
As a fairly young transgender MTF, I do find it more difficult to befriend females than I had anticipated. Older women are quite easy because they tend to have an ease and open-mindedness about them that young women don't have. Young women I tend to find quite competitive and somewhat catty. I can feel them staring at me, scrutinizing me during conversation fairly often, trying to put their finger on what is different about me. Luckily, I pass very well...so it's not obvious to women that I am transgender. I think a lot of times, no matter how friendly or funny or kind I am,  some women will just always feel uncomfotable around me but not know why that is. They just sense that I am different than them. And of course, I am.

I'm sorry that you're having this difficulty. When you say that they feel that there's something different about you. Do you think it's something about that way you act? And do you think that you have an easier time making female friends after transition? Hopefully when they get to know you better they will forget about the differences and treat you just like their other friends. That's what I find about things that are different, at first they catch my attention then after a while I stop noticing them.
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Zoey

Quote from: Andrea J on November 03, 2012, 08:57:08 AM


I'm sorry that you're having this difficulty. When you say that they feel that there's something different about you. Do you think it's something about that way you act? And do you think that you have an easier time making female friends after transition? Hopefully when they get to know you better they will forget about the differences and treat you just like their other friends. That's what I find about things that are different, at first they catch my attention then after a while I stop noticing them.

No, not necessarily something about my personality. I think it is just because...the fact is, physically, I am male. As MTFs, we can take hormones and have surgeries and attempt to mimic being a physical female...but still. Our underlying bone structure, our voices, our skin texture, the spacing of our facial features, our hairlines...can never truly become female. I have always felt very lucky to be very passable and feminine in appearance, but at the end of the day my face is still a male's face and when I'm standing around with a group of women - younger women especially are very hyper-conscious of anything "weird" or different - I notice some of the gals sneaking looks at me, or scrutinizing me, trying to put their finger on what makes me a little different. I don't think anyone has ever actually realized that I am transgender, but they do sometimes seem to notice that I'm markedly different. In my experience, they would be much more accepting and "at ease" with someone who was LESS passable, that they could immediately spot as a "lady-who-was-born-a-male," and they'd generally be very warm and sympathetic because then they know what they are dealing with.
But with me, because I pass very well, they think I'm female but can't seem to put their finger on why I'm different, they just sense something different in my face, my body, my voice... Because of this feeling of suspicion or unease that I sometimes get from younger women in my presence, I often seek out friendships with females who are older. They've been around the block and are often much more gracious, tolerant of differences, and less hyper-aware than younger women.
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spacial

Quote from: Zoey on November 03, 2012, 06:56:14 PM
No, not necessarily something about my personality. I think it is just because...the fact is, physically, I am male. As MTFs, we can take hormones and have surgeries and attempt to mimic being a physical female...but still. Our underlying bone structure, our voices, our skin texture, the spacing of our facial features, our hairlines...can never truly become female. I have always felt very lucky to be very passable and feminine in appearance, but at the end of the day my face is still a male's face and when I'm standing around with a group of women - younger women especially are very hyper-conscious of anything "weird" or different - I notice some of the gals sneaking looks at me, or scrutinizing me, trying to put their finger on what makes me a little different. I don't think anyone has ever actually realized that I am transgender, but they do sometimes seem to notice that I'm markedly different. In my experience, they would be much more accepting and "at ease" with someone who was LESS passable, that they could immediately spot as a "lady-who-was-born-a-male," and they'd generally be very warm and sympathetic because then they know what they are dealing with.
But with me, because I pass very well, they think I'm female but can't seem to put their finger on why I'm different, they just sense something different in my face, my body, my voice... Because of this feeling of suspicion or unease that I sometimes get from younger women in my presence, I often seek out friendships with females who are older. They've been around the block and are often much more gracious, tolerant of differences, and less hyper-aware than younger women.

Zoey.

The reason the other girls are looking at you is the same reason young girls look at all other young girls. (For that matter, the same reason, young boys look at other boys, especially their genitals). They are comparing.

They are as self conscious as you are. That much is human nature.

But, you have a problem that most of them probably don't have, that you had to work hard to get were you are, so you are just a wee bit more self conscious that  than them.

How can I be so certain? Quite simple. The points you cited. No matter how much we might associate each and all of them with males, for example, I can tell you now, I've seen each of these in gfemales. I met balding girls, girls with enormous chins, girls with deep voices, girls with muscles and wide shoulders. Most people of my age have. And you will too, once you grow past the completely normal stage of being so self conscious.

As for skin, a few months on HRT will see to that. That is completely chemical and skin is changed more often than you might think.

If you have something on your mind, you may as well say it. If you have a stuffed bra, for example, inside, you will be wondering if anyone notices. No matter how hard you try, it will be an issue. That is human nature.

Most gfemales, stop seriously thinking about their breasts after a few years. That's a few years, not on and off, not a few days, or months, but years.

The point is, FtMs and MtFs have a lot to deal with. But you'll never get through it, you will be continually unhappy and almost certainly end up paranoid, if you spend your time thinking about passing instead of what every gfemale does and thinks about sex.

Female sex where the question is, Will you take me?, not, Can I get away with taking you?. (Which is what males do). And forget the modern girl nonsense. Every girl wants to be taken, gently.

Do you get the idea?

It's all attitude. You look fine.
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Brooke777

Quote from: TessaM on November 03, 2012, 08:21:31 PM
Zoey, i think your tripping too hard. I have a good hairline, and ill always argue that I am in fact a girl, physically as well. Being female is all in my head. im sure a lot of people would agree with me here.

I agree with you. Though, I don't have the good hairline. I am female.
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